[quote]SkyNett wrote:
As long as we both understand that reasonable people will approach this (or any other topic) from a reasonable point of view, and then there are a bunch of douchebags who will only see this from a one-sided, myopic and unreasonable point of view, then we can move on…
And I wasn’t actually asking for - or expecting someone to - put up a huge cross-section of real case studies - I was just trying to make a point through the use of exaggerated hyperbole.
Bottom line - Butts has some valid points, however, one can never account for every single variable that exists, so quantifiable “proof” is pretty much an impossibility. If you look at the exchange between me and Bill, I think you’ll see that we agree that with less emphasis on “absolute values” Butts isn’t completely outside the realm of possibility. That said, I think we all agree that this is a highly individualized endeavor, and different people will obtain different results due to a myriad of factors… [/quote]
…which in and of itself discredits Butt’s Ceiling as anything more than some data written down about ankles and wrists that has no bearing on what all humans can achieve.
So tell me, why are the BUTT SNIFFERS so in the dark about this and why do they believe that Mr. Butt has defined some absolute limit?
The truth is that we will never know what someone with the greatest genetics can achieve in bodybuilding. Why? Because that idea alone implies that everyone with great genetics actually gives a shit about bodybuilding.
I have known two guys in my life fairly closely who had genetics that I would rate as damn near off the charts. Neither of them cared about getting as big as possible. In fact, both of them seemed to see their ability to gain more muscle than average as more of a curse than a blessing because it made them stand out. The first is a guy I had known since junior high who in the 6th grade had arms over 15 RIPPED. While that may not seem that big for an adult, for someone who is all of 12 years old, it is phenomenal. We didn’t go to high school together but I saw him around that age and he was playing football. He avoided trying to get bigger than the what must have been 18" arms around that time because of the position he was playing.
The other guy I knew in college as a roommate and the guy didn’t even lift seriously but was a ripped 235lbs ALL THE TIME. I don’t mean “in good shape”. I mean full abs showing no matter how many hamburgers he threw down in the cafeteria.
Guys like the douche who was in this thread for the last few pages believe this is impossible. They will forever wait on a case study that won’t come when getting out of their little bubble would do them much better.
I’ll just end with this…I have seen people in the poorer inner city neighborhoods around Houston that would out just about every guy on this board to shame in terms of muscular development. Many of them will simply end up in jail though or dead.
Anyone who thinks NO ONE CAN BE 250LBS AT 10% BODY FAT NATURALLY simply because they haven’t seen it is a dumbass or at the very least very low on life experience. Those people are out there. they just usually aren’t in expensive gyms or members of University sponsored case studies.
Those big dudes in jail didn’t all get that way because of steroids.