How Real Violence Happens

LMAO!!!Bold…very bold.

[quote]rasturai wrote:

I also had a completely shaved head…say what you want, but there is intimidation factor with those type of haircuts…

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Can’t imagine why anybody would want to kick your ass…

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

and for every tough guy fighter, do a tour of Iraq with some real warriors. rampage jackson would be shating himself if he was in the middle of a firefight in Baghdad i wager.

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Ok, If your average high school dropout, or wanna be Rambo can do it what makes you think Rampage or anyone else can’t?

No. I think its just because most of these guys have to live with male pattern baldness and get hyper aggressive to make up for the fact that they don’t have beautiful man locks…

[quote]fightnews10 wrote:
heavythrower wrote:

and for every tough guy fighter, do a tour of Iraq with some real warriors. rampage jackson would be shating himself if he was in the middle of a firefight in Baghdad i wager.

Ok, If your average high school dropout, or wanna be Rambo can do it what makes you think Rampage or anyone else can’t? [/quote]

have you done it?

this “PIG” has…didn’t see you over there.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
fightnews10 wrote:
heavythrower wrote:

and for every tough guy fighter, do a tour of Iraq with some real warriors. rampage jackson would be shating himself if he was in the middle of a firefight in Baghdad i wager.

Ok, If your average high school dropout, or wanna be Rambo can do it what makes you think Rampage or anyone else can’t?

have you done it?

this “PIG” has…didn’t see you over there.[/quote]

Why would I want to go there? To sit in 125 degree heat risking my life for dirty Iraqis or to live out some gay Rambo fantasy. No offense but I wasn’t over there because I’m not a stupid moron. No offense…

What are you going to do cop? Tell on me? That’s your job right?

LOL. I know so many losers and total phuctards who have been Iraq. Unless you’re SF or something, it’s nothing special.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
LOL. I know so many losers and total phuctards who have been Iraq. Unless you’re SF or something, it’s nothing special.[/quote]

Knocking those that served regardless of their job isn’t cool. Selfless service for ones country in a time of war isn’t easy.

If it isn’t anything special then man up, sign a 5 year contract and do what your told when your told for those 5 years. Life is easy on this side of the world, it isn’t so easy when there are IED’s going off around you and snipers taking shots at you.

Nope never been to Iraq, just Kosovo and Bosnia. Can’t imagine how fucked up Iraq or Afghanistan is, I’m sure you can’t either.

[quote]snipeout wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
LOL. I know so many losers and total phuctards who have been Iraq. Unless you’re SF or something, it’s nothing special.

Knocking those that served regardless of their job isn’t cool. Selfless service for ones country in a time of war isn’t easy.

If it isn’t anything special then man up, sign a 5 year contract and do what your told when your told for those 5 years. Life is easy on this side of the world, it isn’t so easy when there are IED’s going off around you and snipers taking shots at you.

Nope never been to Iraq, just Kosovo and Bosnia. Can’t imagine how fucked up Iraq or Afghanistan is, I’m sure you can’t either.
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Yeah, agreed. Considering my father came back after his second tour and didn’t have all his screws tight for quite some time (had to take heavy medication and never talks about it…I don’t blame him), I don’t think it’s really as “cool” as you think it is to call people out who are out there fighting terrorists.

Anyway, on topic. Real violence is definitely not anything like in the movies. And that’s exactly how I fight. Granted, I haven’t fought in a long time (back in Bossier City, LA, I used to do underground martial arts) because I usually try my best these days to avoid it.

As other people have said, it may have to do with the fact that I’ve gotten waaay bigger (intimidation factor based off of body size), as I was once 150 lbs at 6 foot 2 inches, and now standing at 230 lbs (and still trying to reach 240).

I’ve also never really been the type to go out of my way to start shit, unless it got the point where I’m just tired of whatever and looking to end it.

The way I fight is the way anyone should fight. Stopping it before it gets out of hand. I’ve done exactly what it takes, and that definitely includes drilling someone in the face while he’s talking shit, unexpectedly, and quickly giving a few good shots after to insure he’s disoriented and leaving the situation as fast as possible. I’m not the one to take off my shirt and egg on a fight either.

The point is, just like so many other people have made on this thread: Don’t fuck around. Who knows what kind of psycho shit is floating around in that guy’s head who happens to be in your face? Do you really want to stick around to find out he has a gun or a knife?

And truthfully, I’ll go ahead and say until I’m 21 (concealed gun license) , I’ll always have a legal limit hunting knife on me or in my car, just in case things do get out of hand.

Because if they do, I’m not going to be the one who’s losing my life and getting stabbed/shot/trampled on over some fuckin’ moron who got pissy because I happened to look his way. Who would?

Dude…nobody fight mano a mano anymore, it’s all about stabbing and shooting, or getting 10 of your buddies to fuck someone up for you. It takes a lot to get me to fight, and believe me, I’ve wanted to.

Its never worth street fighting, when your punching someone in the face there isint much you can do about his buddy stabing you in the back.

I mean if you have a life you love why would you want to risk it fighting some asshole who doesnt give a shit about his crappy life.

Selfless? Most who enlist have no other future. The Army is their only way out.

