[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. [/quote]
Ya welcome to the club. Let me get this straight, you had to put in some effort to find a job, the horror. It wasn’t just handed to you? That’s awful.
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True shit. I’ve easily done over 1,000 and I don’t even have a degree yet.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I forgot how fun this forum is sometimes. Only wish I could have seen the initial posts real time because I would have been on this so fast![/quote]
Where the fuck have YOU been?! LOL Welcome back![/quote]
Totally late to the party dude! Truth is I forgot how to use the internetz. Lol. No, just been dealing with some pretty bad circumstances that would take a novel to write if you want the real answer.
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Well when you feel like writing the novel, I’m sure we’ll all look forward to reading it. But glad to see a member of the old guard back again. Cheers!
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THIS!
Glad to have you back RockScar!!
[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:
I would never call my parents stupid if they bought pasta(unless its not straght pasta), the problem is that they dont buy the food i need.How am i suppose to be a hardcore beast if i dont eat like one mate?What would you do if after a heavy ass set of dl you come home and see that your mother cooked a stupid plate of Borscht?How would you feel when i night you cant sleep cause sometimes keeps popping in your mind “What muscle my body is gonna eat today for fuel?I bet 10$ its the shoulders(i have weak shoulders maybe thats why)”.[/quote]
ok omg this one was really really funny lol
I have tried to read all the postings but…YAWN… its the same old shit.
but, i would like to interject that our OP is hurting here, and came to us with a legitimate problem, and all ya’all can do is bash him.
here’s some useful input, WolfieBoy…
train hard, eat as much as you can, and use progressive resistance with adequate rest periods. you’ll get large and wimmen will want your body.
the protein thing is close to a myth - trust me on this.
and - if you havent tried foam rolling, you should give it a shot - it’s effing black magic!!!
hang in there, at some point your stupid parents will die and then you can eat all the protiens that you want, whenever you want, hell… you can even run with scissors and slam the screen door whenever you want when they kick the bucket!
good times to be had, I assure you~
Edgy~
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. [/quote]
Ya welcome to the club. Let me get this straight, you had to put in some effort to find a job, the horror. It wasn’t just handed to you? That’s awful.
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True shit. I’ve easily done over 1,000 and I don’t even have a degree yet.[/quote]
I hear ya man.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. [/quote]
Ya welcome to the club. Let me get this straight, you had to put in some effort to find a job, the horror. It wasn’t just handed to you? That’s awful.
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True shit. I’ve easily done over 1,000 and I don’t even have a degree yet.[/quote]
1,000?!?! Jesus, did you write a cover letter for any of them? At what point do you ask yourself “what am I doing wrong”? Did you try calling any of these places? Finding a contact at the company? Or like AC suggested, SHOW UP AND ASK TO WORK THERE!
When I apply to 10-15 places and don’t get a response I revise my resume or look for another approach.
Recently I’ve applied to about 50-60 places and I have my 3rd interview coming up on Monday.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL
Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.
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yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?�¢?�¦then what?
I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).
Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.[/quote]
Unfortunately you are correct the paper does matter. That it actually means something is another story.
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One could say that’s just one company though. One could also ask what those people they turned down looked like aside from not being degree holders. Did they turn down people with over a decade of experience that have made quantifiable contributions to a former employer(s)? I would find that hard to believe if that were the case, and even then, that falls more on the competency of that company’s hiring department than anything else.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Look I’m not defending the Entitlement mentality, I know a lot of people my age (and now a little younger) have terrible perspectives. But a lot of you guys here are applying that to us younger posters here on TN.
Push, AC, usmccds243, do you guys know what it’s like to complete a Mechanical Engineering degree from an ABET accredited university (or similar science/engineering degree)? IF you had a clue, you would provide at least a small amount of respect for those of us that have.
I’m more than willing to listen to you guys with experience and years of hard work under your belt to hear about how you got to be successful, but for gods sake quit blowing things out of proportion with how you view ALL young bucks.
WE are not the ones that you are complaining about!! You are generalizing/stereotyping our generation, when we are not all like that. You are complaining about the 99%-ers who have their degree in ART HISTORY etc (which requires little/no effort) and demand a livable wage, THEY DID NOT PUT IN WORK, WE (engineers etc.) DID and are continuing to.
