[quote]Rockscar wrote:
1/4 Irish
1/4 French
1/4 Italian
1/4 Polish
Let the flames begin.[/quote]
I’ll start. That must’ve been quite an orgy 
Me - Polish parents and I was born and lived in South Africa up until 6 months ago - now I’m living in London.
My grandmother was born in Ireland (Londonderry), she was a war bride.
What if you weren’t born in a country but you have citizenship? E.g. Born in Canada and have Irish citizenship? Does this make you at all Irish? Just wondering what the euro-experts have to say about this.
Belfast…please keep the north/south thing out of this thread. There’s plenty of that shit at home.
Lots of interesting points.
Lets be friends and from now on our nationality is T-Nation - the Brotherhood of Iron!!
What’s with all the lads from Belfast are there billboards for T-Nation up there or something?
Anyway I’m from Cork, Ireland and I couldn’t give a toss if Americans are proud of their heritage, that’s their business. I don’t see the problem with it.
100% Irish, born here, bred here and will die here.
Now who the fuck is blabbering on about people losing identity?
Wise up
Its nothing of the sort, its a deep respect for ones heritage, ancestry, religion (in some cases) and family.
Lost identity me arse.
I really have to laugh - its rich someone from England here spouting about identity when every country they went to the tried to eradicate the native culture.
Imagine what the US would be like if there was no War Independence … you’d have the Queen!!
[quote]helga wrote:
Ryu wrote:
When i was in australia a woman kept harping on and on that she was irish 'cause of her grandparents blah blah blah “fitzpatrick - thats a good irish name” she said, my friend replied “actually its french-norman” - end of conversation. Theres probably very little pure blood left in the world what with maurauding armies invading etc etc.
rant over.
I am the exact opposite. I was born in Australia but I am the first Australian in a very long line of english. I keep getting told by everybody that this makes me english. After they recover from the beating that I give them for calling me a pom (sometimes I like to use the tail of a dead kangaroo to flog them with just to illustrate the point) I kindly remind them that I was born in Australia and I am Australian.[/quote]
I wouldn’t blame you for not wanting to be called a Pom either
Dads parents Irish, mother Scottish.
Too many.
50%. My mother came from Galway. Agnes Elizabeth O’Shaughnessy. Then she married a Limey and I popped out!
We’re all African!
If you want to trace your ancestry so you can claim a certain heritage, might as well go back to the real beginning.
[quote]no23 wrote:
helga wrote:
Ryu wrote:
When i was in australia a woman kept harping on and on that she was irish 'cause of her grandparents blah blah blah “fitzpatrick - thats a good irish name” she said, my friend replied “actually its french-norman” - end of conversation. Theres probably very little pure blood left in the world what with maurauding armies invading etc etc.
rant over.
I am the exact opposite. I was born in Australia but I am the first Australian in a very long line of english. I keep getting told by everybody that this makes me english. After they recover from the beating that I give them for calling me a pom (sometimes I like to use the tail of a dead kangaroo to flog them with just to illustrate the point) I kindly remind them that I was born in Australia and I am Australian.
I wouldn’t blame you for not wanting to be called a Pom either[/quote]
Cheeky bastard.
[quote]tpa wrote:
My grandmother was born in Ireland (Londonderry), she was a war bride.
What if you weren’t born in a country but you have citizenship? E.g. Born in Canada and have Irish citizenship? Does this make you at all Irish? Just wondering what the euro-experts have to say about this.
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Euro Expert Mick says shes canadian with Irish citizenship.
The end.
Another one here.
On the topic of knowing your exact heritage & extracting pride from it… why not? Some people take it to extremes, but to be honest I’m more bothered by people who get really upset because an American claims to be of ‘insert country here’ descent. What difference does it make to you?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This may be just my drunken thinking side taking over, but deal with it…
We don’t feel American because we aren’t “American”. the men who founded this country hated my kind all around. I’m Italian and Irish, and Catholic. There isn’t much more that the founding fathers disliked than a loyal Catholic.
My girlfriend, for instance, has a direct relative that signed the Declaration of Independence. He was English and protestant, and held land in Pennsylvania since this country was made. When you compare that with my family, it’s no wonder that I think of myself as “different from her”.
To me, you can’t compare a WASP signer of the DOI with someone who’s grandparents came over from Italy forty years ago. We aren’t the same people, we don’t have the same customs, and we don’t identify with the same things. Hell, the religion alone is enough to cause a stir in my family.