I sure can. Given that I actually served and had many friends over there. I was just smart enough to get out before I could be made a play thing for Bush and Cheney.

Depressing as it may be (his opinion I mean,) I back CaliforniaLaw’s position on this one.

How you werent there

Yeah, I heard a line on family guy that was taken from the “Onion”
The bottom ten percent of our high school class is off to fight another battle.

It’s not valedictorians are off fighting the war.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
fighters sense fighters…[/quote]

True…

You can usually see who’s willing to go the distance.

Funny how you can pick each other out.

Good post man.

This one really gets me: “A 15-year-old youth… charged in death of a 25-year-old member of the New Jersey Army National Guard. Jaime Bermudez Jr…shot in the chest and stabbed in the back.”

According to the paper, the dude trained a lot, played football, and ate at buffets all the time so I’m guessing he was fairly jacked. That “people don’t mess with big guys” stuff is true - they don’t “mess,” they just get scared and pull the weapon because there’s no other way they can win.

Either way, the mentality to stab someone in the BACK is just pure cowardice, and shows you what kind of people are doing this shit.

This thinking goes directly against everything you are taught as a martial artist - that if you are going to die in a fight, then die facing the enemy, with honour, fighting until your last breath.

And this seems to be the biggest disconnect between most people that train martial arts and people you would actually fight on the street. I mean, I have never picked a fight in my LIFE, except maybe when I was a little kid. I’m sure MOST good, nice, friendly people just DON’T go starting streetfights and robbing people.

The ones that do are some of the most cowardly motherfuckers on the face of the earth… man I live in fucking CANADA where we are supposed to be friendly, and clippings from my local paper have things like “3 teens stab 90 year old woman to death at intersection,” “6 teens violently beat to death 15 year old girl to steal iPod.”

The type of people you are going to fight on the street are the ones that don’t have the balls - or… pussies? - to fight fair and one on one, these people are the ones that all of a sudden surround you 5 to 1 with a fucking blade to your neck and a gun just incase you fight back - if you’re LUCKY. If you’re not, then you’ll just minding your own business then out of nowhere you’re being stabbed in the back.

Even that constant awareness stuff isn’t enough. Do you look like an easy target? Are you in the wrong place at the wrong time? Thats pretty much the whole equation. Half that equation comes down to pure chance - unless you’re a recluse and never leave your house.

Anyways, very good food for thought. Pump some reality into Jr. Karate Kids everywhere.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
LOL. I know so many losers and total phuctards who have been Iraq. Unless you’re SF or something, it’s nothing special.[/quote]

Wow…quote of the year. golf clap

I can imagine you as a part of that percentage of “phuctards.”

Who are you to say “it’s nothing special?”

My purpose in this wasn’t to tell anyone that they shouldn’t train- of course they should. And I’m not saying it won’t help if one of us should be put in a bad spot.

However, what I was trying to do is show that most times it violence happens, and I mean really happens, it’s over before you know it started.

I wasn’t there for the kid who got his throat cut at the restaurant, but I guarantee that I know how it happened- the kid said something to the drunk, and the drunk probably just flicked his hand out. I bet that the kid didn’t even know he was cut until the blood started pouring out. It was probably a very fast, innocuous movement that didn’t seem very threatening, but it gashed the motherfuckers throat.

This is the same reason I take issue with the Okinawan martial arts I used to take. Their weapons class had people using bo, sais, nunchucks, etc. They said that it wasn’t for street defense, but to improve your karate.

Well what the fuck guys? Why the hell would I train with Okinawan farming tools that are not found in today’s society? The original Okinawans would have laughed at this idea. Why aren’t you teaching us to fight against, box cutters, shanks, beer bottles, pool cues, and bar stools? That’s the weapons around now.

It’s frustrating to me. I think it was Marc Macyoung had referred to shankings as a North American prison technique. So if that’s the technique that’s used now, why the fuck not learn how to defend against it? No, we should learn how to do some shit with rice grinders first…

But besides that, I wanted to show that (sorry CALaw) your “death shins of steel” or whatever aren’t going to matter when you don’t see the shit coming, and that’s often how it happens. I know for a fact I can handle myself in a one-on-one fight- I’ve known this since third grade. All the sparring and rolling and shit has made me confident ever still. However, what the fuck would I do if I was coming out a gym near my hometown and and two guys run a pincer move on me, one with brass knuckles and the other with a knife?

Not much.

So really it’s not to say that the training is worthless- it’s just to keep people real about what’s going down, and that it’s often much uglier than a lot of people imagine. Even the ones who live in the dojo.

[quote]Rob-jitsu wrote:
Good post man.

This one really gets me: “A 15-year-old youth… charged in death of a 25-year-old member of the New Jersey Army National Guard. Jaime Bermudez Jr…shot in the chest and stabbed in the back.”

According to the paper, the dude trained a lot, played football, and ate at buffets all the time so I’m guessing he was fairly jacked. That “people don’t mess with big guys” stuff is true - they don’t “mess,” they just get scared and pull the weapon because there’s no other way they can win.

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I agree. I thought that one might hit close to home because the guy was certainly no pussy.