Agreed that you need to be a productive team member for a company to make considerable money, but a serious degree CAN (not always cause I know some people have an easy time with school) indicate that you are capable of “CONSISTENT HARD WORK OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME”
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I didn’t get that vibe, man. I think the market is so saturated with degree holders these days that you just have to get better at marketing yourself and putting forth more evidence that you will be a valuable employee, both of which I am getting better at.
Sweet! Hope you get an offer.
lol
LMAO Fucking hate ABET so much.
[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:
I never mentioned my real dl numbers, i only said a fake number to test your intelligence,you just failed the test,if you cant understand sarcasm it means you have low iq.I see this thread is full of insecure old man with a victim complex,while im just sitting here eating the delicious chicken and rice my mom made.[/quote]
[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:
Hey yankee college is free here,even better im getting payed to learn.You need to understand that your government is making from entitlement priviledge
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[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:
I would never call my parents stupid if they bought pasta(unless its not straght pasta), the problem is that they dont buy the food i need.How am i suppose to be a hardcore beast if i dont eat like one mate?What would you do if after a heavy ass set of dl you come home and see that your mother cooked a stupid plate of Borscht?How would you feel when i night you cant sleep cause sometimes keeps popping in your mind “What muscle my body is gonna eat today for fuel?I bet 10$ its the shoulders(i have weak shoulders maybe thats why)”.[/quote]
Shut the fuck up.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Yeah, that’s bullshit. Between the time I started applying for jobs and the time I graduated, I put in LITERALLY over 200 applications. [/quote]
Ya welcome to the club. Let me get this straight, you had to put in some effort to find a job, the horror. It wasn’t just handed to you? That’s awful.
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True shit. I’ve easily done over 1,000 and I don’t even have a degree yet.[/quote]
1,000?!?! Jesus, did you write a cover letter for any of them? At what point do you ask yourself “what am I doing wrong”? Did you try calling any of these places? Finding a contact at the company? Or like AC suggested, SHOW UP AND ASK TO WORK THERE!
When I apply to 10-15 places and don’t get a response I revise my resume or look for another approach.
Recently I’ve applied to about 50-60 places and I have my 3rd interview coming up on Monday.
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Nah lol. This is over the span of about three years. I just cast a big ass net since there are so many opportunities out there. That’s always been the way I approached it since my first rejection. Even when I have a job, I’m applying. Job application is a skill in and of itself.
I never said that I didn’t get interviews or job offers. Shit, I turned down some interviews just this very week. I’m even getting contacted by recruiters regularly. My resume is strong, and it will only get stronger. Same goes for my online presence. Keep in that mind that I don’t have my degree yet, and at my age (20), I can only have but so much experience.
My situation is such that I’m currently looking for a part-time position to support my finances while I’m completing my degree, building my businesses, and enjoying my time. I have very little interest in a full-time position right now, but if something that’s too good to pass up falls into my lap, I’m jumping on it. I have enough money to last me a while, so I can afford to be selective.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]SonOfWolf wrote:
im just sitting here eating the delicious chicken and rice my mom made.[/quote]
LOL[/quote]
Check out his new avi too, man. lol
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL
Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.
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yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?�¢?�¦then what?
I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).
Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.[/quote]
There are PLENTY of people without that piece of paper who do AS WELL, if not BETTER, than those with it. And if I cared to rebut your fallacious argument from the particular to general, I could find tons of examples of people WITH that piece of paper who are unemployed AND unemployable.
My POINT is that if you can provide value, you will be steadily employed. If you have the degree AND can provide value, good for you. But having the piece of paper and NOT providing any value? UNEMPLOYED…
In many industries, it’s the PROVIDING VALUE that matters, not the degree.[/quote]
It’s the piece of paper that provides “value”. You think spending 5 years learning about engineering, accounting, law, etc means you’re useless? That’s laughable. That piece of paper means I put my time in learning this mind numbing shit, and means that I am liable for X work when I get employed.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Jan 1st, 1976 Minimum wage for non-farm workers was $2.20/hr
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm
1975 Gallon of gas $0.57
http://www.1970sflashback.com/1975/economy.asp
thats 4 gallons of gas an hour.
