thanks brook
i got what you say.
Yes, that bodypart of mine (arms) are like beginner’s. I can train them often while that s not the case for other bodyparts.
yes i know the strength gains are neural .
For example i have all-american vertical jump,squat, and all-state deads (cuz of wrist strength lack) and bench.
so my poundages are really good except for arms.
But doesn’t an increased mind-muscle connection means better neural effiency so better motor unit recruitment??
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It does - but it is ‘newbie gains’ - Literally EVERYONE who starts training gets them. It isnt about success of a system… JMO though.
Well i certainly am not a newbie.
But I am sure when i continue to improve this until my next cycle (about 2.5 months away), then i will have normal growth response from them right??
Or is there any theory saying that my arms will try to catch up with rest of my body, so this will mean faster than average grow until they even. If body wont allow so much disproportional growth theory is true???
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[quote]dallasused wrote:
Well i certainly am not a newbie.
But I am sure when i continue to improve this until my next cycle (about 2.5 months away), then i will have normal growth response from them right??
Or is there any theory saying that my arms will try to catch up with rest of my body, so this will mean faster than average grow until they even. If body wont allow so much disproportional growth theory is true???
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I had this problem. My first few years of training, my arms were not up to par with my torso and legs, just not at all. I had a great squat and deadlift (about 500 each), but my bench was lacking as well as curls (not quite as bad). I don’t remember what I did, but I switched up my training and my chest and arms exploded within a year. Bench went up by about 50% and all was good.
There is truth to your body not allowing itself to become disproportional. When I had the above problem where my arms were lacking (and chest), my deadlift and squat stopped improving, as did my pull-ups, rows, and any other back/leg exercise. I focused on chest, doubling the volume and doing anything I could do get them stronger. Then once those started to move, my squat and deadlift continued to move as well (and my leg and back size). Pull-up weight increased, row weight increased, and again, all was good. 
Best Daddy Ever
Then your past problem is very close to mine.
So you only doubled the volume for chest and arms and they exploded did i read it right???
I wold appreciate more info, man.
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[quote]dallasused wrote:
Best Daddy Ever
Then your past problem is very close to mine.
So you only doubled the volume for chest and arms and they exploded did i read it right???
I wold appreciate more info, man.
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I’ll post about this later. Now I have to go to a meeting.
[quote]dallasused wrote:
Well i certainly am not a newbie.
But I am sure when i continue to improve this until my next cycle (about 2.5 months away), then i will have normal growth response from them right??
Or is there any theory saying that my arms will try to catch up with rest of my body, so this will mean faster than average grow until they even. If body wont allow so much disproportional growth theory is true???
thanks[/quote]
Really? I apologise then - you did come across as one tho!
How long you been training serious then?
I think to decide it we have to look on poundages. I dont believe truly in years. Although i am considered novice for weights, i have left 11 years of pro sports career behind me at a young age.
As I have said, my arms might be considered as a newbie bodypart. That’s it.
lol in this thread, everything except the title subject is being argued
Because it is a question that is impossible to answer…
If you train smart, eat smart and recover smart - then SOME are retainable…
what kind of answer do you need?
Pro? Respect. What sport, if you dont mind me asking?
It is basketball (keep in mind that by the word pro, i meant national level competitiveness since very early age) but I dont want to get in arguement because of that. For example why do i need to cycle, why do i want bigger arms of something like that.
As i have said, I have All-American and All-state qualities. I just aim to improve them. And I am disturbed by the vision created by my arms. CT wrote it in one of his articles what big arms can do in football. It kinda holds true for me for bball.
I still believe MOST of it can be retainable . If not, what would be the purpose of AAS for strength sports??
We will find an exact answer within 1-1.5 months. I will see how much I can get my squat close to cycle levels. Right now i am regaining the lost strength. I have added 5 more kg to the bar yesterday
Well - it isnt usual for a strength athlete to use once, then leave them alone - retaining all the strength.
Usually when someone dopes - it is for a full season, or a number of full seasons…
Plus i will point out to you, you could have played any sport for 50 years - if you never did weight training to any real level, then you are by all means a newbie. Dont take it as an insult, but be aware that one doesnt enter into anything new knowing a whole deal… a football player wouldnt call himself intermediate in regards to playing tennis bacause he has played football for so long…
And a basketball player doesnt get to call himself ‘not-a newb’ in weight training as he has been an active sportsman for a number of years…
I am saying ‘Weight-training’ and not ‘Bodybuilding’ here, as it isnt what you are wanting to do. Just to make that clear.
In relation to your post - IS regaining lost strength retention of strength gains? Or is it naturally progressing? There is argument for saying that once one uses - then strength and size is HARDER to come by.
This isnt likely to be answered here as it is an ongoing debate between the natural and juiced athletes - what exactly ARE the long term benefits?
Also, i hope you arent suggesting that if you manage to BUILD UP TO the same level you were at a while ago - then that somehow proves that 100% of strength gains can be kept?
It will have taken you x months to achieve that with aas, yet after cycle, it too x+y months! That isnt retention, by simple definition.
I have asked this same question a doctor who is also a bb’er some time ago.
He told me that I was totally gonna be fine after cycle. Cuz muscle growth isnt dependant only on test levels. There are so many things included. GH, IGF, MGF , MGF . insulin , mtor pathways, Glut … stuff which i dont remember much so i dont agree with that. Unless you use all kind of drugs (all kind of growth factors), you will grow no problem. You might not be able to get good reaction from test but there are so many others.
plus long time ago there was a research indicating that rats grew muscle even with their testicles removed!!! this proves it well, too.
