[quote]vermilion wrote:
In your rush to pull your cock out of your pants and hold it up to a ruler [/quote]
A ruler? You mean like the Queen?
I have some Irish ancestry but I totally agree with SuperMick. I’m American. I hate all this hyphenated American bullshit. I hate all these forms that asking you to categorize yourself as anything other than American. I scratch that shit out and write American.
If you ever travel overseas and actually meet the people who live in those other countries you will realize very quickly that you are an American. Even the English who speak the same language sort of are different. Australians are probably closest to Americans in their outlook on things.
But Americans are not Irish even when we have Irish ancestry. “Mexican-Americans” are American period. You go to Mexico and you’ll see the difference big time in attitudes in the way they live in everything. One or two generations here and you are an American.
I am related to Severyn Nalyvaiko the leader of the Ukranian Cossacks 10th generation ! But I am from Lutsk. Go figure.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
vermilion wrote:
In your rush to pull your cock out of your pants and hold it up to a ruler
A ruler? You mean like the Queen?[/quote]
jelous?
[quote]supermick wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
vermilion wrote:
In your rush to pull your cock out of your pants and hold it up to a ruler
A ruler? You mean like the Queen?
jelous?
[/quote]
Not at all, chum.
[quote]deputydawg wrote:
yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah…
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Do you understand the difference between ethnicity and citizenship? If I had to describe a typical Irishman, I’d suggest he has a fair complexion, darker hair, and is of medium height and build. Not precise, but I can definitely rule out black skin or an epicanthic fold in the eyelids. If you think ethnicity is irrelevant, tell me what an American looks like.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
supermick wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
vermilion wrote:
In your rush to pull your cock out of your pants and hold it up to a ruler
A ruler? You mean like the Queen?
jelous?
Not at all, chum.[/quote]
I think the percieved stereotype of an Englishman is another thread altogether.
However, I drink Tea with milk if that ticks your boxes.
[quote]deputydawg wrote:
I have some Irish ancestry but I totally agree with SuperMick. I’m American. I hate all this hyphenated American bullshit. I hate all these forms that asking you to categorize yourself as anything other than American. I scratch that shit out and write American.
If you ever travel overseas and actually meet the people who live in those other countries you will realize very quickly that you are an American. Even the English who speak the same language sort of are different. Australians are probably closest to Americans in their outlook on things.
But Americans are not Irish even when we have Irish ancestry. “Mexican-Americans” are American period. You go to Mexico and you’ll see the difference big time in attitudes in the way they live in everything. One or two generations here and you are an American.[/quote]
You’re just way off. Mick is at least dealing with semantics. You’re not even close.
Depending where you are at will depend what your answer to the question is. Not where you were born, or which generation you are.
In America… when asked the question “what are you” nobody replies “American”. Only overseas would somebody say “I’m American”. In America you will say “Italian”, “Irish”, “German”… etc… etc.
Once again those with the semantics argument are dead wrong. To prove your theory. Come to America and ask the question… see how many responses you get as “I’m American”. You’ll be lucky if you ever hear it once. Vice-versa… I doubt one American born citizen would claim to be anything but “American” when asked outside the country.
It’s all perspective and you’re viewpoint. Mick is talking to people in America and Canada. Both countries have no native culture called “American” or “Canadian”. As far as I know… a Canadian is Irish, Italian, French, Jamaican, German, English… etc… etc. Just to name a few.
American is… German, Irish, English, Scottish, Norweigian, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Jamiacan, Puerto Rican, Welsh, Danish, Portuguese, Korean, Nigerian, Sweedish, Cuban, Bulgarian, Phillipino, Greek, Mongolian, Romanian, and the native Americans such as Cherokee and Pueblo… do you get the point yet?
This is no such thing as an American in the native sence of the word… other than the true American Indian tribes. American is a nationality, not a culture.
You are dead wrong talking about a salad bowl of heritages and trying to call it one. The guy that lives in Queens New York and his parents were born in Sicily has no cultural heritage similiarities to the Mexican-Indian that lives in New Mexico. The only similiarity is our nationality which is American, not our culture, our heritage, or our ancestry.
There is an american view here and an outside American view here. Of course you see everyone that lives in America as an American. That’s our nation. It’s not our culture, creed, heritage, or our ancestry.
Don’t confuse the two… you are not going to sum up an “American ethnicity” with semantics. There is no “American ethnicy” other than the natives whose roots trace back here thousands of years. This country is barely over a few hundred years old to the new world, or old world depending on your perspective. I hope this clears things up for you Mick.
