How Many Irish on T-Nation?

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[quote]supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:

You couldnt tell me anything about Irish culture or heritage that you havent read in an irish themed pub or gathered from watching that great ‘irishman’ michael flatley in riverdance.

Mick you’re asking about history now. There is some Indian or some Spanish guy that knows more about both cultures than I do. They’re history buffs. That doesn’t make you Irish. Hell, every true Irishman I’ve ever met couldn’t remember what day of the week it was because he was so drunk let alone what country he’s from and how it originated in the first place.

I couln’t tell you that shit about America. As far I as know, I am equally ignorant on any countries history or true native culture. You’re just reaching.

I pegged you awhile ago. You’re miserable, admit it.

This has nothing to do with your attempt to define pluralism or semantics. You’re a sadist.

You havent really addressed any of the issues i have bought up but instead harped on about some romantic notions about heritage and blood in your hearts. Im a realist more than a sadist or miserable bastard and you know as well as i do that the notion you adhere too is utter crap.

In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.

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O.K. Mick whatever

I don’t think the weights give a flying fuck where you come from or what your nationality is… so I’m gonna go lift some more of them. I already worked out today… but I’m getting bored with this thread. Good luck Mick… with whatever. I don’t like to wish bad upon anyone, even an Englishman with a head harder than cement.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:

O.K. Mick whatever

I don’t think the weights give a flying fuck where you come from or what your nationality is… so I’m gonna go lift some more of them. I already worked out today… but I’m getting bored with this thread. Good luck Mick… with whatever. I don’t like to wish bad upon anyone, even an Englishman with a head harder than cement.[/quote]

dont need luck mate but thanks anyway…

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[quote]supermick wrote:

dont need luck mate but thanks anyway…[/quote]

You need the Luck of the Irish …

Oh I love this thread
:slight_smile:

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Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.

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[quote]supermick wrote:

In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.[/quote]

So where do you figure the cutoff point is, Mick?

I’m Thomas Gerald Dunne, son of James Thomas Dunne and grandson of Patrick Joseph Dunne, the first of my family born in America. I grew up thinking that soda bread was pretty common stuff and wondering why everyone else didn’t eat it. Coffee is had only in the morning, yet we do tea from breakfast to bedtime. I’ve got pale white skin with hair as black as pitch. I’m Catholic, I have a penchant for whiskey, a dour outlook on life that I’m strangely comfortable with and, yes, I even like potatoes.

Do you figure I have more in common with a native Irishman, whose land I have never set foot upon, or with a third-gen hispanic American born in Texas, whose country I have lived in my entire life?

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[quote]supermick wrote:

If someones Irish and live outside of Ireland then they have to be born in Ireland to qualify as irish. Otherwise there Not Irish. Its pretty simple really. If your great great granny was Irish, it means fuck all and all the Guinness drinking, blarney stone kissing in the world wont change that.

Coldiron wrote:

Mick, so your reasoning is that if someone was conceived in Ireland with nth generation Irish parents and this very person had the misfortune of being born in, “let’s say for arguments sake”, England. According to your statement this newly born child’s nationality will be English. I’m sorry, but I think your kilt is wrapped a little too tight.

To those with Irish ancestry: My job brought me to Ireland for about four weeks. I am not sure which was more wonderful. Ireland itself, or it’s people.

Cheers

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[quote]vermilion wrote:
supermick wrote:

In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.

So where do you figure the cutoff point is, Mick?

I’m Thomas Gerald Dunne, son of James Thomas Dunne and grandson of Patrick Joseph Dunne, the first of my family born in America. I grew up thinking that soda bread was pretty common stuff and wondering why everyone else didn’t eat it. Coffee is had only in the morning, yet we do tea from breakfast to bedtime. I’ve got pale white skin with hair as black as pitch. I’m Catholic, I have a penchant for whiskey, a dour outlook on life that I’m strangely comfortable with and, yes, I even like potatoes.

Do you figure I have more in common with a native Irishman, whose land I have never set foot upon, or with a third-gen hispanic American born in Texas, whose country I have lived in my entire life? [/quote]

Nice post mate

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[quote]supermick wrote:
In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.[/quote]
That’s not true, you said this;

[quote]supermick wrote:
I want to be an Irishman as much as an Irishman or Scot would want to be English. Besides, i dont think the chip would suit me that i would have to carry on my shoulder for life. :)[/quote]
Smiley face or not, that pissed me off.

Anyway, that aside I agree with what you’re saying. However, in reference to the whole Irish-American thing - I’m in favour of it, because when I go to America everyone (including hot american girls) is really nice to me. I can live with that :wink:

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[quote]vermilion wrote:
supermick wrote:

In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.

