How to Deal with Stupid Parents

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
The people that develop and promote these stories are parents.[/quote]

Who generally, admittedly, don’t do research. As you wrote earlier, they just go by what they knew in their younger years… Which probably don’t apply to now.

That being said…

[quote]LoRez wrote:
You really can’t blame anyone but yourself for buying into a storyline that isn’t (and really never was) based in reality. You could have known better, but you didn’t do the work to find out (“lazy”), and you expected things to turn out better than reality would dictate (“entitled”).[/quote]

Wow. Just. Wow.[/quote]
LoRez has teeth.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
The people that develop and promote these stories are parents.[/quote]

Who generally, admittedly, don’t do research. As you wrote earlier, they just go by what they knew in their younger years… Which probably don’t apply to now.

That being said…

[quote]LoRez wrote:
You really can’t blame anyone but yourself for buying into a storyline that isn’t (and really never was) based in reality. You could have known better, but you didn’t do the work to find out (“lazy”), and you expected things to turn out better than reality would dictate (“entitled”).[/quote]

Wow. Just. Wow.[/quote]

Agreed. Giving you life, food, shelter and, hopefully, if you’re lucky, a higher education until you come of age should be considered a fulfillment of their duties. Whatever advice they give you will be to the best of their knowledge. It doesn’t absolve you of your responsibility to seek out your own knowledge on what would be best for you in your life and current economic climate.

If i had listened to my parents i would be a factory worker or at best a lowly paid government worker if i was lucky. And when i say “listened”, this means my father would have kicked the living shit out of me if i disobeyed.

I only finally told them i went into private enterprise after i had run it for nearly 5 years while i was overseas, and i only had the balls to break the news because i bought them A NEW FUCKING HOUSE in their hometown. I still got a severe tongue lashing from my father.

Granted, our cultures are very different as you can see. But what i’m saying is, the onus is on you to create a life for yourself and if shit gets tough, don’t go finding something to blame, especially not your parents if they have fulfilled their basic duties.

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
No, I wasn’t. knee jerk responses like AngryChicken’s are stupid. You don’t know the kid’s situation, and moving out and “getting a job” at 18 might have worked 40 years ago, it’s not as easy now…

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Tell us why.
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I was also curious about that. It’s certainly different now, but I can’t figure out why it’s any easier or harder.
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It isn’t. That’s just an excuse the under 30 crowd likes to use.

My grand father’s generation lied so they could fight in the Pacific. My generation can’t be bothered to find a job because (insert excuse here).

It’s fucking sad really.[/quote]

I agree. My son has been steadily working since he was 16 (20 now) and now has two jobs while going to college. Same as me 25 years ago. I see no difference in opportunity. Difference in work, that I do see. I made a lot of money waiting tables, bar tending and running restaurants. Today the money seems less in those areas. My son’s passion is photography and editing. So he started working for wedding photographers as a gopher, offered his movie making and editing skills to small businesses and helped them with marketing themselves on their websites. Not 9-5, I admit, but he’s pulling in 1-2 grand a month while going to college full time. Not too shabby.

He eats whatever the fuck he wants :)[/quote]
I agree that the job climate has changed.

Sounds like you raised a couple of good kids!

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
No, I wasn’t. knee jerk responses like AngryChicken’s are stupid. You don’t know the kid’s situation, and moving out and “getting a job” at 18 might have worked 40 years ago, it’s not as easy now…

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Tell us why.
[/quote]
I was also curious about that. It’s certainly different now, but I can’t figure out why it’s any easier or harder.
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It isn’t. That’s just an excuse the under 30 crowd likes to use.

My grand father’s generation lied so they could fight in the Pacific. My generation can’t be bothered to find a job because (insert excuse here).

