How Often Do you Deload or Take Time Off?

[quote]plateau wrote:
I hate to use the word intensity as people often feel there is the implication that they are not training with this when people say it here…[/quote]

Ah, but you could not possibly be as intense as I am!

:wink:

I know what you mean. Funny thing is, if people misunderstand this then it can lead to plenty of people hitting a brick wall in progression.

I always remember reading an article about WHAT INTENSITY really is: that lead to some pretty slow progress because I took it so much to heart (the wrong way) and took far too many sets to failure (and they were 6 RM sets or lower, which is harder on the system).

If one started off really skinny like I did, it’s likely that one will be putting in MORE dedication (or should I say obsession? lol). I think it’s terrible to have the presumption that every beginner/intermediate isn’t pushing very hard. The whole irony of the situation is that a person who has bad/skinny genetics (poor recovery etc), and is misdirected will be the most desperate one to change, and thus, if they are told that their sessions need to be “brutal”, they’ll end up doing ridiculous amounts of volume and taking too many straight sets to failure (yes even “warm up” sets too).

Eager to not be weak anymore, and to make progression, they seek advice…and what do they get told?

“You’re not working hard enough! Quite your wining and lift harder!”

Sorry for the rant…just a bit of personal experience thrown in there :slight_smile:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]plateau wrote:
I hate to use the word intensity as people often feel there is the implication that they are not training with this when people say it here…[/quote]

Ah, but you could not possibly be as intense as I am!

:wink:

I know what you mean. Funny thing is, if people misunderstand this then it can lead to plenty of people hitting a brick wall in progression.

I always remember reading an article about WHAT INTENSITY really is: that lead to some pretty slow progress because I took it so much to heart (the wrong way) and took far too many sets to failure (and they were 6 RM sets or lower, which is harder on the system).

If one started off really skinny like I did, it’s likely that one will be putting in MORE dedication (or should I say obsession? lol). I think it’s terrible to have the presumption that every beginner/intermediate isn’t pushing very hard. The whole irony of the situation is that a person who has bad/skinny genetics (poor recovery etc), and is misdirected will be the most desperate one to change, and thus, if they are told that their sessions need to be “brutal”, they’ll end up doing ridiculous amounts of volume and taking too many straight sets to failure (yes even “warm up” sets too).

Eager to not be weak anymore, and to make progression, they seek advice…and what do they get told?

“You’re not working hard enough! Quite your wining and lift harder!”

Sorry for the rant…just a bit of personal experience thrown in there :)[/quote]

I agree here. One thing that I think many beginners do is up the intensity right when they are about to fail, squeezing out a couple more reps instead of focusing on upping the weight and keeping intensity from the very FIRST rep. Maybe most beginners get the impression that the last few reps are all that count?

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]plateau wrote:
I hate to use the word intensity as people often feel there is the implication that they are not training with this when people say it here…[/quote]

Ah, but you could not possibly be as intense as I am!

:wink:

I know what you mean. Funny thing is, if people misunderstand this then it can lead to plenty of people hitting a brick wall in progression.

I always remember reading an article about WHAT INTENSITY really is: that lead to some pretty slow progress because I took it so much to heart (the wrong way) and took far too many sets to failure (and they were 6 RM sets or lower, which is harder on the system).

If one started off really skinny like I did, it’s likely that one will be putting in MORE dedication (or should I say obsession? lol). I think it’s terrible to have the presumption that every beginner/intermediate isn’t pushing very hard. The whole irony of the situation is that a person who has bad/skinny genetics (poor recovery etc), and is misdirected will be the most desperate one to change, and thus, if they are told that their sessions need to be “brutal”, they’ll end up doing ridiculous amounts of volume and taking too many straight sets to failure (yes even “warm up” sets too).

Eager to not be weak anymore, and to make progression, they seek advice…and what do they get told?

“You’re not working hard enough! Quite your wining and lift harder!”

Sorry for the rant…just a bit of personal experience thrown in there :)[/quote]

I agree 100%. It’s such bullshit sometimes when people say “oh you’re not training hard enough”. It’s probably more often not smart enough. Honestly my training used to be way harder than it is now. Lots of super sets, shorter rests, more sets in general…I was asked on more than one occasion by a trainer if I was OK because I was about to throw up. Way less fun and I made less progress.

[quote]TD54 wrote:
I agree here. One thing that I think many beginners do is up the intensity right when they are about to fail, squeezing out a couple more reps instead of focusing on upping the weight and keeping intensity from the very FIRST rep. Maybe most beginners get the impression that the last few reps are all that count?
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There are several potential downfalls for beginners/intermediates.

Some may be doing too much volume in the areas that don’t matter as much and end up draining themselves (as you mentioned). Spending too much volume “warming up” a muscle instead of giving it just enough stimulation. You’ll see this type of thing happening in the gym where there’s a slim guy going from one station to another and simply pumping up the muscles. If instead, like you mentioned, they focussed their energies on increasing the loads every time, they would cut their workouts short and make more progress at the same time.

Then you’ll have those work up to a max load for reps, then trying to force more sets/reps out of it using the same load. A typical example of this is forced reps (something I believe was made popular in the late 80’s/early 90’s). I always remember a good meaning friend of mine telling my brother than he needed to get the most out of the last few reps of his set (despite the fact that he was already going to failure/near!). He had him doing forced reps EVERY time on top of his already intensive training routine. When he stagnated for weeks on end (he couldn’t progress in loads), I asked him “what’s so bad about simply adding weight to the bar every week?” He did this (stopped the sets at momentary failure or a rep short of it) and low and behold, he started making progress again. Note: This was while doing low-medium rep ranges. If doing high(er) rep ranges, it’s easier to recover from failure training.

Then you’ll have the guys that turn their routine into some sort of powerlifting / bodybuilding morph routine. Often when guys learn the benefits of putting their energies into load progression instead of filling their workouts with “fluff”/redundant exercises, they go too far in the other direction. They are the ones who will start preaching that you don’t need to do direct movements for certain bodyparts because the compound movements take care of them. These ones will go far too far in the little volume direction (to the point where yes, they may be getting stronger, but not much bigger). Typical programs are often touted as being for “hardgainers”. I remember reading one hardgainer book that recommended only training twice a week!

Another mistake bodybuilders can make (if they go down the “intensity is everything” route) is that they have to lower set/exercise volume that much due to the fact that while doing high intensity routines (as in, working nearer your 1RM), you cannot cope with as much volume/frequency. So, these ones once again, they do enough for strength, but not much for hypertrophy. What’s a worse situation is where these ones try to do enough volume for bodybuilding, and the same intensity for powerlifting. They end up “frazzled” in no time.

Moral of story? Sure, work up to a max load on big exercises, BUT…do enough reps with a moderate load too (for size). Focus on load progression, BUT also on enough volume.

If work capacity and force seems to be diminishing then asses your diet first. If you are gaining weight every month, THEN check other things like length of gaining stretch (if this is long, like 12+ weeks, then maybe some form of deload would be good)…the check training program frequency/volume (lower if required/within reason).