[quote]hedo wrote:
Now back to Barbara Boxer. She is a clown. She rarely if ever has a grasp of the issue she so passionately tries to argue. Her “Assault Weapon” work was intensely comical and innacurate.
Condi gave it back to her, far more then she got. Boxer was way outmatched.[/quote]
hedo,
Here’s some of Condi, kicking Boxer’s ass.
I thought you’d like to hear some of it because apparently you missed the beginning, middle and end of the exchange, or did you get the two mixed up? They ARE both women, but one of them is black and the other is white… didn’t know if you picked up on that but that’s one way to tell them apart.
How DARE she bring up the truth in an open forum where people could hear her! I’ll bet she’s French, that would explain a lot.
And this of course, a perfect example - http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=18392
I define myself politically as someone who is insulted by the sheer arrogance of this administration to bold face lie to over 50% us just to BS the other half. Give me some semblance of an open, honest government that is slightly concerned about getting along with the rest of the world and getting serious about alternative energy sources. The ties that bind this administration to the oil industry will negate any serious discussion or thought of alternative energy sources. The level of corporatism currently in our government will absolutely doom this planet.
Condi/Boxer
And I think the way we should start is by trying to set the record straight on some of the things you said going into this war. Now, since 9/11 we’ve been engaged in a just fight against terror. And I, like Senator Feingold and everyone here who was in the Senate at the time, voted to go after Osama bin Laden and to go after the Taliban, and to defeat al Qaeda. And you say they have left territory – that’s not true. Your own documents show that al Qaeda has expanded from 45 countries in '01 to more than 60 countries today.
Well, with you in the lead role, Dr. Rice, we went into Iraq. I want to read you a paragraph that best expresses my views, and ask my staff if they would hold this up – and I believe the views of millions of Californians and Americans. It was written by one of the world’s experts on terrorism, Peter Bergen, five months ago. He wrote: “What we have done in Iraq is what bin Laden could not have hoped for in his wildest dreams: We invaded an oil-rich Muslim nation in the heart of the Middle East, the very type of imperial adventure bin Laden has long predicted was the U.S.'s long-term goal in the region. We deposed the secular socialist Saddam, whom bin Laden has long despised, ignited Sunni and Shi’a fundamentalist fervor in Iraq, and have now provoked a defensive jihad that has galvanized jihad- minded Muslims around the world. It’s hard to imagine a set of policies better designed to sabotage the war on terror.” This conclusion was reiterated last Thursday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director’s think tank, which released a report saying that Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of professionalized terrorists.
That’s your own administration’s CIA. NIC chairman Robert Hutchings said Iraq is, quote, “a magnet for international terrorist activity.”
And this was not the case in '01. And I have great proof of it, including a State Department document that lists every country – could you hold that up? – in which al Qaeda operated prior to 9/11. And you can see the countries; no mention of Iraq. And this booklet was signed off on by the president of the United States, George W. Bush. It was put out by George Bush’s State Department, and he signed it. There was no al Qaeda activity there – no cells.
Now, the war was sold to the American people, as Chief of Staff to President Bush Andy Card said, like a “new product.” Those were his words. Remember, he said, “You don’t roll out a new product in the summer.” Now, you rolled out the idea and then you had to convince the people, as you made your case with the president.
And I personally believe – this is my personal view – that your loyalty to the mission you were given, to sell this war, overwhelmed your respect for the truth. And I don’t say it lightly, and I’m going to go into the documents that show your statements and the facts at the time.
Now, perhaps the most well-known statement you’ve made was the one about Saddam Hussein launching a nuclear weapon on America with the image of, quote, quoting you, “a mushroom cloud.” That image had to frighten every American into believing that Saddam Hussein was on the verge of annihilating them if he was not stopped. And I will be placing into the record a number of such statements you made which have not been consistent with the facts.
As the nominee for secretary of State, you must answer to the American people, and you are doing that now through this confirmation process. And I continue to stand in awe of our founders, who understood that ultimately those of us in the highest positions of our government must be held accountable to the people we serve.
So I want to show you some statements that you made regarding the nuclear threat and the ability of Saddam to attack us. Now, September 5th – let me get to the right package here. On July 30th, 2003, you were asked by PBS NewsHour’s Gwen Ifill if you continued to stand by the claims you made about Saddam’s nuclear program in the days and months leading up to the war.
In what appears to be an effort to downplay the nuclear-weapons scare tactics you used before the war, your answer was, and I quote, “It was a case that said he was trying to reconstitute. He’s trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Nobody ever said that it was going to be the next year.” So that’s what you said to the American people on television – “Nobody ever said it was going to be the next year.”
Well, that wasn’t true, because nine months before you said this to the American people, what had George Bush said, President Bush, at his speech at the Cincinnati Museum Center? “If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy or steal an amount of highly-enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year.”
So the president tells the people there could be a weapon. Nine months later you said no one ever said he could have a weapon in a year, when in fact the president said it.
And here’s the real kicker. On October 10th, '04, on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, three months ago, you were asked about CIA Director Tenet’s remark that prior to the war he had, quote, "made it clear to the White House that he thought the nuclear-weapons program was much weaker than the program to develop other WMDs. Your response was this: “The intelligence assessment was that he was reconstituting his nuclear program; that, left unchecked, he would have a nuclear weapon by the end of the year.”
So here you are, first contradicting the president and then contradicting yourself. So it’s hard to even ask you a question about this, because you are on the record basically taking two sides of an issue. And this does not serve the American people. (Hmmm? Isn’t there a word for someone like that?)
If it served your purpose to downplay the threat of nuclear weapons, you said, “No one said he’s going to have it in a year.” But then later, when you thought that perhaps you were on more solid ground with the American people because at the time the war was probably popular, or more popular, you’d say, “We thought he was going to have a weapon within a year.”
And this is – the question is, this is a pattern here of what I see from you on this issue, on the issue of the aluminum tubes, on the issue of whether al Qaeda was actually involved in Iraq, which you’ve said many times. And in my rounds – I don’t have any questions on this round, because I’m just laying this out; I do have questions on further rounds about similar contradictions. It’s very troubling.
You know, if you were rolling out a new product like a can opener, who would care about what we said? But this product is a war, and people are dead and dying, and people are now saying they’re not going to go back because of what they experienced there. And it’s very serious.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7750.htm