It’s fucking sad really.[/quote]

Gen Y summed up nicely:

And I might be a lot of things, LB, but stupid isn’t one of them. It’s NEVER been “easy” to get a “good” job the “honest way” (as in, someone didn’t make a phone call and GET you in the door). But it’s fairly simple. Not EASY, but SIMPLE. Here’s how:

Step one: Knock on door and ask for a job.
Step two: REPEAT UNTIL YOU FIND JOB

It helps having a skill. For example, I am a Journeyman Electrician. I did a five year apprenticeship to get that classification. But in 2004, I decided to try something different and got into the mortgage business. I was successful. But when the Gov’t decided that I wasn’t qualified to do mortgage anymore I had to stop. In the middle of the recession. What did I do? I bartended, did side jobs, moved to Louisiana and lived in a shack in the middle of a swamp and found work in the oil field.

I later leveraged that experience to get back into electrical work back home in Virginia. I now manage the critical power for one of the largest data centers on the east coast… At no point did I make less than 100K per year. This year I’m on track to make 300K… And I’m an ex felon without a HS diploma. You think it’s “EASY” for me to find a job?

In the immortal words of Sean Connery, “Losers always whine about their best, WINNERS go home and fuck the prom queen”.

The difference between a winner and a loser comes down to one thing: PERSISTENCE. That’s IT. So if you don’t have the testicular fortitude to man the fuck up and do what you have to do to be SUCCESSFUL in your short little life, I have no fucking sympathy for you.

“times are tough” BULLSHIT
“education cost more” BULLSHIT
“the dollar doesn’t go as far” BULLSHIT
“there aren’t enough jobs” BULLSHIT
“it was different back then” BULLSHIT

BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!!!

You can sit there and waddle in your pathetic excuses OR, you can lift your skirt, grab your balls and MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN…

And successful people have done this. In the 60’s, the 70’s, up through TODAY. But losers just sit around in their parent’s basement complaining about how it isn’t fair. But to those of us who have actually OVERCOME hard times, who have made money, lost money and made it back again, your pathetic whining is just annoying. It doesn’t mean anything because we KNOW BETTER.

You are not qualified to sit at the big boy table to even have this discussion.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
When you’re 18 your good for manual labor and not much more
Manual labor jobs were much more prevelant before the steel belt turned into the rust belt and most US labor/manufacturing jobs went outside of the US.
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The construction industry has been booming for the last 30 years in spite of a lull after the 2008 recession.

There are PLENTY of manual labor jobs available.

And yes, I’m in the construction business. I daresay I know what I’m talking about.[/quote]

That’s a point I forgot to bring up. Old cunts not willing to retire or pass the torch, screwing over the new guy looking to pay off his debt.[/quote]

Old cunt’s not willing to retire or pass the torch? Maybe if one of you “young cunts” was even 10% qualified to take over, we’d have the confidence to pass the torch. But your entitled asses don’t want to listen to someone who’s been doing for 20 years. You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL

Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.

And why SHOULD we retire early? If we are able to kick ass, make money, and be awesome, who are you to tell us to stop? Just because YOU want to pay off a debt that YOU incurred? Sorry, not my problem…

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Right now. And it’ll be lower again eventually too.[/quote]

Right now? It started in 2008. It’s been 6 years. You generally plan and make sacrifices when it comes to purchasing a house. 6 years is more than a lull, it’s life changing. That house you can’t really afford puts you back for other stuff you need to pay too. Less to pay off student loan, financial burden of children, etc. [/quote]

The housing market is depressed and interest rates are almost non-existent. It’s a buyers market.

When my parents bought their first house their interest rate was nearly 20% mine was 3.3%.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
LoRez:

Sure, but jumping at a kid (“entitled shit”) because he complained about his parents is a bit exaggerated. I know this is the internet but I expected more from a site like T-Nation.[/quote]
Your points aside… this is the OP in another thread:

[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Is that 1kg cooked rice?[/quote]
theres no difference betwenn cooked and uncooked,only changes in volume
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He’s not exactly the brightest crayon…
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You are the dumb one, the only difference from uncooked to cooked is that cooked absorbed water and changed in volume.Eg: 1 kg of uncooked is like 2.5 cooked depending on the heat/water used.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. [/quote]

Ya welcome to the club. Let me get this straight, you had to put in some effort to find a job, the horror. It wasn’t just handed to you? That’s awful.

