I like how these things (ahistorical fairy tales) are pitted against what he perceives as things that are wrong.
Like these disadvantaged people. Who let them live? Why are they even existing?
We don’t need those street urchin! Never mind how they got there, get rid of them!
Agreed. I think real “toxic masculinity” is the kind of self-defeating mindset derived from certain warped social standards that fucks a male up in lots of ways like preventing him from seeking proper help when he has real clinical depression. These are the dudes who end up self-medicating like drinking themselves to death and fucking up their kids in the process.
Hey, whoa… Too soon… 
Or saying stupid rude things to a waitress in an attempt to be “like one of the guys”, or many of the ugly ways that some guys find to put women, children, or anybody they perceive to be weaker on the receiving end of their insecurities.
Yeah, and I don’t understand why people can’t do both. It’s not a zero sum game. IME financially successful people who are close to you usually who want to give you opportunities to prop you up so you can join them doing the stuff they can afford to do. Successful business people you work with closely whom aren’t competitors and like the quality of your work know that there is mutual benefit from you succeeding because you will eventually be able to refer clients to them or collaborate with them on larger projects while giving them better prices or larger kickbacks.
Lol yeah I mean, that was just off the top of my head since I grew up amongst lots of these guys.
I’m just goofing. That was all a lifetime ago at this point.
I only lumped them together because I think they fill the same voids. Just the sheer amount of this content tells me something is missing.
But again, I think all those mentioned have provided some good, but they’ve also provided a lot that is narcissistic and vulgar. I like the AOM podcast and website because despite the name that might be silly to some, they actually have some interesting topics, covering stuff like fitness, psychology, religion, culinary, child raising, history, homesteading, martial arts, etc.
The AOM website / podcast is solid. Brett is a good writer.
Did you read the post? It is not mine it is by Arnold Kling, American economist and scholar. I added it because it was mentioned on AOM.
The post is in regard to academia, journalism, politics, and management positions in organizations.
You think there is Liberty?
-Do reporters investigate what they want? Report on what they want? Is anything supressed?
-Can companies hire who they please or do they have to now fill quotas? Interview certain people to be “fair”? Require sensitivity training etc.
Same in academia and politics,
What does this have to do with the mentioned areas? This is not about disadvantaged people in society.
I run electrical work.
If I am sent out a Journeyman who can not bend pipe, pull wire etc. I use to spin him.
Why would I keep him on the job? Why would slow down work for someone who was union trained and should know what they are doing?
This is no longer allowed. You now have to wait a couple days and “gather reasons”
as to why they were not good enough,
Would you say that this takes the subjectivity out of it. What if I decide that a guy that ends his sentences in commas isn’t good enough? Should I be able to just let that guy go? Is it better to strive for objectivity if the cost is a bit more time?
I did not ask if they were capable of certain tasks to which I got an unsatisfactory answer.
I am union, my contractor only hires union. I expect them to know how to do their job. When I get a new worker I show them the job site and lay them out. I do not micromanage and hover.
They got almost a full day to show my what they can do. I am younger but, have done it long enough (managing) to where I know if they will cut it.
These rules exist for a reason. Meeting quotas for hiring exists due to documented discrimination during hiring. You may not, but it was systemic enough to bring the conversation about. Not saying I agree with it, just that that’s how it is. You talk about liberty as if it can exist in a bubble. Which is why I asked you - what years do you believe were the good old times, where the issues you brought up weren’t a problem? Don’t have to be specific - a decade, for example.
Furthermore, there is evidence of subconscious stereotyping
Also, @lucaslion, from an economic perspective, establishing quotas does not seem to diminish the outcomes for those not in the quota group
If you’re interested Dorthea Kübler has done some pretty interesting research on this
I think many people default to seeing these things as zero sum situations. That isn’t always the case though.
exactly!
I understand why some might consider the term “manly man” silly but there are characteristics that we generally consider manly, like boldness, strength, pragmatism, stoicism (“take it like a man”), decisiveness, etc.
To clarify. You are telling me that those not benefiting from the mandatory quota/diversification are still finding employment?
No, I’m saying that some people who are a lot more educated and informed than me have done some theoretical modeling and lab experiments/simulations that show that implementing quotas does not make those in the non-quota group worse off
To be clear, I don’t have any skin in the game.
Pun intended?
you bet 
In all seriousness, my brother applied to uni this year. I’ve heard more than my fair share of arguments against affirmative action
I also didn’t intend on coming across as confrontational. Dorthea Kübler spoke at seminar last Friday and I started reading some of her papers. A couple of them happened to be relevant to the conversation at hand