Im running a 12 week cycle of test prop at 60mg ed and 10 weeks of tren at 50mg ed,about half way through im adding in masteron and winstrol as well, my goal is to keep most of my muscle from my bulking cycle but lose some fat (I’m probably around 13% right now) How low would you guys go with carbs to keep the muscle?
Zero Carbs. Works for me.
[quote]thetruepitbull wrote:
Zero Carbs. Works for me.[/quote]
Zero Cabs and you dont loose muscle…I doubt it. Maybe if you did it for one week only.
On a 12 week cut cycle of 420mg test and 350 mg tren I wouldnt go too low with the carbs.
The lower you go for longer the more chance of loosing muscle/strength.
Depends on your own body, weight, how advanced you are and what ur body can handle and how much cardio you do.
Considering your lean Id prolly say start at 100gram total carbs and adjust up/down as required for results.
And space the carbs out throughout the day, thats the most important I believe. Low gi too.
IMO depends from person to person. I’m literally on roughly 10 grams/day and doing just fine
Not all 16 weeks are 0 carbs. But for the 4 to 6 weeks, yes. With one carbup/refeed day a week.
And I didn’t say I don’t loose any muscle. During that time I try to preserve what I have.
It’s trial and error.
[quote]thetruepitbull wrote:
Not all 16 weeks are 0 carbs. But for the 4 to 6 weeks, yes. With one carbup/refeed day a week.
And I didn’t say I don’t loose any muscle. During that time I try to preserve what I have.
It’s trial and error.[/quote]
The op asked in the first thread, How low would we go with carbs to keep the muscle
Ok. I was just being a bit of a jackass.
Try carb cycling. High, medium, low (or zero) carb days.
Personally, I wouldn’t go zero carbs, but lower them. Zero carbs for when you want to be sub 8%.
I place my carbs pre and post-workout, and get the rest of your calories from fat and protein. So, if I workout in the morning I won’t have any carbs for the remainder of the day as your insulin sensitivity decreases throughout the day.
Start your carbs at a level your comfortable with, say 150g(high), 100g(med), and 50g(low). And adjust as needed.
Make sure you have enough protein and fat in your diet and you should be fine.
Alright thanks alot guys,I’m prolly going to go 0 carbs for about a week cuz I’m pretty sure I can get away with it,Ive been doing sub 50 carbs (a few days were 0) for two weeks and I’ve definetly lost fat but gained 3 pounds haha
If you want to go zero then do it, but I would advise against it.
zero carbs works fine, your body will go into ketosis and use its fat supplies for energy.
However, if you cycle your carbs high on the heavy workout days and low on non-training/cardio days that would be better.
But if you choose to cycle your carbs depending on activity level, you shouldnt cut the carbs all the way on non-workout days because it takes several days before your body reaches ketosis. 100-120g carb on non-workout days, 200+ on workout days would be a good alternative, but its all depending on bodyweight and bf%.
That’s what I’m doing at the moment. I have ~ 100g at breakfast, and then ~ 200g before and during training. I don’t think I could go zero-carb though, I’d feel wiped out.
I definetly like actually eating carbs better…but to be honest I don’t lose any fat when doing that,im just goin with what works for me, I wish eating 300 carbs a day while cutting worked for me lol but it doesnt
When do you have your carbs? Do you eat them with most meals?
I have experimented with both higher-carb (150g carbs workout/70grams non-workout days) cycling and low-carb cycling, and got better results by far from low carbing it (ie. 20g pre + post workout, and none at others times of the day or on non-workout days, with a refeed every 2 weeks or so).
I think it depends alot of an individuals degree of carb tolerance; im pretty intolerant and tend to put on weight/fat quickly if I eat alot of carbs
Rational Gaze:
You should focus your carb intake after workout. If you feel that you have no energy without carbs before a workout session you can eat em ofcourse. We are all different, do what you feel is right. But many experts say that the main calorie intake should be after training, thus living you with 20-30% calorie intake before training. What you do with em is up to you.