The one thing I will say is that this (our) generation, in general, has been coddled and that’s not entirely our fault. So when reality hits it hits hard. We could of been better prepared.

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This was over the period of just over a year. I got a few interviews but only one job offer. I have lived abroad most of my life, was involved in all kinds of community stuff (president of engineering club that built dune buggies, volunteered for habitat for humanity, etc), had good work experience (relevant engineering+ military as officer, etc), likeable, etc. I would even look up what software the company used and teach it to myself, just so I could confidently put it on my resume when I applied for a certain position. Even if it took weeks or months to learn, I did it. Barely helped.[/quote]

Let me see, ah yes I do have my tiny violin on me…

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Story time: companies generally come to universities to give presentations and pitch their company so they get more candidates. Makes sense, right? A large Engineering Procurement and Construction Management (EPCM) company came to my university: during the HR person’s presentation, in an auditorium, we were over 60 students, easily. Some of the people I knew, and I’d say they were very good candidates. The HR lady told us that across Canada there would only be about 6 positions made available this year. She said it was the most in a long time, generally 3 positions became available every year for new hires. This is a multi-billion dollar company, not a mom and pop shop. They’re involved in oil, etc. These available positions were for new hires that were not necessarily specialized in one kind of engineering (mechanical versus whatever). Remember this was my university, just one off the list of the many this HR lady was visiting. This doesn’t include any people applying that had graduated it’s been a year or two. I’ve come to find that a lot of people can do a good job, it’s just HR being retarded. There are candidates out there, they’re just ignored or HR is incompetent. Company I was hired by, in my region, hasn’t had a new hire in years. [/quote]

Again, so what. This is one company. Did you get to see their P&L statements? You’ve no idea what state their business was/is in. Companies don’t just hire 100 fresh graduates every year. Microsoft doesn’t do that.

This right here is why you’re an entitled brat. Sometimes you’ve got to do what you’ve got to do until an opportunity presents itself. And no, getting automatic emails from CareerBuilder is not you searching desperately for a job.

Lol, if you think you’re the only person that didn’t walk out of college, in any generation, with their dream job.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
When you’re 18 your good for manual labor and not much more
Manual labor jobs were much more prevelant before the steel belt turned into the rust belt and most US labor/manufacturing jobs went outside of the US.
[/quote]

The construction industry has been booming for the last 30 years in spite of a lull after the 2008 recession.

There are PLENTY of manual labor jobs available.

And yes, I’m in the construction business. I daresay I know what I’m talking about.[/quote]

That’s a point I forgot to bring up. Old cunts not willing to retire or pass the torch, screwing over the new guy looking to pay off his debt.[/quote]

Old cunt’s not willing to retire or pass the torch? Maybe if one of you “young cunts” was even 10% qualified to take over, we’d have the confidence to pass the torch. But your entitled asses don’t want to listen to someone who’s been doing for 20 years. You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL

Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.

And why SHOULD we retire early? If we are able to kick ass, make money, and be awesome, who are you to tell us to stop? Just because YOU want to pay off a debt that YOU incurred? Sorry, not my problem…[/quote]

Ok. i can clearly see that you are extremlly insecure , you keep using the word “entitled” like an angry feminist.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
That’s a point I forgot to bring up. Old cunts not willing to retire or pass the torch, screwing over the new guy looking to pay off his debt.[/quote]
I mean, kinda… but come on man that’s pathetic. If there’s one thing TNation advocates it’s succeeding on your own merit. That’s always something that ties in nicely with lifting weights. It’s up to you to get it done; you can’t count on your competitors to fuck it up so that you can slip ahead.

