The doctors in Hawaii are useless. One of them was telling me body builders are stupid for taking hgh and test to get bigger and if they just took tribulus and dhea they would be twice the size. I have a hard time believing this as the guy is like 130 lbs and was bragging about his strength.
On a side note… yeah, balls are still shrunken. sperm count is shit.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
The guy has been off test for 4 months.
Read that again.
Off test for 4 months.
And you guys are telling him to do a fucking taper? Taper from what? He’s already shut down with very little, if any, exogenous test left in his system. You can’t fucking taper down from what you don’t have to begin with.
Get back on the test - and stay on it until you feel normal again - THEN start the taper, or at least do a decent PCT. [/quote]
If you’re referring to me, I suggested he run a stasis for six weeks (or so), at 100mg week. Then taper off that for an extended period.
I third that… run 100mg of cyp/enan for a period… 6-8 weeks, then taper off that dropping 10mg per week right down to 10mg/wk.
During the stasis run a small amount of HCG, and knock it off by the taper. Maybe 50iu a day, or 100-150iu 3x/wk. This should get the testes working… when you start the taper, begin nolvadex immediately, with the last hcg shot the last day of stasis… this SHOULD help the testes to be active with minimal suppression to the HP(TA) at the same time… we hope.
Use 20mg of nolvadex throughout the taper and continue it for a couple weeks after the taper finishes.
Look into using a little caber, as i have suspected that the people who get severely shutdown by deca are sensitive to the prolactin. this would totally explain the un-interest in sex and women.
Use cialis during the stasis and taper if necessary, but just viagra or cialis alone wont do shit… that is bad advice.
If you have to, use a little proviron after the taper if you have no sex drive (still likely, but there is more hope it will return quicker than if left alone with no PCT), but i wouldnt recommend it - there is no evidence to suggest it isnt inhibitory when one is already shutdown…
I have the same issues from deca - thus i dont use it any more.
Remember, if you really sensitive to deca then this could last a long time, at it is re-esterified often over the following months of discontinuation.
After the taper, keep on with the cialis, use a little proviron if necessary, nolvadex for a couple weeks and maybe some horny goat weed and tribulus too.
This is similar to something i have done, and is what i am going to use in the future too.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Remember, if you really sensitive to deca then this could last a long time, at it is re-esterified often over the following months of discontinuation.
[/quote]
Do you have a link for proof of this? A man made chemical being broken down by the boy, and then reconstructed into its previous man-made state?
I have never heard of this before, and google turns up nothing.
I will have a look, i have read it in a couple of places i think.
It is stored in the adipose tissue readily and is easily re-esterified - that is what i remember reading… bill roberts i think…
I’ll have a look.
It isnt re-esterified, you are right. But it is this i meant -
“…Esterified compounds have a high affinity to stay stored in fatty tissues. While we can accurately estimate the time frame it will take for a given dose to enter circulation from an injection site, we cannot know for sure that 100% of the steroid will have been metabolized at any given point. Small amounts may indeed be stubborn in leaving fatty tissue, particularly after heavy, longer-term use. Some quantity of nandrolone decanoate may therefore be left to sporadically enter into the blood stream many months after use…”
From:
steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/16/
Deca-Durabolin%C2%AE_(nandrolone_decanoate).html
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
It isnt re-esterified, you are right. But it is this i meant -
“…Esterified compounds have a high affinity to stay stored in fatty tissues. While we can accurately estimate the time frame it will take for a given dose to enter circulation from an injection site, we cannot know for sure that 100% of the steroid will have been metabolized at any given point. Small amounts may indeed be stubborn in leaving fatty tissue, particularly after heavy, longer-term use. Some quantity of nandrolone decanoate may therefore be left to sporadically enter into the blood stream many months after use…”
From:
steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/16/
Deca-Durabolin%C2%AE_(nandrolone_decanoate).html
JJ[/quote]
That’s not what you said.
And this is why you never cease to validate my opinion that you and certain others have turned this forum to shit.
Oh go fuck yourself cunt.
any little chance you get - i am tired of your whining bitch.
Save it for someone who cares.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Oh go fuck yourself cunt.
any little chance you get - i am tired of your whining bitch.
Save it for someone who cares.[/quote]
I figured you would come back with something like that. Never mind apologizing, or admitting you gave bad advice/information for the umpteenth fucking time. Never mind manning up to your mistake. Never mind the fact you weren’t even fucking close to the truth on your first attempt.
