-Could an incident like this happen in a free country, like the USA?
Sickening. I pray that the government of a free society would AT LEAST confiscate the whale shark and do a thorough investigation on the incident and find SOMETHING for which it could charge the offender. THE GOVERNMENT OF A FREE SOCIETY WOULD CERTAINLY NOT ALLOW THE MAN TO SELL THE WHALE SHARK FOR A PROFIT, I HOPE.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
-Could an incident like this happen in a free country, like the USA?
Sickening. I pray that the government of a free society would AT LEAST confiscate the whale and do a thorough investigation on the incident and find SOMETHING for which it could charge the offender. THE GOVERNMENT OF A FREE SOCIETY WOULD CERTAINLY NOT ALLOW THE MAN TO SELL THE WHALE FOR A PROFIT, I HOPE.[/quote]
Yeah, here they just keep whales and other sea life in small tanks making them perform daily and live miserable lives.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Yeah, here they just keep whales and other sea life in small tanks making them perform daily and live miserable lives.[/quote]
Social contract theory, bro. The whales exchange a small amount of freedom for protection from Chinamen.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Yeah, here they just keep whales and other sea life in small tanks making them perform daily and live miserable lives.[/quote]
Social contract theory, bro. The whales exchange a small amount of freedom for protection from Chinamen.[/quote]
The whale never had a “right” to freedom nor anything else in most senses of the word. However one could argue that it has a right in the form of an immunity in the sense that man has a duty to not be maliciously cruel to it.
And in relation to liberty, you’re attempting to reduce it to an all or nothing proposition and as it’s impossible to ever have all you’re behaving like a baby that has a tantrum because he can’t have all the cookies.
Lol. This forum has been entertaining lately.
OP, this is probably what happened:
He got away.
Even if he somehow didn’t, you can bet the goverment officials tasked to dispose of the carcass finally sold it for a profit themselves.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The whale never had a “right” to freedom nor anything else in most senses of the word. However one could argue that it has a right in the form of an immunity in the sense that man has a duty to not be maliciously cruel to it.
And in relation to liberty, you’re attempting to reduce it to an all or nothing proposition and as it’s impossible to ever have all you’re behaving like a baby that has a tantrum because he can’t have all the cookies.[/quote]
I’m not sure who you’re arguing with here, as nothing you said seems to have anything to do with either of my previous posts in this thread.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Lol. This forum has been entertaining lately.
OP, this is probably what happened:
He got away.
Even if he somehow didn’t, you can bet the goverment officials tasked to dispose of the carcass finally sold it for a profit themselves.[/quote]
Who got away?
Did you read the story?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Lol. This forum has been entertaining lately.
OP, this is probably what happened:
He got away.
Even if he somehow didn’t, you can bet the goverment officials tasked to dispose of the carcass finally sold it for a profit themselves.[/quote]
Who got away?
Did you read the story?[/quote]
The chinaman got away.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
The whale never had a “right” to freedom nor anything else in most senses of the word. However one could argue that it has a right in the form of an immunity in the sense that man has a duty to not be maliciously cruel to it.
And in relation to liberty, you’re attempting to reduce it to an all or nothing proposition and as it’s impossible to ever have all you’re behaving like a baby that has a tantrum because he can’t have all the cookies.[/quote]
I’m not sure who you’re arguing with here, as nothing you said seems to have anything to do with either of my previous posts in this thread.[/quote]
You said the whales exchange some of their freedom for security against Chinaman in a social contract agreement.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You said the whales exchange some of their freedom for security against Chinaman in a social contract agreement.[/quote]
Not all whales, just the ones in captivity.
The question is, why did China’s government not punish the fisherman? He had entered into a social contract with the Chinese government, and he violated the terms of the social contract.
There was the “six degrees of separation”.
And now, there is the libertarian version : the “2 degrees of separation”.
2 being the maximum number of steps they need to see a relationship between a totally random thing and their right-to-not-be-taxed.
Whale > unvoluntary member of a social contract > i should not be taxed
[quote]dt79 wrote:
The chinaman got away.[/quote]
Unless I misunderstood, he checked with an official and was allowed to sell the shark. Maybe I misunderstood your first post, and you just meant that the government elected not to punish him-like a police officer deciding to not issue a citation to a speeding driver.
[quote]kamui wrote:
There was the “six degrees of separation”.