Currently minimum wage gets you about 2.5 gallons of gas an hr
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And the car I was driving in 1976 got 8 mpg. Yours probably gets 30.[/quote]
I dunno Push, I only just got a car that was made after 1976 (well '86).
8 mpg sounds about right, although I was too happy that it started and ran to fuss too much about tracking my mileage.
Got it for one payment of $0, so that was alright. Required a healthy self esteem to drive it around, but I was good with it.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL
Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.
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yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?�?�¢?�?�¦then what?
I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).
Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.[/quote]
There are PLENTY of people without that piece of paper who do AS WELL, if not BETTER, than those with it. And if I cared to rebut your fallacious argument from the particular to general, I could find tons of examples of people WITH that piece of paper who are unemployed AND unemployable.
My POINT is that if you can provide value, you will be steadily employed. If you have the degree AND can provide value, good for you. But having the piece of paper and NOT providing any value? UNEMPLOYED…
In many industries, it’s the PROVIDING VALUE that matters, not the degree.[/quote]
It’s the piece of paper that provides “value”. You think spending 5 years learning about engineering, accounting, law, etc means you’re useless? That’s laughable. That piece of paper means I put my time in learning this mind numbing shit, and means that I am liable for X work when I get employed.
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Sorry LB, the paper itself does not provide value. That’s always on the person and how he performs day in day out. Some jobs require that paper to get in the door, but that’s just where you find your opportunity to provide that value and it’s also often where you really begin to learn how to do your job.
Having a degree doesn’t mean you’re useless, that is laughable. It also doesn’t mean you’re not useless. Have you honestly never met anyone with a degree who was lazy, ineffective or just plain stupid when it came to practical matters? Really? Conversely have you never known a person with a grade 10 education who just plain knows how to get shit done?
I have put 10 years into my profession. My training has been 100% on the job, old school apprenticeship-style training. I am liable for the work that I do and I am one of the top guys in my industry. I have known guys who have gone the school route for the same job I’m doing. Are they worth more than I am? Sure they are, if they can do more work than I can per unit of time or if they can do it better, but I have not found that to be the case, neither have my clients, employer etc.
I’m not crapping on your degree, but it’s not the be all end all. It’s you, the individual, who brings the value.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
I have tried to read all the postings but…YAWN… its the same old shit.
but, i would like to interject that our OP is hurting here, and came to us with a legitimate problem, and all ya’all can do is bash him.
here’s some useful input, WolfieBoy…
train hard, eat as much as you can, and use progressive resistance with adequate rest periods. you’ll get large and wimmen will want your body.
the protein thing is close to a myth - trust me on this.
and - if you havent tried foam rolling, you should give it a shot - it’s effing black magic!!!
hang in there, at some point your stupid parents will die and then you can eat all the protiens that you want, whenever you want, hell… you can even run with scissors and slam the screen door whenever you want when they kick the bucket!
good times to be had, I assure you~
Edgy~[/quote]
Best post.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
Sorry LB, the paper itself does not provide value. That’s always on the person and how he performs day in day out. Some jobs require that paper to get in the door, but that’s just where you find your opportunity to provide that value and it’s also often where you really begin to learn how to do your job.
Having a degree doesn’t mean you’re useless, that is laughable. It also doesn’t mean you’re not useless. Have you honestly never met anyone with a degree who was lazy, ineffective or just plain stupid when it came to practical matters? Really? Conversely have you never known a person with a grade 10 education who just plain knows how to get shit done?
I have put 10 years into my profession. My training has been 100% on the job, old school apprenticeship-style training. I am liable for the work that I do and I am one of the top guys in my industry. I have known guys who have gone the school route for the same job I’m doing. Are they worth more than I am? Sure they are, if they can do more work than I can per unit of time or if they can do it better, but I have not found that to be the case, neither have my clients, employer etc.