Just cuss me, and tell me to shut the fuck up - when you are the one spreading untruths - and only then when you are called on it.
You are fucking piece of shit.
Like I said - you never cease to validate my opinion of you.
But if you want to go there - I’ll gladly go with you. You were reduced to a pile of sniveling shit the last time you decided to try and grow a nut, just like your rim-job friend. This is your problem - you don’t know when shut the fuck up and leave - and as you say in your post, you don’t care.
You have been proven to be less than honest with your accounts, you make shit up and hope no one calls you on it, and when found to be wrong, you can’t even own up to it.
This forum is already in the shitter with your stupid fucking posts littering the place like shit-filled pampers in a WalMart parking lot, so it really makes no fucking difference to me anymore what happens to this forum.
You are indeed a fucking piece of shit.
can we all just get along?
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
can we all just get along?
[/quote]
Not until the piece of shit learns to admit to his mistakes and apologize for being more mouth than brain. When I fuck up - I ALWAYS post an apology immediately after being shown.
The piece of shit has no class, and can’t stand to be wrong. Why else would he not admit to it?
It’s really sad that no one in this forum holds the piece of shit to any standard. I don’t want to get along if it means allowing the piece of shit to continue spewing bullshit, and never admitting to being wrong when it is shown to him in black and white.
does this mean Brook will join me in the “Tough Cunt Club” there RJ?
if it was anybody else jack, i would have.
If you had the slightest bit of decency about you, then i would have.
If you werent such a motherfucking in-bred, who takes cheap shots then i would have…
And if you had the slightest bit of class i would continue to explain my post. But you dont, so i wont GRACE you with any details to my posts.
Again, it is my own fault for thinking i could reply anything to you and it not result in you flaming me with some pathetic, underhand, cheap shot… my mistake - i forgot what a fucking prick you are.
Miserable fuck! Jesus christ.
Fuck this BS you bitch, you can rant to whoever is stupid enough to listen, because you wont get much more out of moi.
Go get laid you useless, fat cunt.
I am getting some ethanate and sus… and some dbol to get me going cuz dbol makes me happy… 
[quote] Brook wrote:
if it was anybody else jack, i would have.
If you had the slightest bit of decency about you, then i would have.
If you werent such a motherfucking in-bred, who takes cheap shots then i would have…
And if you had the slightest bit of class i would continue to explain my post. But you dont, so i wont GRACE you with any details to my posts.
Again, it is my own fault for thinking i could reply anything to you and it not result in you flaming me with some pathetic, underhand, cheap shot… my mistake - i forgot what a fucking prick you are.
Miserable fuck! Jesus christ.
Fuck this BS you bitch, you can rant to whoever is stupid enough to listen, because you wont get much more out of moi.
Go get laid you useless, fat cunt.[/quote]
I did not treat you badly. I asked you to back up your statement - with no accusatory tone whatsoever. You were the one who had the chance to be a man, but decided to be a fucking piece of shit. Not that I was surprised - you have chosen the piece of shit route since you began posting on this website.
Tell me what’s classless about not wanting a piece of shit posting with no regard to the truth? If that’s your definition, I would take the classless guy all day long over a piece of shit like you.
All you had to do was own up to your fucking mistake. You can’t even do that.
You have said on countless occasions, in one way or another, that you are done replying to me and you have yet to keep your word.
Maybe this time will be the one time you actually stand by your word.
You tell me I take cheap shots - then proceed to call me inbred, and a fat fuck, and tell me to get laid.
I could spend an entire fucking day making fun of your light-weight more-talk-than-action physique. I could be like your rim-job pal, and go off on wild, personal insult tangents in an effort to make me feel more like a man. But I don’t. My dislike of you has been single-tracked since you began posting. I don’t need to talk about how ugly, fat, and unfuckable you must be - I have the truth.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
can we all just get along?
[/quote]
pussy.
This is the INTERNET.
It’s where we separate the boys from the men.
the INTERNET: Where one can play GOD! Bow before my knowledge and kiss the tip of my penis for I am kind and will spare you from my Internet tough guy verbal assault!
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
the INTERNET: Where one can play GOD! Bow before my knowledge and kiss the tip of my penis for I am kind and will spare you from my Internet tough guy verbal assault! [/quote]
Or, in your case, be the little prick your mother won’t let you be.
thats right, there Chiefy! coming from personal experience eh?