[quote]LoRez wrote:
He’s not exactly the brightest crayon…[/quote]
No, but just because he’s like his parents (Do you see what I did thur?) doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be given good advice.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Right now. And it’ll be lower again eventually too. [/quote]
Right now? It started in 2008. It’s been 6 years. You generally plan and make sacrifices when it comes to purchasing a house. 6 years is more than a lull, it’s life changing. That house you can’t really afford puts you back for other stuff you need to pay too. Less to pay off student loan, financial burden of children, etc.
So is sleeping on the street, but I think your point here is a straw-man. What happened to the American Dream of white picket fence, etc? “Gotta settle for couch surfing or you’re a whiny bitch”. Not buying it.
[quote]LoRez wrote: And most of the guys I’ve known from India working in the US for ridiculously low wages in H1B visas usually end up with 6-8 people in a 2 bedroom apartment, if not more. Is it in violation of their lease? Most of the time, yeah. Do they do it anyway? Of course.
There’s pretty much always options. Most of those limits are self-imposed.[/quote]
As I wrote above.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
This is true. My tuition doubled between my sophomore and junior years. The guy in the financial aid office didn’t believe me until I showed him the numbers. He was also trying to convince me that it’s my parent’s “duty” to pay for my college. I don’t know where they find these people.
But secondly, I’m not understanding why people are still dead-set on this traditional route of “go to college, get a job”. It doesn’t work like that, it hasn’t for a long time, and even despite overwhelming evidence from their friends and classmates who’ve graduated and still can’t find jobs… they still do it.[/quote]
The explanation is simple: All the generations that came before the last 2 lived in a world where you were paid an honest wage for honest work, you didn’t need a degree to have a good job (let alone A job); university degrees were something that were fairly rare and so commanded a certain prestige and guaranteed a career, universities were not cash grabs that raped students; etc. What this did is create parents that instructed a generation or two to get university degrees because “it will open doors and you’ll make tons of money, guaranteed job, etc”. The only way that happens when you hit 17/18/19, in today’s world, is if you take out a government or student loan, or have parents willing to pay (rarely the case ime), work a few jobs, and extend your time spent in university by a few years. Then when you finally do graduate, you’re much older (min 22) and in debt.
I was promised heaven and earth if I went in to engineering. Boy, that was a brutal wake up call. When guys that spent years in construction and landscaping, with 4.1 GPAs (out of 4.2) in civil engineering and are very likeable can’t find jobs, you know something is wrong. My generation is getting burned by universities, and parents and grandparents, and it will cause us (when it’s our turn to become parents) to tell our kids not to bother with university, and the pendulum is going to swing back and forth till some sort of equilibrium is established in a few generations, imo.
In life you tend to learn from parents and mentors (teachers and the like). When they all tell you the same thing, it’s generally difficult to go against “the grain”, so to speak. You realize these things after the fact, when it’s too late and you’re committed.
[quote] LoRez wrote:
If you talk to just about any employer, they’ll pretty much complain about the same thing… lots of people want a job, but they can’t find any good people.
Put those two things together, and the answer should be pretty clear.
(There are also hundreds if not thousands of different job markets, based on your speciality, location, tolerance for bullshit, pay requirements, etc. etc.)[/quote]
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. This was over the period of just over a year. I got a few interviews but only one job offer. I have lived abroad most of my life, was involved in all kinds of community stuff (president of engineering club that built dune buggies, volunteered for habitat for humanity, etc), had good work experience (relevant engineering+ military as officer, etc), likeable, etc. I would even look up what software the company used and teach it to myself, just so I could confidently put it on my resume when I applied for a certain position. Even if it took weeks or months to learn, I did it. Barely helped.
Story time: companies generally come to universities to give presentations and pitch their company so they get more candidates. Makes sense, right? A large Engineering Procurement and Construction Management (EPCM) company came to my university: during the HR person’s presentation, in an auditorium, we were over 60 students, easily. Some of the people I knew, and I’d say they were very good candidates. The HR lady told us that across Canada there would only be about 6 positions made available this year. She said it was the most in a long time, generally 3 positions became available every year for new hires. This is a multi-billion dollar company, not a mom and pop shop. They’re involved in oil, etc. These available positions were for new hires that were not necessarily specialized in one kind of engineering (mechanical versus whatever). Remember this was my university, just one off the list of the many this HR lady was visiting. This doesn’t include any people applying that had graduated it’s been a year or two. I’ve come to find that a lot of people can do a good job, it’s just HR being retarded. There are candidates out there, they’re just ignored or HR is incompetent. Company I was hired by, in my region, hasn’t had a new hire in years.
Some ass clown might say get a job at McDonalds, which can be valid if there’s no other job I can get, but no one spends 5 years of their life and untold amounts of money to work at McDonalds. It’s like the retarded quip theists use when they don’t actually have an answer: “just have to have faith”.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I really really think you need to widen your perspective to include more than just the West, and more than just the 60s to now.[/quote]
Apples to apples. We’re talking about how this (western/NA) generation has it harder in terms of making it. When you enter adulthood laden with debt, it’s generally difficult to make it, regardless of what all the exceptions and made up feel good stories you’re told. I’m sure that people in Palestine have it rough, but it’s a pointless comparison to make and serves no purpose other than to be a strawman.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But at the same time, the people who are going to make it figure out how to make it, and a bunch of other people complain how it’s unfair. That’s been going on for a few millenia. Just as the older crowd has always been there saying some variant of “grow/man the fuck up”.[/quote]
We both know it’s not that simple.