And now, there is the libertarian version : the “2 degrees of separation”.
2 being the maximum number of steps they need to see a relationship between a totally random thing and their right-to-not-be-taxed.
Whale > unvoluntary member of a social contract > i should not be taxed
[/quote]
What?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You said the whales exchange some of their freedom for security against Chinaman in a social contract agreement.[/quote]
Not all whales, just the ones in captivity.
The question is, why did China’s government not punish the fisherman? He had entered into a social contract with the Chinese government, and he violated the terms of the social contract.[/quote]
Often prosecution is not pursued if it is deemed “not in the public interest.” Prosecutors often decide they’re not going to proceed with a prosecution - it’s their discretion. I don’t see what you’re getting at. Is this about crimes against whales? The cronyism of the Chinese authorities?
FYI to all you dum basses, the dum bass who wrote the article and the dum bass chinaman. A whale Shark is a shark not a whale and it’s a filter feeder. This means the china man stuffed those fish in the sharks mouth to make the claim it was eating his fish.
This is business as usual in China.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Often prosecution is not pursued if it is deemed “not in the public interest.” Prosecutors often decide they’re not going to proceed with a prosecution - it’s their discretion. I don’t see what you’re getting at. Is this about crimes against whales? The cronyism of the Chinese authorities?
[/quote]
I understand that American prosecutors occasionally cut someone a break and elect not to prosecute, but this is CHINA. One of the world’s most oppressive governments, right? Yet, the Chinese government not only decided not to prosecute the fisherman, but allowed him to parade around evidence of his crime AND profit from its sale. I just can’t imagine the government of a free country, like the USA, allowing a fisherman to do that.
[quote]on edge wrote:
FYI to all you dum basses, the dum bass who wrote the article and the dum bass chinaman. A whale Shark is a shark not a whale and it’s a filter feeder. This means the china man stuffed those fish in the sharks mouth to make the claim it was eating his fish.
This is business as usual in China.[/quote]
I believe I pointed out that this was a whale shark. Are you saying that Chinese law allows the man to harvest the whale shark if it is eating fish he is trying to catch? It’s amazing that the Chinese are so far behind that their officials in charge of such activities don’t have the knowledge of their subject matter that an average American posting on an internet message board does. 'Merica!
(For what it’s worth, I had the same thought when I saw the picture)
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Often prosecution is not pursued if it is deemed “not in the public interest.” Prosecutors often decide they’re not going to proceed with a prosecution - it’s their discretion. I don’t see what you’re getting at. Is this about crimes against whales? The cronyism of the Chinese authorities?
[/quote]
I understand that American prosecutors occasionally cut someone a break and elect not to prosecute, but this is CHINA. One of the world’s most oppressive governments, right? Yet, the Chinese government not only decided not to prosecute the fisherman, but allowed him to parade around evidence of his crime AND profit from its sale. I just can’t imagine the government of a free country, like the USA, allowing a fisherman to do that.[/quote]
I still don’t see where you’re going with this. China is bad? The whale is bad? The shark is bad? The US is bad? Who’s the bad guy? Tell me.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I still don’t see where you’re going with this. China is bad? The whale is bad? The shark is bad? The US is bad? Who’s the bad guy? Tell me.[/quote]
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. A few hours ago, I knew that USA=good, China=bad. I knew that the Chinese government was one of the most oppressive in the world, and I knew that the U.S. government is the most benevolent in the history of the universe. Then I read this article and saw these pictures. I realized that I can’t imagine something like this being allowed to happen in the USA, yet here is a story claiming that it happened in China. Mind=Blown
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I still don’t see where you’re going with this. China is bad? The whale is bad? The shark is bad? The US is bad? Who’s the bad guy? Tell me.[/quote]
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. A few hours ago, I knew that USA=good, China=bad. I knew that the Chinese government was one of the most oppressive in the world, and I knew that the U.S. government is the most benevolent in the history of the universe. Then I read this article and saw these pictures. I realized that I can’t imagine something like this being allowed to happen in the USA, yet here is a story claiming that it happened in China. Mind=Blown[/quote]
Yes that’s where I thought you might be going with this. The Communist regime in China is a freer society because the rule of law has broken down due to corruption and cronyism in the police force and the civil service at large. Sounds great. Where do I sign up?