SLiver, I certainly hope you don’t believe that Reg Park was a natural bodybuilder? -lol
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
SLiver, I certainly hope you don’t believe that Reg Park was a natural bodybuilder? -lol
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Google it, I believe he is drug free.
Larry Scott competed well before Reg Park, and he admitted after one of the AMerica/Universe contests that “all american bodybuilders were on steroids” (it’s in Rick Wayne’s book). To think that Reg achieved his developement, well after the widepsread use (legal at the time though) of D-bol,… well, I wouldn’t believe it. There’s a pic of him next to Arnold when Arnold beat him for some contest, and they look practically the same size (and Arnold had been juicing since he was like 14). I don’t want to take anything away from Park, I’m a big fan, but when he died, and his son made some ridiculous statement about his father always being natural, well, I think there was a collective groan from the entire fitness industry.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Larry Scott competed well before Reg Park, and he admitted after one of the AMerica/Universe contests that “all american bodybuilders were on steroids” (it’s in Rick Wayne’s book). To think that Reg achieved his developement, well after the widepsread use (legal at the time though) of D-bol,… well, I wouldn’t believe it. There’s a pic of him next to Arnold when Arnold beat him for some contest, and they look practically the same size (and Arnold had been juicing since he was like 14). I don’t want to take anything away from Park, I’m a big fan, but when he died, and his son made some ridiculous statement about his father always being natural, well, I think there was a collective groan from the entire fitness industry.
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Thanks for clarifying.
Old thread, but to clarify a few points…
Reg Park was Mr. Britain when when Larry Scott was 11 years old. He was active competitively from 1949 to 1973. In 1951 he won the Mr. Universe title at 215 pounds. In 1958 he won again at 214 pounds. In 1971 he took third in the Mr. Universe at 216 pounds. He certainly wasn’t on steroids in 1951 considering they weren’t ‘invented’ and released until 1956-58. He could have been taking testosterone - but considering the Soviets aren’t believed to have begun experimenting with it until 1952 and the U.S. Weightlifting team not until 1954, he would have been ahead of the world’s Olympic weightlifting team physicians (including Ziegler who himself later helped develop Dianabol). He would have had to have known about it, had the biochemical knowledge to recognize it’s potential, have access to what was then an experimental drug that was not even approved for prescription in the UK at that time, and have known how to take it effectively for ergogenic purposes (which even Ziegler and the initial group of York guinea pigs in 1954 did not, as they reported dismal results).
It is extremely unlikely that Park was ‘on anything’ until at least the late 1950s/early 1960s when the York team started and spread the word to Bodybuilding from there. However, Park’s all-time greatest condition is considered by most to be around the time of his guest posing at the 1957 Mr. USA (he bench pressed 500 in 1953). So if he did take steroids in the 1960s and/or '70s, when the rest of the world caught on, they didn’t do much for him.
Scaled for height and bone structure there’s no reason to conclude that Park was a user at any time in his career.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
Larry Scott competed well before Reg Park, and he admitted after one of the AMerica/Universe contests that “all american bodybuilders were on steroids” (it’s in Rick Wayne’s book). To think that Reg achieved his developement, well after the widepsread use (legal at the time though) of D-bol,… well, I wouldn’t believe it. There’s a pic of him next to Arnold when Arnold beat him for some contest, and they look practically the same size (and Arnold had been juicing since he was like 14). I don’t want to take anything away from Park, I’m a big fan, but when he died, and his son made some ridiculous statement about his father always being natural, well, I think there was a collective groan from the entire fitness industry.
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Thanks for clarifying.
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Can anyone verify that Arnold was taking juice when he first began training? I believe he began training at age fifteen.
[quote]Casey Butt wrote:
Old thread, but to clarify a few points…
Reg Park was Mr. Britain when when Larry Scott was 11 years old. He was active competitively from 1949 to 1973. In 1951 he won the Mr. Universe title at 215 pounds. In 1958 he won again at 214 pounds. In 1971 he took third in the Mr. Universe at 216 pounds. He certainly wasn’t on steroids in 1951 considering they weren’t ‘invented’ and released until 1956-58. He could have been taking testosterone - but considering the Soviets aren’t believed to have begun experimenting with it until 1952 and the U.S. Weightlifting team not until 1954, he would have been ahead of the world’s Olympic weightlifting team physicians (including Ziegler who himself later helped develop Dianabol). He would have had to have known about it, had the biochemical knowledge to recognize it’s potential, have access to what was then an experimental drug that was not even approved for prescription in the UK at that time, and have known how to take it effectively for ergogenic purposes (which even Ziegler and the initial group of York guinea pigs in 1954 did not, as they reported dismal results).