You have a different perspective looking in… rather than looking from with in.
Over here Mick, we’re “Irish”, “Italian”, “German”… and so forth. Over in England we would all be “American”.
From my viewpoint, anybody with an English accent and lives in England is English to me. If they told me they were not English, they were actually Polish, they were just born there and their parents are Polish… I would understand how he is not a native Englishman. But this mans Nationality is English but he tells people he Polish while he lives in England. His culture is Polish culture that he learned from his parents. He made have picked up some english culture and even learned that language… but that doesn’t exactly make him English now does it? It makes him a Polish guy living in england. No different than an Irish guy living in Texas.
I hope light has just dawned on Micks marble head. I cannot put it any simplier than this. You are using semantics to confuse nationality with heritage. You’re also looking at it in a totally different perspective than every culturally Irish guy that just happens to live in a country created over 200 years ago… meanwhile his heritage dates back thousands of years in the old country.
I need a break, I can’t even go back and fix all my spelling errors… I now have carpal tunnel.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
You’re just way off. Mick is at least dealing with semantics. You’re not even close.
Depending where you are at will depend what your answer to the question is. Not where you were born, or which generation you are.
In America… when asked the question “what are you” nobody replies “American”. Only overseas would somebody say “I’m American”. In America you will say “Italian”, “Irish”, “German”… etc… etc.
[/quote]
This is strictly your opinion.
What about westernisation as a whole? Commercialism? capitalism etc etc?
SO you mean there is such a thing as an American then, in the true sense of the word…lol.
There is a fault here in your arguement. The guy that lives in queens new york has fuck all in common to the mexican-indian in addition to the guy born and raised in sicilly due to his cultural differences i.e. His americanisms.
I have nothing in common with the polo playing yacht owning guy at Henly Regatta but were still both English. I have actually at least attempted to address your at times, slightly childish questioning and all you have succeeded in doing is dipping your toe in and out of the debate when someone else chimes in with a similar view to your own. Each one of your views has been addressed and responded too. Mine have not.
Blah blah blah…
I can summarise the rest for you in this statement…
You think your Irish, You have Irish blood and Irish customs in your heart, You get sentimental about Irish things - The Irish flag, maybe even gaelic footy - But youve not been to ireland.
Thats franky laughable and your clinging onto something thats been sold on you. The problem is you didnt recognise it as a hard sell when you were younger.
[quote]supermick wrote:
SO you mean there is such a thing as an American then, in the true sense of the word…lol.
I[/quote]
Only as a “Nationality”. The nation we either were born in or reside in.
My culture and heritage will never be American… my family is not native American indian, or mongolian or incan or whatever else you would like to call the “natives” whose bloodline has been here for thousands of years. My bloodline arrived here in the 70’s.
Again you are using semantics. Diffrentiate the two Mick. I’m lucky enough to have an “American” nationality, and an “Irish” heritage.
Ask me 2 questions. I will give you one answer as “I’m american”. The other answer will be “I’m Irish”. It depends on what you are asking. You are trying to join the two. The smart people on this thread can actually tell the difference.
That “black” guy that’s reading this thread knows that him and I are “Americans”, but he also knows that he’s “Nigerian” and I’m “Irish”. It’s funny you still want to argue the obvious.
I give up. As far as I’m concearned Mick… I’m Jupatarian to you, because that is the planet I was born under. Won’t make a difference to me. My surname will always be O’LAUGHLIN… The “Irish name”… if I was a native american indian…it would be “Lifts til his muscles explode”
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
I’m with Fool on this entirely. I don’t have an Irish flag hanging on my wall, I don’t drink Guinness, and I don’t have a longing for shamrocks and leprechauns. And yeah, that’s all totally irrelevant.
If I meet a girl in a bar and she asks me my nationality, I’m sure as hell not telling her “I’m an American.” She already knows that and it’s not what she’s asking. There are neighborhoods in virtually every major city populated by specific ethnicities, a shared common ground that all those people have. Doesn’t matter if we’re talking Irish in south Boston, Italians in New York’s Little Italy, Cubans in Miami’s Little Havana, etc. The common theme is immigrants and their decendents acknowledging the lands of their ancestors. My ‘being Irish’ pretty much has nothing to do with the nation of Ireland, and everything to do with my relating to a small part of the 300 million people I share America with.