So where do you figure the cutoff point is, Mick?

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The cut off point is not for me to decide but their has to be one. Unless sentimentality rules over common sense.

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I’m Thomas Gerald Dunne, son of James Thomas Dunne and grandson of Patrick Joseph Dunne, the first of my family born in America. I grew up thinking that soda bread was pretty common stuff and wondering why everyone else didn’t eat it. Coffee is had only in the morning, yet we do tea from breakfast to bedtime. I’ve got pale white skin with hair as black as pitch. I’m Catholic, I have a penchant for whiskey, a dour outlook on life that I’m strangely comfortable with and, yes, I even like potatoes.

Do you figure I have more in common with a native Irishman, whose land I have never set foot upon, or with a third-gen hispanic American born in Texas, whose country I have lived in my entire life? [/quote]
Whats having anything in common with someone got to do with nationality? Do i have anything in common with an upper class polo playing yacht owning Englishman? Not really - but were both English. You and pedro the hispanic bloke are both American.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.[/quote]

Ok - time for someone else to do some thinking…
Will you consider yourself N. Irish untill you have spent many more years in Canada than you have in Ireland?

Will you consider your children second generation N. Irish or canadian?

If you didnt move back to N.I and instead moved to say…LA and were mates with a load of hispanics, all your influences were hispanic, had suspension in your car and a latino hottie to boot what would you be?

Would your parents still make you Irish?

What if you were adopted by English people and lived in France?

Where is the cut off point now?

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[quote]supermick wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.

Ok - time for someone else to do some thinking…
Will you consider yourself N. Irish untill you have spent many more years in Canada than you have in Ireland?

Will you consider your children second generation N. Irish or canadian?

If you didnt move back to N.I and instead moved to say…LA and were mates with a load of hispanics, all your influences were hispanic, had suspension in your car and a latino hottie to boot what would you be?

Would your parents still make you Irish?

What if you were adopted by English people and lived in France?

Where is the cut off point now?

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Whoa - hang on a minute where is this N. Ireland place ?

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[quote]no23 wrote:
supermick wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.

Ok - time for someone else to do some thinking…
Will you consider yourself N. Irish untill you have spent many more years in Canada than you have in Ireland?

Will you consider your children second generation N. Irish or canadian?

If you didnt move back to N.I and instead moved to say…LA and were mates with a load of hispanics, all your influences were hispanic, had suspension in your car and a latino hottie to boot what would you be?

Would your parents still make you Irish?

What if you were adopted by English people and lived in France?

Where is the cut off point now?

Whoa - hang on a minute where is this N. Ireland place ?

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i suppose you going to ask me that too eh?

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[quote]no23 wrote:

Whoa - hang on a minute where is this N. Ireland place ?

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Isn’t that where Cuchulainn was from? You know, the Hound of N. Ireland? :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]supermick wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.

Ok - time for someone else to do some thinking…
Will you consider yourself N. Irish untill you have spent many more years in Canada than you have in Ireland?

Will you consider your children second generation N. Irish or canadian?

If you didnt move back to N.I and instead moved to say…LA and were mates with a load of hispanics, all your influences were hispanic, had suspension in your car and a latino hottie to boot what would you be?

Would your parents still make you Irish?

What if you were adopted by English people and lived in France?

Where is the cut off point now?

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Well, I consider myself N. Irish because I still hold citizenship, I spend parts of nearly every year there, I got most of my education there. ALL of my family is there. I immigrated to Canada, and most of all, i’m not like “canadians” at all. Oh yea, I also have some accent left…does that help?

PS, my children will be considered Canadian, unless they are born somewhere else, or their mother is also an immigrant, in which case I might consider them Irish-Canadian. But I hate giving out the title of “Irish”…if you never actually LIVED within the culture without trying to hunt down your roots, going on studies abroad, or going for any other reason that is similar, you’re NOT FUCKIN IRISH.

And whoever it was that said that shit about eating soda bread and shit like that, and how you feel irish. Thats great, but the truth is that you know that little bit about the culture and thats it…EVERYTHING is different there. I garauntee you if I put you where I used to live in Belfast you’d last a week, I don’t give a fuck if you’re chuck norris…maybe thats because i’m from Seymour Hill?

Do you know why that matters and would be trouble?

Of course not you know little enough to spout off that you're catholic in an Irish thread....being catholic is not "irish" and I know people who have been shot over such matters.

PS, N. Ireland is Northern Ireland or if you’re from there “Norn Iron”…it’s pretty much a dive and i’m glad i’m out.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
supermick wrote:
X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? I consider myself N. Irish.

