How Much is Too Much?

This isn’t to knock anyone, it’s out of serious concern for someone close to me and my entire family. They spend a great deal of time browsing this site and its forums, so I thought it would be appropriate to ask for your advice. Maybe some of you have had or know someone who has had some of the same issues, and if not, I’m sure you know the dangers of over-training. I’m not blaming them, or you, or society, or anyone. I could really just use some constructive help here.

This person is my immediate family, and I don’t know who the hell they are anymore. This person is also not an athlete and doesn’t compete in any sports, professional or otherwise.

This person was slightly overweight as a child. Their parents didn’t tell them a thing about carbs or calories and their mother compulsively over-fed them. They were picked on at home and at school for their weight. As they reached their later teens, they began to take their health, diet, workout routines and the like very seriously, practically treating them as religious sacraments. Don’t get me wrong, I have the utmost respect for that. But it’s no longer a choice for them. I can’t respect this person’s decision to take it to a level that is obviously destroying their mind, body, soul, our family and everything else.

They intentionally have a lower caloric and nutritional intake than is required for the intensity of their routines. Exercise is no longer a choice for this person, they can’t not work out, it’s compulsory. They’re worried about losing weight through diet and exercise, not maintaining a healthy weight, even though they’re 150 something pounds on a 200 pound frame and appear physically emaciated, not lean. They become anxious, depressive, enraged, and feel guilty if they can’t get the high exercise and starvation gives them. Their self worth is entirely defined by this. This high isn’t even a high anymore, there’s no joy in it for them, it’s just to keep them from feeling low. It’s fun for them anymore, it’s just a coping mechanism.

They exercise on a daily basis for several hours a day and won’t skip a day of exercise or dieting, not even to recover, not even if sick, tired, or injured. If they do skip a day, they try make up for it the next by doing twice as much. Their regiment is usually the same every day, and all cross training they had done in the past has all but disappeared. They feel worthless and weak for allowing any deviation. Afterwards, they are completely lethargic and do nothing for the rest of the day outside of eating, reading about food and exercise, and playing video games. Every facet of their life is scheduled around and controlled directly by eating and working out. This person is increasingly alone and lonely and has cut off all social ties (and is currently trying to cut off all family ties as well, particularly by renouncing any relation to us, claiming we’re dead to them) in favor of this. Exercise isn’t even social. They go to the gym in the wee hours of the morning to avoid running into anyone or having their routine interrupted. They no longer have a life outside of this, it is their priority above all else. Above family, above friends, above work, above sex, above EVERYTHING. It’s textbook addictive behavior and it’s far beyond detrimental to their physical, mental, and emotional health at this point.

This person knowingly starves themselves. Their activity level increases while their nutritional intake decreases, and then they wonder why they’re exercise is bringing them to the point of failure on a daily basis. They drink tremendous amounts of coffee every morning because they know they don’t have the energy to get through their routine, let alone the rest of the day. Their physical performance is rapidly deteriorating as a result, and that’s been the cause of a lot of tension and violent release of tension lately. They compulsively weigh and measure everything they eat, down to a tenth or a hundredth of a gram and keep meticulous records of everything they consume and do. They fast from mid afternoon until early morning on a daily basis and irregularly for days at a time, usually after loss of control and a subsequent binge. They carefully monitor how much water they drink throughout the day because they’re afraid of appearing bloated. The other day, they ‘made the mistake’ of drinking a soda with sugar in it, something they haven’t done in years. After realizing it, they then tried to force themselves to throw it up. When they couldn’t, they spiraled into a fit of rage, crying while sitting on the punching bag (on the ground) and beating it relentlessly until their hands were too raw and bloody to keep going. This person doesn’t even eat fruit anymore because they’re terrified of what natural sugars will do them. They’ve punched a half dozen holes in our walls, dented vehicles, and destroyed personal property over the past few months for such things.

So I guess my question is, what the hell can I do to help? They realize they have a problem, but they incapable of seeing it objectively. They sought professional help but are no longer willing. They say they won’t talk to anyone that they don’t know intimately about it. The problem is they won’t talk to those people much about it either. What can I do to show them that their worth isn’t solely defined by how much and what they eat and how much and how hard they exercise? What do they need in order to realize that they’re ultra healthy lifestyle has been twisted and contorted into something extremely unhealthy, downright self-destructive? My family and I are being verbally and physically battered by this person because their exercise is no longer an effective vent for their negativity. I cannot and will not watch them do this to themselves any longer, and I cannot and will not subject myself or my family to the personal hell this person is trying to create in our home. Help me help them and my family both, please. Maybe they’ll respect what you have to say. They certainly don’t have any respect for us anymore and I can’t help but wonder if they even respect themselves.

You’re going to get a lot of incredibly stupid posts in here, FYI, that are joke-based or typical “internet lulz.”