It kills me that ‘real’ Irish or English or whomever get up in arms about this. No one is trying to deny you your bragging rights as official citizens of wherever the hell you were born. No American proud of his heritage is out to dilute your own sense of national identity. Describing your ethnicity, whether Irish or English or Swahili, is a way Americans communicate with other Americans. If you’re a native European, this has exactly fuck all to do with you.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.[/quote]
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…
[quote]vermilion wrote:
I’m with Fool on this entirely. I don’t have an Irish flag hanging on my wall, I don’t drink Guinness, and I don’t have a longing for shamrocks and leprechauns. And yeah, that’s all totally irrelevant.
If I meet a girl in a bar and she asks me my nationality, I’m sure as hell not telling her “I’m an American.” She already knows that and it’s not what she’s asking. There are neighborhoods in virtually every major city populated by specific ethnicities, a shared common ground that all those people have. Doesn’t matter if we’re talking Irish in south Boston, Italians in New York’s Little Italy, Cubans in Miami’s Little Havana, etc. The common theme is immigrants and their decendents acknowledging the lands of their ancestors. My ‘being Irish’ pretty much has nothing to do with the nation of Ireland, and everything to do with my relating to a small part of the 300 million people I share America with.
It kills me that ‘real’ Irish or English or whomever get up in arms about this. No one is trying to deny you your bragging rights as official citizens of wherever the hell you were born. No American proud of his heritage is out to dilute your own sense of national identity. Describing your ethnicity, whether Irish or English or Swahili, is a way Americans communicate with other Americans. If you’re a native European, this has exactly fuck all to do with you.[/quote]
Ohh ok. So people from your homeland who ‘share’ the heritage you claim to be yours (Ireland is in European you know) should fuck off and have fuck all to do with you and this thread…
Sounds about right…
[quote]supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…[/quote]
You can’t answer it because it doesn’t follow “Mick logic”… one answer for two totally different questions.
The normal thinking persons answers:
Arnold is an American citizen.So he is essentially an american based on his residence.
Arnold is also Austrian. He was born there and his parents were of Austrian ancestry. So Arnold’s ethnicity, heritage, culture, ancestry is and always will be “AUSTRIAN”… no matter how many Big Mac’s he eats.
You done yet Mick? You’re busted. You got caught trying to play politics/semantics.
2 questions = 2 answers
2 questions does not = 1 answer, unless you’re an Englishman with a cement head.
the latter is “Mick logic”
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…
You can’t answer it because it doesn’t follow “Mick logic”… one answer for two totally different questions.
The normal thinking persons answers:
Arnold is an American citizen.So he is essentially an american based on his residence.
Arnold is also Austrian. He was born there and his parents were of Austrian ancestry. So Arnold’s ethnicity, heritage, culture, ancestry is and always will be “AUSTRIAN”… no matter how many Big Mac’s he eats.
You done yet Mick? You’re busted. You got caught trying to play politics/semantics.
2 questions = 2 answers
2 questions does not = 1 answer, unless you’re an Englishman with a cement head.
the latter is “Mick logic”
[/quote]
I dont fucking have to answer it dick head.
I have made my point (based on a cut off point for claiming to be of a certain country) backed it up with common sense and numerous examples, both to back up my points and counter yours. You have not countered my points, but have instead dismissed them and responded by asking me the following profound question…
Is Arnie an american?
Lol…
This thread is far better when you are off dreaming about the Emerald isle buddy…
[quote]supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…
You can’t answer it because it doesn’t follow “Mick logic”… one answer for two totally different questions.
The normal thinking persons answers:
Arnold is an American citizen.So he is essentially an american based on his residence.
Arnold is also Austrian. He was born there and his parents were of Austrian ancestry. So Arnold’s ethnicity, heritage, culture, ancestry is and always will be “AUSTRIAN”… no matter how many Big Mac’s he eats.
You done yet Mick? You’re busted. You got caught trying to play politics/semantics.
2 questions = 2 answers
2 questions does not = 1 answer, unless you’re an Englishman with a cement head.
the latter is “Mick logic”
I dont fucking have to answer it dick head.
I have made my point (based on a cut off point for claiming to be of a certain country) backed it up with common sense and numerous examples, both to back up my points and counter yours. You have not countered my points, but have instead dismissed them and responded by asking me the following…
Is Arnie was an american?