Americans are different. No one even believes I have any Irish in me because I look so Italian. When people think of “American” they might think of the tall blond kids, or, for all I know, Kentuckians with ten foot rifles. What I do know is that if I went to Italy, they’d speak Italian to me, even though I’m a mix of several different nationalities.
Yet, we are all “Americans”. That is the wonderful part about this country, that we have literally inherited the huddled masses yearning to breath free. I guess its one of those things that you have to be here to experience.[/quote]
If i compare myself to an upper class. privately educated polo playing fella on the UK’s rich list we are apples and oranges. However, we are both still English and thats that.
Your and your girl are still americans. Like i said to whats his name earlier in the thread - time will tell. You cannot possibly hold onto these romantic ideals of the ‘old world’ for many more generations.
I am simply expressing my opinion here and dont want to get into conflict with people who think im insulting their heritage, but if its decades and sometimes hundreds of years old - just move the fuck on.
Your Americans and i love your women.
[quote]supermick wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote
If someone asked me what my nationality was… am I supposed to say American?
Yes. [/quote]
Ha. I agree completely. I’m an American mutt, like most people I know. Mostly German, Irish and Scottish ancestry, but who the hell knows how much of each - and what else - has been blended into the pot?
However, I tell my daughter that she’s super Irish 'cause she was conceived on St. Patty’s Day. I figure that’s gotta count for something.
[quote]t-ha wrote:
Another one here.
On the topic of knowing your exact heritage & extracting pride from it… why not? Some people take it to extremes, but to be honest I’m more bothered by people who get really upset because an American claims to be of ‘insert country here’ descent. What difference does it make to you?[/quote]
It doesnt,
Were just expressing opinions. This is mine.
[quote]supermick wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
This may be just my drunken thinking side taking over, but deal with it…
We don’t feel American because we aren’t “American”. the men who founded this country hated my kind all around. I’m Italian and Irish, and Catholic. There isn’t much more that the founding fathers disliked than a loyal Catholic.
My girlfriend, for instance, has a direct relative that signed the Declaration of Independence. He was English and protestant, and held land in Pennsylvania since this country was made. When you compare that with my family, it’s no wonder that I think of myself as “different from her”.
To me, you can’t compare a WASP signer of the DOI with someone who’s grandparents came over from Italy forty years ago. We aren’t the same people, we don’t have the same customs, and we don’t identify with the same things. Hell, the religion alone is enough to cause a stir in my family.
Americans are different. No one even believes I have any Irish in me because I look so Italian. When people think of “American” they might think of the tall blond kids, or, for all I know, Kentuckians with ten foot rifles. What I do know is that if I went to Italy, they’d speak Italian to me, even though I’m a mix of several different nationalities.
Yet, we are all “Americans”. That is the wonderful part about this country, that we have literally inherited the huddled masses yearning to breath free. I guess its one of those things that you have to be here to experience.
If i compare myself to an upper class. privately educated polo playing fella on the UK’s rich list we are apples and oranges. However, we are both still English and thats that.
Your and your girl are still americans. Like i said to whats his name earlier in the thread - time will tell. You cannot possibly hold onto these romantic ideals of the ‘old world’ for many more generations.
I am simply expressing my opinion here and dont want to get into conflict with people who think im insulting their heritage, but if its decades and sometimes hundreds of years old - just move the fuck on.
Your Americans and i love your women.[/quote]
I’m not arguing at all. Jus thinking out loud.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
We’re all African!
If you want to trace your ancestry so you can claim a certain heritage, might as well go back to the real beginning.
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Don’t go there… that’s a whole other topic. That is not proven. That is another theory. There are claims that the oldest living origin of the species is a female skull from Ethiopia.
Another claim from Neanderthal Germany of the oldest skull, but that is an extinct species. And numerous other claims. The idea that man evolved out of Africa is just that, an idea. Nobody knows shit yet. They’re all just guessing. That’s like asking whose God was here first.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
carter12 wrote:
We’re all African!
If you want to trace your ancestry so you can claim a certain heritage, might as well go back to the real beginning.
Don’t go there… that’s a whole other topic. That is not proven. That is another theory. There are claims that the oldest living origin of the species is a female skull from Ethiopia.
Another claim from Neanderthal Germany of the oldest skull, but that is an extinct species. And numerous other claims. The idea that man evolved out of Africa is just that, an idea. Nobody knows shit yet. They’re all just guessing. That’s like asking whose God was here first.
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Ours you bloody philistine. lol