I’ll keep it brief.

At a certain point, when a person refuses to continue professional help/treatment and starts distancing themselves, you just need to be there if they ever need support. As in… come ASKING for support.

The more you push, the more they’re going to push back - and with a grudge.

Seriously, the key word here is “autonomy.”

At the end of the day, there’s only so many end results. They will likely either continue down this path, become incredibly sick / die / what have you, or wise up and either seek help or make the changes.

You can’t live other peoples’ lives for them.

Sounds like an eating disorder, but there’s nothing you can do to help them, if they don’t want to change.

@SSC Thank you for the heads up. You’re right, I can’t live their life. I understand there’s no helping someone that doesn’t want to be helped and no one’s going to be able to force anything on them. That said, I can’t just stand back while they slowly destroy themselves and try to destroy everyone else.

Name and shame.

Ease them into a new hobby like music…?

Have everyone start a slow shift in interest that are attractice to him…he has to have other interests than lifting and eating…

Are all of you out of shape? Maybe start to eat better and workout so he doesn’t see y’all as an example of what to be…

If someone is off the deepend as you’re telling us then it could be an enviornmental thing.

[quote]Consul wrote:
Sounds like an eating disorder, but there’s nothing you can do to help them, if they don’t want to change.[/quote]

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Consul wrote:
Sounds like an eating disorder, but there’s nothing you can do to help them, if they don’t want to change.[/quote]

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This is a family issue. Leaving this up to the one person who is uffering won’t do anything. The person won’t change until everyone else changes. They all have to take real action and not do the “bro you need help you’re not fat and so what if you are” thing.

take a picture of them, show it to them. Put it right in there face.

Take a picture of these sickly ribs and stick it right in their face.

If they dont see how they look…then you cannot help them.

Also maybe show them some pics of deprived ppl next to their pictures…

you cant help someone that doesnt want to help themselves. I know this because ive been there for different problems and refused help myself.

You’re telling us a person grew up being mocked everywhere they went for being a little overweight. That doesn’t happen to chunny kids. That happens to “goddamn that’s a fat motherfucker”

That’s an injury.

An injury brought on by irresponsible parenting.

His coping? Adopting a healthy lifestyle…the problem (irresponsible family) never went away

His coping? Eating disorder and more exercise…

Its not solely his issue as eating disorders rarely are. They stem from injury…and poor coping

Fix the whole problem. Don’t place all this on his shoulders.

Tell his mom to stop baking brownies every damn day.

You all need to do this TOGETHER. YOU ALL HELPED GET HIM TO THE POINT HE’S AT NOW.

Dang OP, that’s awfully depressing and prob worst-case scenario re: this whole training/ nutrition lifestyle we all enjoy.

Which is sort of the key here: that this person has become (was always?) unable to “enjoy the journey along the way,” and would rather obsess over the details at the expense of everything else, apparently.

Clearly this person need psychological help asap, and I applaud your concern and wish you well…

I don’t think you stated how old this person is, but it sounds as though they still live with you and your parents? They are abusing other family members and damaging personal property? Kick them the fuck out.

Your parents should tell this person that they love him, but that they are finished raising him. That they are no longer going to be a part of his treatment or his life. He can be a part of yours if he wants, but he will have to do all the work.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s been decades since I worked in mental health, but I recall learning back then that eating disorders can be self-driven once they go past a certain point. I recall patients essentially being forcibly given nutrition until they could think a bit more clearly…[/quote]

I went through this with someone close.

They don’t think logically.

Showing them a picture of their stick body and all they see is fat.

Consoling. Hopefully they can get through.

There is probably some other issue driving it as a manifestation.

Usually eating disorders stem from control issues.

You have a long, though road ahead of you.

Hang in there.

[quote]2busy wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
It’s been decades since I worked in mental health, but I recall learning back then that eating disorders can be self-driven once they go past a certain point. I recall patients essentially being forcibly given nutrition until they could think a bit more clearly…[/quote]

I went through this with someone close.

They don’t think logically.

Showing them a picture of their stick body and all they see is fat.

Consoling. Hopefully they can get through.

There is probably some other issue driving it as a manifestation.

Usually eating disorders stem from control issues.

You have a long, though road ahead of you.

Hang in there.
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A couple of people I know went through the hell of an eating disorder. 2busy is right on the money here.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]Consul wrote:
Sounds like an eating disorder, but there’s nothing you can do to help them, if they don’t want to change.[/quote]

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This is a family issue. Leaving this up to the one person who is uffering won’t do anything. The person won’t change until everyone else changes. They all have to take real action and not do the “bro you need help you’re not fat and so what if you are” thing.

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Yeah, I agree. If they change the environment, maybe they can help the person make positive changes in their life.