It is extremely unlikely that Park was ‘on anything’ until at least the late 1950s/early 1960s when the York team started and spread the word to Bodybuilding from there. However, Park’s all-time greatest condition is considered by most to be around the time of his guest posing at the 1957 Mr. USA (he bench pressed 500 in 1953). So if he did take steroids in the 1960s and/or '70s, when the rest of the world caught on, they didn’t do much for him.
Scaled for height and bone structure there’s no reason to conclude that Park was a user at any time in his career.
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Can I ask you a question or two?
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Why do you care so much? Honestly what happened that makes you so focused on limits and AAS use?
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Why the fuck did you bump this thread? To try and limit a few more poor souls out there? As if enough people weren’t already destined to never accomplish their true potential, lets add a few to the mix.
This is an awesome thread. When people say things are impossible I am encouraged and CT and prof X have some pretty funnie and interesting insights on the limits. I enjoy challenges.
Well isn’t CT at like 240 all natural now?
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Well isn’t CT at like 240 all natural now?[/quote]
CT isnt all natural, admitting to steroids back in the day, tho would pass the test and polygraphs now. But everything else about him is natural so dont take anything away from achieving wat he has.
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
Well isn’t CT at like 240 all natural now?[/quote]
Pretty much, barring the brief steroid use he talked about in his teen years.
CT would win quite a few top natural comps me thinks.
Casey Butt’s post was an interesting read.
I know wikipedia is not that accurate but Reg supposedly competed a full 13 years before Larry Scott.
I thought I read somewhere that Steve Reeves took AAS also and Steve was competing at the same time as Reg.
* 1946 - Mr. Pacific Coast[citation needed]
* 1947 - Mr. Western America[citation needed]
* 1947 - Mr. America
* 1950 - Mr. Universe[clarification needed]
http://regpark.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=54
Reg Park
* 1946 Mr Britain 4th
* 1949 Mr Britain 1st
* 1950 Best Developed Athlete in America - IFBB, Tall, 1st
* 1950 Best Developed Athlete in America - IFBB, Overall Winner Mr Europe
* 1950 Overall Winner Mr Universe - NABBA, Tall, 2nd
* 1951 Mr Universe - NABBA, Tall, 1st
* 1951 Mr Universe - NABBA, Overall Winner
* 1958 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 1st
* 1958 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
* 1965 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 1st
* 1965 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Overall Winner
* 1970 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 2nd
* 1971 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 3rd
* 1973 Mr Universe - Pro - NABBA, Tall, 2nd
Larry Scott
* 1959 Mr. Idaho, 1st
* 1960 Mr. California - AAU, Winner
* 1960 Mr. California - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
* 1960 Mr. Los Angeles - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd
* 1960 Mr. Los Angeles - AAU, 3rd
* 1961 Mr. Pacific Coast - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
* 1961 Mr. Pacific Coast - AAU, Winner
* 1962 Mr. America, Medium, 2 and Overall
* 1963 Mr. Universe, Medium, 1st
* 1964 Mr. Universe, Medium, 1st and Overall
* 1965 Mr. Olympia, 1st
* 1966 Mr. Olympia, 1st
* 1979 Canada Diamond Pro Cup, 9th
* 1979 Grand Prix Vancouver, Did not place
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
- Why the fuck did you bump this thread? To try and limit a few more poor souls out there? As if enough people weren’t already destined to never accomplish their true potential, lets add a few to the mix.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter, people who read a random article (doesn’t matter whether it’s accurate or not) and suddenly lose motivation in pursuing their dreams will never reach it in the first place. Those who read them and feel like they want to prove the article wrong are the ones who will reach their true potential.
[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Can anyone verify that Arnold was taking juice when he first began training? I believe he began training at age fifteen.
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Started training at 13, started taking oral steroids at 13, i have his first autobiography at home and read it once, from wat i remember he trained everyday. Even once when the gym was closed he got a ladder, smashed a window and people came in to find him training. He also said he took twice-to-three-times the amount of oral steroids as people in the gym.
[quote]Casey Butt wrote:
Old thread, but to clarify a few points…
Reg Park was Mr. Britain when when Larry Scott was 11 years old. He was active competitively from 1949 to 1973. In 1951 he won the Mr. Universe title at 215 pounds. In 1958 he won again at 214 pounds. In 1971 he took third in the Mr. Universe at 216 pounds. He certainly wasn’t on steroids in 1951 considering they weren’t ‘invented’ and released until 1956-58. He could have been taking testosterone - but considering the Soviets aren’t believed to have begun experimenting with it until 1952 and the U.S. Weightlifting team not until 1954, he would have been ahead of the world’s Olympic weightlifting team physicians (including Ziegler who himself later helped develop Dianabol). He would have had to have known about it, had the biochemical knowledge to recognize it’s potential, have access to what was then an experimental drug that was not even approved for prescription in the UK at that time, and have known how to take it effectively for ergogenic purposes (which even Ziegler and the initial group of York guinea pigs in 1954 did not, as they reported dismal results).