Lol…
This thread is far better when you are off dreaming about the Emerald isle buddy…
[/quote]
You lost Mick. Ypu put up a good fight for awhile. As soon as you started in with the insults, you knew you were defeated and had no intelligence to back up your argument… that’s why you resorted to the insults. You could have just called me a friendly name like “knucklehead” and your argument may still be alive. As far as the readers are concearned, you are going to lose. They see the point on two different answers, based on perspective and the question being asked. We all agree that we are American citizens, that’s why we never ask. It’s understood. We ask the question to find out our ethnic background and where are heritage comes from.
Guess what Mick, mine came from Ireland, sorry bud… Danny O’Laughlin moved here in the 70’s from Dublin. Mine never came from Mongolia, Mexico or wherever the hell the Native Indians come from. I will not answer “Native American” until I find a relative of mine from this area of the world. As far as I know. My heritage is out of Scotland, Dublin Ireland and Koln Germany… all within 3 generations. My dad was born in Dublin. I’m Irish Mick… sorry bud. and I’m also American… sorry about that too. Probably two countries you can’t stand. Oh well. I expect a nice outburst of illogical non-sense to follow this post.
[quote]supermick wrote:
vermilion wrote:
I’m with Fool on this entirely. I don’t have an Irish flag hanging on my wall, I don’t drink Guinness, and I don’t have a longing for shamrocks and leprechauns. And yeah, that’s all totally irrelevant.
If I meet a girl in a bar and she asks me my nationality, I’m sure as hell not telling her “I’m an American.” She already knows that and it’s not what she’s asking. There are neighborhoods in virtually every major city populated by specific ethnicities, a shared common ground that all those people have. Doesn’t matter if we’re talking Irish in south Boston, Italians in New York’s Little Italy, Cubans in Miami’s Little Havana, etc. The common theme is immigrants and their decendents acknowledging the lands of their ancestors. My ‘being Irish’ pretty much has nothing to do with the nation of Ireland, and everything to do with my relating to a small part of the 300 million people I share America with.
It kills me that ‘real’ Irish or English or whomever get up in arms about this. No one is trying to deny you your bragging rights as official citizens of wherever the hell you were born. No American proud of his heritage is out to dilute your own sense of national identity. Describing your ethnicity, whether Irish or English or Swahili, is a way Americans communicate with other Americans. If you’re a native European, this has exactly fuck all to do with you.
Ohh ok. So people from your homeland who ‘share’ the heritage you claim to be yours (Ireland is in European you know) should fuck off and have fuck all to do with you and this thread…
Sounds about right…[/quote]
It might sound right if that’s what I had said. But then, that’s not what I said.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…
You can’t answer it because it doesn’t follow “Mick logic”… one answer for two totally different questions.
The normal thinking persons answers:
Arnold is an American citizen.So he is essentially an american based on his residence.
Arnold is also Austrian. He was born there and his parents were of Austrian ancestry. So Arnold’s ethnicity, heritage, culture, ancestry is and always will be “AUSTRIAN”… no matter how many Big Mac’s he eats.
You done yet Mick? You’re busted. You got caught trying to play politics/semantics.
2 questions = 2 answers
2 questions does not = 1 answer, unless you’re an Englishman with a cement head.
the latter is “Mick logic”
I dont fucking have to answer it dick head.
I have made my point (based on a cut off point for claiming to be of a certain country) backed it up with common sense and numerous examples, both to back up my points and counter yours. You have not countered my points, but have instead dismissed them and responded by asking me the following…
Is Arnie was an american?
Lol…
This thread is far better when you are off dreaming about the Emerald isle buddy…
You lost Mick. Ypu put up a good fight for awhile. As soon as you started in with the insults, you knew you were defeated and had no intelligence to back up your argument… that’s why you resorted to the insults. You could have just called me a friendly name like “knucklehead” and your argument may still be alive. As far as the readers are concearned, you are going to lose. They see the point on two different answers, based on perspective and the question being asked. We all agree that we are American citizens, that’s why we never ask. It’s understood. We ask the question to find out our ethnic background and where are heritage comes from.
Guess what Mick, mine came from Ireland, sorry bud… Danny O’Laughlin moved here in the 70’s from Dublin. Mine never came from Mongolia, Mexico or wherever the hell the Native Indians come from. I will not answer “Native American” until I find a relative of mine from this area of the world. As far as I know. My heritage is out of Scotland, Dublin Ireland and Koln Germany… all within 3 generations. My dad was born in Dublin. I’m Irish Mick… sorry bud. and I’m also American… sorry about that too. Probably two countries you can’t stand. Oh well. I expect a nice outburst of illogical non-sense to follow this post.
