Born in Dublin. My grandparents emmigrated to the states from Ireland - my father was born here, and we went back to Ireland where I was born. My grandfather used to say that in my nuclear family I was the only “true” Irishman because I was born in Ireland, whereas my father was not. He was an intense man.
As for the people who claim that unless you were born in Ireland you are not Irish…bullshit. One of the things that holds my family together (cousins etc…my grandfather had a lot of kids) is our sense of heritage. Even though most of my surviving family was born in the states, our Irish identity is HUGE part of who we are - just come to one of our family re-unions and you will see.
I don’t think it makes me cooler or more hip or goth or whatever the hell else crap some people are suggesting. It is who I am. My children will be instilled with this sense of heritage, and there children too, hopefully. I consider myself American first, but my Irish heritage is a large part of who I am. Funny thing that I married a Viking!
One more thing - whoever said that fitzpatrick is a French-Norman name please note that FitzPatrick spelled with the capital “P” is the only Fitz surname of gaelic origin. I beg you to challenge me on this.
On a side note - when I went to Ireland for my honeymoon it was extremely annoying to hear - in almost every bar we went to - American tourists claiming to the bartender and everyone else and their mother how they were Irish: “Connolly - thats my last name…hahah”. Nobody over there cared. I avoided doing this like it was the plague.
I think the judgement of how "Irish "you are should be in your drinking ability. My best friend Larry Caskey is 100% “Irish” or “Irish-American” and he was born in Kentucky. Larry could down a Guinnes like it was water. This man I saw funnel Vodka…
O.K. if that wasn’t enough (He did it after Florida State won the national championship and he just past a kidney stone and was in the hospital that morning. Passing kidney stones in the morning and funneling Vodka in the evening… if that isn’t Irish, then I don’t know what is.
If someones Irish and live outside of Ireland then they have to be born in Ireland to qualify as irish. Otherwise there Not Irish. Its pretty simple really.
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Not true.
It you have a parent (and in some cases, a grandparent) who was born in the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, you qualify for Irish citizenship, and can receive an Irish passport by applying at an Irish embassy or consulate. It’s pretty simple really.
If someones Irish and live outside of Ireland then they have to be born in Ireland to qualify as irish. Otherwise there Not Irish. Its pretty simple really.
Not true.
It you have a parent (and in some cases, a grandparent) who was born in the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, you qualify for Irish citizenship, and can receive an Irish passport by applying at an Irish embassy or consulate. It’s pretty simple really.
I can qualify for several passports. Im still English. My point still counts. If you mum was born in Ireland and you were born in Canada you are canadian and qualify for an Irish passport. You are not Irish due to this. You simply have an Irish passport and an Irish Mum.
I never really thought to deep about the name ‘supermick’…
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Anybody else here find it amusing that the guy coming down on Americans who think they’re Irish is an Englishman named “Supermick”?
[quote]no23 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Anybody else here find it amusing that the guy coming down on Americans who think they’re Irish is an Englishman named “Supermick”?
If someones Irish and live outside of Ireland then they have to be born in Ireland to qualify as irish. Otherwise there Not Irish. Its pretty simple really.
Not true.
It you have a parent (and in some cases, a grandparent) who was born in the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, you qualify for Irish citizenship, and can receive an Irish passport by applying at an Irish embassy or consulate. It’s pretty simple really.
I can qualify for several passports. Im still English. My point still counts. If you mum was born in Ireland and you were born in Canada you are canadian and qualify for an Irish passport. You are not Irish due to this. You simply have an Irish passport and an Irish Mum.
I never really thought to deep about the name ‘supermick’…
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Supermick… we get your point. SEMANTICS!
I am American.
I am also Irish.
I am also Human.
I am also described as a color… you wanna argue something? Argue that. How the fuck is someone a color? I get “white” and there isn’t one spec of my skin that is that color. As I said in another thread. There are no black or white people on the face of the earth. Skin does not come in those colors. Only lables do. We are all actually a shade of Brown. Start looking at the similiarities instead of the differences and you will get a whole new perspective.
Especially when you take a DNA test in a room with 20 strangers and find out that yours most similiar to that of the African female in the seat behind you, instead of the English guy that LOOKS like your twin brother in the seat beside you. This is not a joke. You would be surprised to find out whose DNA is most like your own. People who look at 2 or 3 things on a human and think they have it all figured out. Just because you have different hair color or height or even gender doesn’t mean that you don’t have more in common geneticly than that of someone who just LOOKS different on the outside. You’re just scraping the surface when you look that shallow. Look a little deeper. Go heavy.
One more thing - whoever said that fitzpatrick is a French-Norman name please note that FitzPatrick spelled with the capital “P” is the only Fitz surname of gaelic origin. I beg you to challenge me on this.
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Errr thats me… Hope this is not a challenge of combat.
In my post (page 1) i said that my friend who was with me stated the fitzpatrick bit(he’s a historian).
I don’t know how she spelt her name.
Plus the ultimate point was that the lady was Australian and making a fuss (bugging us, would’nt leave us alone,imposing on our space etc)about it.
I’ve travelled a bit but never make a fuss of where i’m from - people reckon we’re LEPrecons and are after our gold.
My surname is Anglo-Saxon and derived from french but i’m still irish.
What is irish heritage anyway - a yearning for potatoes and alcohol? (joke) - for me its family,hard work ethic and faith - but surely these are specific to family who’ve passed that on and kids who’ve listened - same as anywhere else in the world.
I’d like to hear what you think.
Anyway below is some info regarding the prefix though i don’t think we actually have a disagreement.
Prefix,origin etc.
In ancient Ireland, there were no fixed surnames. A man was known as the
the “son of” his father’s first name. Occasionally a man would be known by his grandfather’s name (by the word O) if his grandfather was
especially noteworthy. Around the twelfth century, most all of Europe
and England adopted standardized surnames. Irish families did the same.
The other distinctively Irish prefix is Fitz, as in Fitzgerald or
FitzAlan. This is a Norman French prefix, brought to Ireland by the
Normans who previously had lived in England. It is derived from the
French word fils, meaning “son of”. Therefore, Fitz and Mac mean about
the same and were interchangeable at one time.
ONE NATION IN IRON, OF THE DEADLIFT, FOR THE SQUAT AGAINST THE TYRANNY OF THE LACKLUSTRE WORKOUT DUM DUM DUUMMMM!
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
I think the judgement of how "Irish "you are should be in your drinking ability. My best friend Larry Caskey is 100% “Irish” or “Irish-American” and he was born in Kentucky. Larry could down a Guinnes like it was water. This man I saw funnel Vodka…
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If that is the case I should change my name to Patty FitzPatrick