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
The only way that happens when you hit 17/18/19, in today’s world, is if you take out a government or student loan, or have parents willing to pay (rarely the case ime), work a few jobs, and extend your time spent in university by a few years. Then when you finally do graduate, you’re much older (min 22) and in debt.[/quote]
You didn’t mention scholarships dawg.

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I find it amusing when people complain that there are no jobs, then when people point out that their are jobs, they are like well yeah, but I don’t want that one. That is literally the definition of being an entitled little shit. IF you don’t want to spend 5 years getting a degree then end up working at McDonalds, don’t get a degree in something highly competitive where you aren’t exceptional. And from the sounds of it, you aren’t quite the special snowflake you think you are. And as I have said numerous times, you didn’t have to get a degree. You could have just made something of yourself. The top 5 wage earners from my highschool class dont have 4 year degrees and only two have vocational degrees.

Lastly, to the “I expect more out of T-Nation” comment earlier, you really expect MEN who take pride in themselves to suffer a fool bitching and moaning about how hard it is out their for him and not call it what it is? Him being a whiney little cunt that needs to grow a pair and get over the sob story.

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[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:
When you’re 18 your good for manual labor and not much more
Manual labor jobs were much more prevelant before the steel belt turned into the rust belt and most US labor/manufacturing jobs went outside of the US.
[/quote]

The construction industry has been booming for the last 30 years in spite of a lull after the 2008 recession.

There are PLENTY of manual labor jobs available.

And yes, I’m in the construction business. I daresay I know what I’m talking about.[/quote]

That’s a point I forgot to bring up. Old cunts not willing to retire or pass the torch, screwing over the new guy looking to pay off his debt.[/quote]

Old cunt’s not willing to retire or pass the torch? Maybe if one of you “young cunts” was even 10% qualified to take over, we’d have the confidence to pass the torch. But your entitled asses don’t want to listen to someone who’s been doing for 20 years. You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL

Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.

And why SHOULD we retire early? If we are able to kick ass, make money, and be awesome, who are you to tell us to stop? Just because YOU want to pay off a debt that YOU incurred? Sorry, not my problem…[/quote]

Ok. i can clearly see that you are extremlly insecure , you keep using the word “entitled” like an angry feminist.[/quote]

Insecure? Boy, I literally have NOTHING that I am insecure about… NOTHING at all. My career and resume are long and distinguished - like my Johnson. And when does an angry feminist use the word “entitled” other than to demand shit be given to women?

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Lastly, to the “I expect more out of T-Nation” comment earlier, you really expect MEN who take pride in themselves to suffer a fool bitching and moaning about how hard it is out their for him and not call it what it is? Him being a whiney little cunt that needs to grow a pair and get over the sob story. [/quote]

X 100000000000000000000

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Man, SonOfWolf may go down as one of the best trolls of all time.

OP has caused a fight about generation gap and the job market.

Bravo to you, sir.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL

Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.

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yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?â?¦then what?

I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).

Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL

Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.

[/quote]

yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?â?¦then what?

I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).

Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.[/quote]

Unfortunately you are correct the paper does matter. That it actually means something is another story.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:
Agreed. Giving you life, food, shelter and, hopefully, if you’re lucky, a higher education until you come of age should be considered a fulfillment of their duties. [/quote]

I agree with most of this statement especially the part that I bolded. I would consider higher education beyond a parents requirement to their children (which it seems you agree with).

OP “has come of age” imo.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
That’s a point I forgot to bring up. Old cunts not willing to retire or pass the torch, screwing over the new guy looking to pay off his debt.[/quote]
I mean, kinda… but come on man that’s pathetic. If there’s one thing TNation advocates it’s succeeding on your own merit. That’s always something that ties in nicely with lifting weights. It’s up to you to get it done; you can’t count on your competitors to fuck it up so that you can slip ahead.[/quote]

If “old folks” can hang on/best young folks, they deserve the job more. Besides how many “old folks” are in entry level jobs? Probably not that many is my guess.