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I have a question for you Fool.
How can you lose a debate where you exchange points of view…??
You lost this debate ages ago. You didnt even engage in the ‘debate’ for a start, merely propposed ridiculous scenarious that losely fitted your arguement and then claimed victory. A bit odd…
Incidently, If you insult me i will insult you back. Must be the Irish temprement in me…
[quote]supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
I have one question for Supermick.
What is Arnold Schwarzenegger Mick?
I would like to add that he is an American citizen and has lived here since the 70’s. Arnold lives in santa Monica California U.S.A.
Are you fucking retarded?
That question is rhetorical…
You can’t answer it because it doesn’t follow “Mick logic”… one answer for two totally different questions.
The normal thinking persons answers:
Arnold is an American citizen.So he is essentially an american based on his residence.
Arnold is also Austrian. He was born there and his parents were of Austrian ancestry. So Arnold’s ethnicity, heritage, culture, ancestry is and always will be “AUSTRIAN”… no matter how many Big Mac’s he eats.
You done yet Mick? You’re busted. You got caught trying to play politics/semantics.
2 questions = 2 answers
2 questions does not = 1 answer, unless you’re an Englishman with a cement head.
the latter is “Mick logic”
I dont fucking have to answer it dick head.
I have made my point (based on a cut off point for claiming to be of a certain country) backed it up with common sense and numerous examples, both to back up my points and counter yours. You have not countered my points, but have instead dismissed them and responded by asking me the following…
Is Arnie was an american?
Lol…
This thread is far better when you are off dreaming about the Emerald isle buddy…
You lost Mick. Ypu put up a good fight for awhile. As soon as you started in with the insults, you knew you were defeated and had no intelligence to back up your argument… that’s why you resorted to the insults. You could have just called me a friendly name like “knucklehead” and your argument may still be alive. As far as the readers are concearned, you are going to lose. They see the point on two different answers, based on perspective and the question being asked. We all agree that we are American citizens, that’s why we never ask. It’s understood. We ask the question to find out our ethnic background and where are heritage comes from.
Guess what Mick, mine came from Ireland, sorry bud… Danny O’Laughlin moved here in the 70’s from Dublin. Mine never came from Mongolia, Mexico or wherever the hell the Native Indians come from. I will not answer “Native American” until I find a relative of mine from this area of the world. As far as I know. My heritage is out of Scotland, Dublin Ireland and Koln Germany… all within 3 generations. My dad was born in Dublin. I’m Irish Mick… sorry bud. and I’m also American… sorry about that too. Probably two countries you can’t stand. Oh well. I expect a nice outburst of illogical non-sense to follow this post.
I have a question for you Fool.
How can you lose a debate where you exchange points of view…??
You lost this debate ages ago. You didnt even engage in the ‘debate’ for a start, merely propposed ridiculous scenarious that losely fitted your arguement and then claimed victory. A bit odd…
Incidently, If you insult me i will insult you back. Must be the Irish temprement in me…
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Simple. Read the thread. Look at views, if your basing it primarily on numbers. More people agree that it is understood in America that when we say “Irish”, it means our heritage. The few of you guys out there in left field actually think we are referring to the state we were born on or the country we reside in.
For arguemnet sake… i always thought the loser was the first one to start insulting instead of just compromising. I already adhered to the fact that I am in no way an Irish citizen. I am an American. I agree with you there. But you havn’t acknowledged the many of us that have stated on this thread that we are referring to our heritage for the question at hand. Americans refer to their heritage. The only argument you do have is the watered down Irishness and 28th generation guys that think they are as Irish as Paddy Doyle. We arn’t saying that. Some of us are more Irish than others. What we are saying is that we are in fact Irish… the level of that is purely subjective. Like I said, base it on looks… you won’t be able to tell the difference between me and an Irishman born there, same with the amount I can drink. Same with the food that my parents fed me growing up. and all this is even subjective and is irrelavant(I was just making a point)… you don’t get to judge how Irish someone is. It is a subjective question with many points of view. You have no say in the matter Mick, its funny that an Englishman actually thought he had the right to calim who is Irish and who isn’t. I didn’t get read Dr. Seus… know what I’m sayin’? My bedtime stories were a little different.