Ok - time for someone else to do some thinking…
Will you consider yourself N. Irish untill you have spent many more years in Canada than you have in Ireland?

Will you consider your children second generation N. Irish or canadian?

If you didnt move back to N.I and instead moved to say…LA and were mates with a load of hispanics, all your influences were hispanic, had suspension in your car and a latino hottie to boot what would you be?

Would your parents still make you Irish?

What if you were adopted by English people and lived in France?

Where is the cut off point now?

Well, I consider myself N. Irish because I still hold citizenship, I spend parts of nearly every year there, I most of my education there. ALL of my family is here. I immigrated to Canada, and most of all. I’m not like most of the canadians at all. Oh yea, I also have some accent left…does that help?

PS, my children will be considered Canadian, unless they are born somewhere else, or their mother is also an immigrant, in which case I might consider them Irish-Canadian. But I hate giving out the title of “Irish”…if you never actually LIVED within the culture without trying to hunt down your roots, going on studies abroad, or going for anyother reason that is similar, you’re NOT FUCKIN IRISH.

And whoever it was that said that shit about eating soda bread and shit like that, and how you feel irish. Thats great, but the truth is that you know that little bit about the culture…EVERYTHING is different there. I garauntee you if I put you where I used to live in Belfast you’d last a week, I don’t give a fuck if you’re chuck norris…maybe thats because i’m from Seymour Hill?

Do you know why that would be trouble? Of course not you know little enough to spout off that you’re catholic in an Irish thread…being catholic is not “irish” and I know people who have been shot over suck matters.

PS, N. Ireland is Northern Ireland…it’s pretty much a dive and i’m glad it’s out.[/quote]

This is my new favourite saying but i think were reading from the same page. Or at least the same chapter anyways…

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Being irish is not some coat you put on when it’s St. Patricks day, or when the time suits you.

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[quote]t-ha wrote:
supermick wrote:
In no post have i disrespected Irish people or Americans, just the notion of the 25th generation ‘irishman’.
That’s not true, you said this;
supermick wrote:
I want to be an Irishman as much as an Irishman or Scot would want to be English. Besides, i dont think the chip would suit me that i would have to carry on my shoulder for life. :slight_smile:
Smiley face or not, that pissed me off.

Anyway, that aside I agree with what you’re saying. However, in reference to the whole Irish-American thing - I’m in favour of it, because when I go to America everyone (including hot american girls) is really nice to me. I can live with that ;)[/quote]

Yeah, I agree, smiley faces these days just dont hold the impact that they use to.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:

And whoever it was that said that shit about eating soda bread and shit like that, and how you feel irish. Thats great, but the truth is that you know that little bit about the culture…EVERYTHING is different there. I garauntee you if I put you where I used to live in Belfast you’d last a week, I don’t give a fuck if you’re chuck norris…maybe thats because i’m from Seymour Hill?

Do you know why that would be trouble? Of course not you know little enough to spout off that you’re catholic in an Irish thread…being catholic is not “irish” and I know people who have been shot over suck matters.

PS, N. Ireland is Northern Ireland…it’s pretty much a dive and i’m glad it’s out.[/quote]

Northern Irish tube steak boogie, eh? Why don’t you sit down to a .9 of a pint and see if you can settle down a bit. The macho “I’m from such-and-such and I know people who have been shot” is internet penis-waving at it’s finest, and I’m 38 different kinds of not interested.

My point is that in terms of my culture - the foods I eat, the people I’m around, the stories I heard growing up, whatever - I have more in common with someone born in Ireland than I do a hispanic Texan. In your rush to pull your cock out of your pants and hold it up to a ruler for me, you overlooked that I didn’t declare myself Irish or claim any status as an Irishman.

I literally just asked Supermick a question about which culture he thinks I’d more easily relate to, the Irish one or the American one. The real issue is how someone defines an American, since there is no common heritage that her citizens share.

That said, you can put your pants back on now - we’re all very impressed with your Irishness and defer to it’s authenticity.

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[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Here is a question, my parents moved to Canada, from N. Ireland in 1975, I was born and we moved back when I was 6 months old, I then lived there until 1996, in which year we moved back to canada. So what am I? …[/quote] Indecisive!

Sorry couldn’t resist.

I hear what your saying, my wife was born there, but her parents brought her over here fairly young. She’d still consider herself Irish, I’d agree because I think she’d rather move back if her parents weren’t here.

As for our kids, no matter how many instruments or dancing they learn, they’ll still be Canadian… unless we do move over there someday… then they’ll be fucked up like the rest of this thread!

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[quote]supermick wrote:

This is my new favourite saying but i think were reading from the same page. Or at least the same chapter anyways…[/quote]

Well, at any rate the same passport.