I’m not crapping on your degree, but it’s not the be all end all. It’s you, the individual, who brings the value.[/quote]
That’s not any different than a guy learning on the job for 10 years and scamming people with having poor worksmanship. The paper is not useless because it signifies you’ve learned the necessary information up to standard with what is considered necessary to be able to perform the duties and functions of your designated profession. The paper is PROOF that you are up to par as far as knowledge goes.
People saying “well, it’s more about the person” are missing the point. The piece of paper is on the job training. The piece of paper is knowledge of how to perform the job. Blanket statements of “haven’t you ever met lazy cuntface X in Feminism 101” are pointless.
When I get hired to oversee projects, I am being hired because of my knowledge and expertise in the subject. Doesn’t matter how star spangled awesome you are, if you aren’t an engineer, you will not be placed in an engineering position. If I am a lazy fuck, that’s on me, and my reputation will ensure I don’t get another job. That is the same for any job whether you have a degree or not. Politicians are the exception.
That “piece of paper” certainly has value, but it is 100% not “on the job training.” It’s pretty much the farthest thing from on the job training.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
You think just because you have pretty piece of paper that you paid 50K for, that MEANS SOMETHING? LOL
Unless you can PERFORM and PROVIDE REAL VALUE, you are worthless. No matter how much that pretty piece of paper cost you.
[/quote]
yea? What if you have the piece of paper AND provide real value?�?�¢?�?�¦then what?
I know that a large construction equipment company in MN DUMPED EVERYONE who didn’t have that piece of paper (after talking to someone who works there).
Go tell this people who got laid off that the piece of paper does’t matter.[/quote]
There are PLENTY of people without that piece of paper who do AS WELL, if not BETTER, than those with it. And if I cared to rebut your fallacious argument from the particular to general, I could find tons of examples of people WITH that piece of paper who are unemployed AND unemployable.
My POINT is that if you can provide value, you will be steadily employed. If you have the degree AND can provide value, good for you. But having the piece of paper and NOT providing any value? UNEMPLOYED…
In many industries, it’s the PROVIDING VALUE that matters, not the degree.[/quote]
It’s the piece of paper that provides “value”. You think spending 5 years learning about engineering, accounting, law, etc means you’re useless? That’s laughable. That piece of paper means I put my time in learning this mind numbing shit, and means that I am liable for X work when I get employed.
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You obviously don’t understand what “value” is. I spend a significant amount of my time, energy and brain power at my job several times a week explaining to “engineers” with degrees why their stupid, hair brained ideas will not work in real life, so spare me. An engineering degree is A START. I regularly tear to shreds the ideas of those 22 year old engineers with tattoos and a nose ring who think they know how to engineer a critical power design better than me and my nearly twenty years of EXPERIENCE (and five year apprenticeship, and a shit ton of continuing industrial power education, complimented by my own research). Some of these stupid mutherfuckers with “that piece of paper” cant even describe the difference between a centralized and distributive bypass setup on a UPS.
Look, I’m sure you’re smart. I’m sure that you will have a fine engineering career and god bless you - you’ve earned it. But make no mistake: when you come out of school and enter the workforce, you are a FUCKING TADPOLE. That’s it. You don’t “know” SHIT about how REAL construction projects work… Sure you’ve studied the theory, can do the math, know the liability of certain design factors, etc… Blah, blah, blah. That doesn’t tell you how to act in the weekly job meeting. That doesn’t tell you when to speak up or shut up (even when you know you’re right). That doesn’t get you off the hook for the change order you are liable for because you missed that extra conduit on the drawings.
And don’t get it twisted, when you are hired, you won’t be liable for SHIT! LOL Your boss, or your boss’s boss will be the one stamping the approved set of drawings, not you. If you’re lucky you’ll catch 80% of the mistakes. Your boss will catch the next 10% and his boss will catch the next 5%. Yours truly will find the final 5% after you’ve approved the drawings and BEFORE the construction begins and will turn a 10 and 5 profit job into a 10 and 25 profit job. And THAT’S why I make between 250K and 300K a year WITHOUT A DEGREE. Because I translate engineering mistakes into MONEY FOR MY COMPANY. So forgive me if I’m not so terribly impressed with that piece of paper… I’m just an ex felon without a HS diploma and I fix engineering mistakes for a fucking living.