It is extremely unlikely that Park was ‘on anything’ until at least the late 1950s/early 1960s when the York team started and spread the word to Bodybuilding from there. However, Park’s all-time greatest condition is considered by most to be around the time of his guest posing at the 1957 Mr. USA (he bench pressed 500 in 1953). So if he did take steroids in the 1960s and/or '70s, when the rest of the world caught on, they didn’t do much for him.
Scaled for height and bone structure there’s no reason to conclude that Park was a user at any time in his career.
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Do you ever give up?
People really underestimate their genetics to build muscle mass.
I used to treat articles and things said on this site like the bible.
I was genuinely skinny, I was eating to gain ‘lean mass’ and wondered why my progress was so slow/non-existant. I truly believed my genetics were terrible.
Then I just ignored everything anyone had to say except the truly big guys.
I put on 30lbs of muscle in 6 months, and im still steadily gaining. I have no doubt that by the end of this year I would of put on another 20lbs. No, i’m not talking about pure weight gain - If you go by that i’ve put on 50lbs.
What I’m saying is, very few people know how big they can get naturally. How many people do you know have consistantly trained (not missing a workout) for 10+ years, focusing on adding weight/reps on the same exercises?
Those who have presumably take steroids, so people assume getting that big requires them.
I think a physique like Arnolds or some of the other 70s and 80s bodybuilders is definetly attainable drug free. The problem is 99 percent of people don’t have the drive, patience, or willingness to do what it takes. Instead they sit around and debate who’s drug free or not and go onto claim everyone bigger than them must be on steroids and that is pathetic.
[quote]Adren wrote:
Rocky2 wrote:
Well isn’t CT at like 240 all natural now?
Pretty much, barring the brief steroid use he talked about in his teen years.
CT would win quite a few top natural comps me thinks. [/quote]
I’m not sure about that. While I can build muscle fairly easily and can get very lean; I tend to lose size and fullness when dieting, even when doing everything right. Furthermore I do not have pleasing bodybuilding structure (long torso, short legs, narrow clavicle) so while I can build an impressive physique, when put under the judging microscope I am not built to be a competitive bodybuilder.
Furthermore I have discovered that I have a heart malformation from birth (only diagnosed this year) which is why I always felt really bad when preparing for a contest.
Because of that I’m not taking any chances and stopped actually pursuing gaining mass. In fact, after the I, BB experiment I had to starve myself for 6 weeks (eating only once a day) to downsize. I went back down to a much more manageable 215-217. At 240 I had serious health problems.
Which is also why those who think I’m using steroids are really dumb. First I DON’T want to get bigger and second I really want to grow into old age!
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I think a physique like Arnolds or some of the other 70s and 80s bodybuilders is definetly attainable drug free. The problem is 99 percent of people don’t have the drive, patience, or willingness to do what it takes. Instead they sit around and debate who’s drug free or not and go onto claim everyone bigger than them must be on steroids and that is pathetic. [/quote]
Agreed. And if you don’t BELIEVE you can accomplish something, you never will.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Adren wrote:
Rocky2 wrote:
Well isn’t CT at like 240 all natural now?
Pretty much, barring the brief steroid use he talked about in his teen years.
CT would win quite a few top natural comps me thinks.
I’m not sure about that. While I can build muscle fairly easily and can get very lean; I tend to lose size and fullness when dieting, even when doing everything right. Furthermore I do not have pleasing bodybuilding structure (long torso, short legs, narrow clavicle) so while I can build an impressive physique, when put under the judging microscope I am not built to be a competitive bodybuilder.
Furthermore I have discovered that I have a heart malformation from birth (only diagnosed this year) which is why I always felt really bad when preparing for a contest.
Because of that I’m not taking any chances and stopped actually pursuing gaining mass. In fact, after the I, BB experiment I had to starve myself for 6 weeks (eating only once a day) to downsize. I went back down to a much more manageable 215-217. At 240 I had serious health problems.
Which is also why those who think I’m using steroids are really dumb. First I DON’T want to get bigger and second I really want to grow into old age![/quote]
Pardon my ignorance, but why would you force youself to lose the added muscle, isn’t it beneficial in the long run?
Thanks in advance.