Yes , I am suggesting that. There is no way I can add 5 kg per training to my squat normally. It is just impossible at my level. And once these re-gains stop or slow down visuably, i will look at those numbers.
It wont take that long time because of “muscle memory” . For example I regained great amount of muscle last 2-3 weeks.
This just cannot happen normally. It is way faster, plus i havent finished my taper yet. Moreover my diet kinda sucks right now!!!
I am insisting that i will come close to during-cycle lifts in 1-1.5 months.
As I have said , right now I am not even using a powder or a multi plus I eat crap. Guess what would happen If i started to eat normally??
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Materails like test, igf-1, slin ,mgf ,pgf effects what we call growth. Materials besides the anabolic steroids are secreted life-long. If we came to a certain limit with testosterone, it will be hard to grow with natural test over time but GH, IGF-1 secretion still goes on. But if you use GH and also take these to limits, then yes natural GH wont be effective at all. But then natural igf-1 will still be effective and it goes like that. Growth is always open to you people like you. But people use test, igf , mgf, slin so they reach limits every way. You have only used 1 group.
This was the exact answer . I will prove this
Heck, even Prisoner added muscle naturally after his cycle. (2nd one as far as i recall) He ahd to stop cycle due to injury and lost good amount of muscle after that. When he came back not only he regained all of his muscles in short time but he went over that!!!
[quote]dallasused wrote:
I have asked this same question a doctor who is also a bb’er some time ago.
He told me that I was totally gonna be fine after cycle. Cuz muscle growth isnt dependant only on test levels. There are so many things included. GH, IGF, MGF , MGF . insulin , mtor pathways, Glut … stuff which i dont remember much so i dont agree with that. Unless you use all kind of drugs (all kind of growth factors), you will grow no problem. You might not be able to get good reaction from test but there are so many others.
plus long time ago there was a research indicating that rats grew muscle even with their testicles removed!!! this proves it well, too.
Yes , I am suggesting that. There is no way I can add 5 kg per training to my squat normally. It is just impossible at my level. And once these re-gains stop or slow down visuably, i will look at those numbers.
It wont take that long time because of “muscle memory” . For example I regained great amount of muscle last 2-3 weeks.
This just cannot happen normally. It is way faster, plus i havent finished my taper yet. Moreover my diet kinda sucks right now!!!
I am insisting that i will come close to during-cycle lifts in 1-1.5 months.
As I have said , right now I am not even using a powder or a multi plus I eat crap. Guess what would happen If i started to eat normally??
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You are still tapering? lmao!
just wait superman.
Also as for rats growing muscle with their bollocks removed - thats funny, cos i remember writing a post based on those exact experiments i read about a while back. This is the reason i believe my muscle loss post cycle isnt too bad at all.
What exactly IS ‘your level’?
Novice. I am not gonna talk about this more because it changes the whole topic.
Only 2 weeks left to go all natural. See, i am re-gaining back even while my not test production didn’t restore itself fully yet
plus there are tens of who juiced took 2-3 years break and had no problem. It is all about genetic limits. We sometimes shouldnt forget that not all of us are average. For ex. , I am very tall and have very wide structure. I guess I can very easily hold 220-225 lbs at low bf %, easily.
But average people are 8 inches shorter than me plus their structure definitely cant compare to mine. So they can get over their genetic limits very easily with AAS. But people like me needs at least years of juicing to get that.
That’s why most people lose much more than expected IMO. suddenly 5-8 person reaches 220 on cycle and after cycle they lose most of it and blame on the drug!
And please be MORE respectful with how you treat people, not only me. There are much better ways to explain! Keep your humours to yourself
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My god - YOU ARE ON EXO TEST STILL THOUGH!
I think i will stop talking to you, i have been disrespectful - its because i simply do not believe you deserve my respect.
A ‘pro’? 11 years ago… hmm. what were you, 8?
‘At my level’ what? Novice?
‘I am gaining SOO well even post cycle’ umm… you arent post cycle yet, chipper.
‘I am gaining without natty test recovered!!’ yea… thats right sparky - there is zero test in your system…
FFS.
Good luck with your above average genetics - that dictate you take longer to respond to drugs and training and it takes longer to get over your genetic hump… which mysteroiusly these days is a negative thing?
“But people like me (not all of us are average) needs at least years of juicing to get that…”
Brook
Yes, it will be much better if you stopped talking.
I am extremely sad about not deserving your respect. I might kill myself. I care that much, serious
I already told you the level , and the level i competed (i explained pro that way)
lol I am already at post cycle. PCT (POST-CYCLE-theraphy)
wwoow. Everytime i say something about that, always a 5-7 guy comes and act like that. I am sorry for that
Prisoner says that you can return to training hard after theraphy but not during. Because during is worst time to train for it. I said that I am gaining in the worst time.
Sure there is endegenous testo in my body.
We will SEE who is right after short time. Until that time, keep everything to yourself. So if you dont understand from being polite, just SHUT UP
Dont turn this into a drama.
JUST TO ADD
IF THE DISRECPECTFUL BEHAVIOR CONTINUE OR GETS STARTED BY ANYONE, I WONT RESPOND AND THE USER WILL IMMIDIATELY PUT TO “”“IGNORE LIST”“”.
I wont have to deal with anything this way. I will continue writing my recovery journey in this thread.
I will also add some good experineces about test tapering.
BestDaddyEver, I am waiting for your response when you have the time.
Thanks
[quote]getfast24 wrote:
Well, the point im trying to make, is that once you go above a certain number of reps (~6) moving the weight afap becomes almost useless because NS recruitment stagers to such an extent that the type 2 fibers are actually not being recruited efficiently[/quote]
Is there a rest time and total reps/set you can recommend for what you say??? Do you also agree with Chad on these??
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