I did a cycle of test 400mg/week and deca 500mg per week. like a dumbass, i also added nolvadex ontop of the deca which was higher than the test, real no-no… so uh…
How long does deca shut you down? Its been 4 months and I am still really really shutdown.
4 months doesn’t sound good.
Anyone with some real info wanna fill in?
What did you run for PCT, do you mean four months since youve been “off”? some rigorous PCT could be in order
I’ve been off everything. Still no sex drive… i can get it up but have no interest to, and my intensity in the gym is shit nothing. I did a typical clomid pct… 3 weeks long, 50 mg a day.
I think i screwed myself with the massive deca dose and then adding some fucking nolvadex to make TONS of prolactin. im lucky i didnt get gyno!
I think Altered or someone with a great knowledge of this situation can probably help you out, but the first thought that comes to my mind is a HCG+Clomid post cycle therapy cycle, run as soon as possible.
[quote]superbeast22 wrote:
I’ve been off everything. Still no sex drive… i can get it up but have no interest to, and my intensity in the gym is shit nothing. I did a typical clomid pct… 3 weeks long, 50 mg a day.
I think i screwed myself with the massive deca dose and then adding some fucking nolvadex to make TONS of prolactin. im lucky i didnt get gyno![/quote]
I think your PCT did you in, a 3 week PCT at 50mg/day just don’t seem right in my book. If I was going to do a SERM PCT for some unknown reason, I subscribe to the stasis(possible bridge in my book)/taper protocol as a proper PCT for my upcoming cycle, I would taper Nolva for 4 weeks. Running HCG prior to the taper mind you. DISCLAIMER: I’m basing my knowledge on my book knowledge. I have no hands on experience so take my advice at your own risk. I will not be held liable. I would get bloodwork done and hopefully score a script.
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
I think Altered or someone with a great knowledge of this situation can probably help you out, but the first thought that comes to my mind is a HCG+Clomid post cycle therapy cycle, run as soon as possible.[/quote]
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IDK what to say guys! at least I still have a beautiful gf 
[quote]superbeast22 wrote:
at least I still have a beautiful gf :)[/quote]
Better start getting it up soon then bro
i can get it up… i just dont want to… i mean i dont find any girls attractive… i do, but i dont. i see a beautiful girl and im like eh. i read something kinda similar happening to some fellow over at bb.com…
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[quote]superbeast22 wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
I think Altered or someone with a great knowledge of this situation can probably help you out, but the first thought that comes to my mind is a HCG+Clomid post cycle therapy cycle, run as soon as possible.
PM was sent to bushy.
IDK what to say guys! at least I still have a beautiful gf :)[/quote]
Hey man, I’ve been in your place. You still have your hands, tongue, and your mind. Worked for me when I killed my mojo.
Take some Viagra.
You will feel like if you DON’T have sex, you’re going to DIE.
Just make sure you’ll be around some hot females that put out, within an hour, or have some lotion and a water bottle and a towel ready to go.
And the towel is for your profuse sweating from overexertion.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
superbeast22 wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
I think Altered or someone with a great knowledge of this situation can probably help you out, but the first thought that comes to my mind is a HCG+Clomid post cycle therapy cycle, run as soon as possible.
PM was sent to bushy.
IDK what to say guys! at least I still have a beautiful gf
Hey man, I’ve been in your place. You still have your hands, tongue, and your mind. Worked for me when I killed my mojo. [/quote]
Yeah. Gonna have to… I cant last NEAR as long as I usually can.
So nobody has a proper “rehab” PCT protocol for this guy? I wouldn’t know what to do at this point, as I don’t have any experience with 19-nor shutdown (did mine right, thank God). And book knowledge tends to leave out these kinds of situations. I’m really curious as to what some of the more knowledgeable members of this forum would recommend in this case.
In other words: BUMP!
This is the proper advice. Until you know what your current hormone levels are it would be illadvised to take advice that may or may not work.
I’m also not sure what that talk is about nolvadex making the problem worse or what it has to do with prolactin or how that could have possibly made gyno worse. I’ve only heard of nolvadex used for preventing/halting gyno, never as part of the cause. Care to elaborate?
Maybe you need to just do a test enanthate stasis/taper now.
Run 100mg a week of test for six or so weeks, then taper off like the prescribed test taper protocol, incorporating nolvadex during the last four weeks. If anything, it could temporarily bring up your sex drive.
Alternatively, you could run the taper longer, allowing your body longer to recover from the shut down.
I’m curious - have your testes plumped back up yet?
And how long was your cycle?
The severe shutdown from 19-nor’s are from the elevated prolactin. Controling estradiol will only partially fix the problem.
I’d recommend Cabergoline(tabs not liquid) at 0.5mg twice per week, while keeping estradiol levels in check. That should get things back to normal after a month or so.
Ideally you should be starting this prior to PCT.
You may want to taper from 100mg test per week to make the transition easier, or add some proviron to the mix.
[quote]Dopa wrote:
The severe shutdown from 19-nor’s are from the elevated prolactin. Controling estradiol will only partially fix the problem.
I’d recommend Cabergoline(tabs not liquid) at 0.5mg twice per week, while keeping estradiol levels in check. That should get things back to normal after a month or so.
Ideally you should be starting this prior to PCT.
You may want to taper from 100mg test per week to make the transition easier, or add some proviron to the mix.[/quote]
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Listen to Dopa.
The guy has been off test for 4 months.
Read that again.
Off test for 4 months.
And you guys are telling him to do a fucking taper? Taper from what? He’s already shut down with very little, if any, exogenous test left in his system. You can’t fucking taper down from what you don’t have to begin with.
Get back on the test - and stay on it until you feel normal again - THEN start the taper, or at least do a decent PCT.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The guy has been off test for 4 months.
Read that again.
Off test for 4 months.
And you guys are telling him to do a fucking taper? Taper from what? He’s already shut down with very little, if any, exogenous test left in his system. You can’t fucking taper down from what you don’t have to begin with.
Get back on the test - and stay on it until you feel normal again - THEN start the taper, or at least do a decent PCT.
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This sounds like the most rational approach to me, as well. Intuitively, obviously, as I have no business offering advice here.
As much as I hate doctors and their advice/rants about AAS it may be time to visit one. At least to get the hormone levels checked.
Getting on the test again like RJ suggested would help you for now and perhaps after a solid PCT you can get back on track. At least it makes the most sense to me at this point.
No matter what advice you take please update this thread as you are probably not the only one who has faced this problem.