Housing Markets Down More Than Anticipated

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) – The decline in residential real estate accelerated though the end of 2007, and home prices in 20 key markets plunged 8.9% for the year, according to a survey released Tuesday.

The S&P Case/Shiller Home Price index showed its largest annual drop in its 20-year history. By comparison, during the 1990-91 recession, home prices fell 2.8%.

Prices dropped faster throughout 2007 with the index recording a 9.1% year-over-year drop in December.

“We reached a somber year-end for the housing market in 2007,” said Robert Shiller, Chief Economist at MacroMarkets LLC and co-founder of the index, in a statement. “Home prices across the nation and in most metro areas are significantly lower than where they were a year ago.”

All metro areas are now reporting at least four consecutive monthly declines."

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/26/real_estate/Case_Shiller_year_end/index.htm

This reminds me of an old song: ‘Old man Depression, you have gone and done us wrong…’

About time. Prices were out of control.


Yikes!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
About time. Prices were out of control.[/quote]

Yup. It’s just a correction, a necessary one. It is operating exactly like a free market should.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Yikes!

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Perhaps folks will learn not to spend money they do not have.

[quote]pat wrote:
Perhaps folks will learn not to spend money they do not have.[/quote]

People take their cues from the example government provides.

Besides, why wouldn’t someone take advantage of virtually free money guaranteed by the Fed to buy a piece of the capitalist dream?

[quote]
pat wrote:
Perhaps folks will learn not to spend money they do not have.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
People take their cues from the example government provides.

Besides, why wouldn’t someone take advantage of virtually free money guaranteed by the Fed to buy a piece of the capitalist dream?[/quote]

How did that explain the concurrent property bubbles in the UK, Australia, etc?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
Perhaps folks will learn not to spend money they do not have.

People take their cues from the example government provides.
[/quote]

No they don’t.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
How did that explain the concurrent property bubbles in the UK, Australia, etc?[/quote]

By virtue of the same phenomenon of central planning in a capitalistic society. Though in the UK it is not called the Fed…though they typically follow the lead of the US. Too bad, so sad.

God bless the Bank of England.

[quote]pat wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
Perhaps folks will learn not to spend money they do not have.

People take their cues from the example government provides.

No they don’t. [/quote]

Yes, they do, just not mirror image wise.

Otherwise they would ignore the biggest player in almost all economies.

[quote]pat wrote:
No they don’t. [/quote]

Oh yeah? When did it become vogue to take on debt v. saving when the mantra used to be a penny saved is a penny earned? It seems the virtues have flip-flopped almost completely – about the same time our government decided we had to consume our way to economic prosperity.

Just to show how much inflation has bit us: can you imagine bending down to pick up a penny and reciting that same mantra out loud to yourself?

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat wrote:
No they don’t.

Oh yeah? When did it become vogue to take on debt v. saving when the mantra used to be a penny saved is a penny earned? It seems the virtues have flip-flopped almost completely – about the same time our government decided we had to consume our way to economic prosperity.

Just to show how much inflation has bit us: can you imagine bending down to pick up a penny and reciting that same mantra out loud to yourself?[/quote]

I still pick up pennies.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I still pick up pennies.[/quote]

That’s because copper is trading high.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I still pick up pennies.

That’s because copper is trading high.

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A Mutorashanga man was last week electrocuted while allegedly attempting to steal electricity cables at Vanad Mine.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200802200123.html

My mistake: Pennies minted after 1982 are mostly zinc.

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/tsullivl/commoncents/PennyComposition.htm

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
My mistake: Pennies minted after 1982 are mostly zinc.

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/tsullivl/commoncents/PennyComposition.htm
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Did you ever scratch a bit of copper off and dissolve the zinc so you are left with a hollow copper shell? Fun stuff.

[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
How did that explain the concurrent property bubbles in the UK, Australia, etc?

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
By virtue of the same phenomenon of central planning in a capitalistic society. Though in the UK it is not called the Fed…though they typically follow the lead of the US. Too bad, so sad.

God bless the Bank of England.[/quote]

And China, and Spain, and Canada, etc.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

BostonBarrister wrote:
How did that explain the concurrent property bubbles in the UK, Australia, etc?

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
By virtue of the same phenomenon of central planning in a capitalistic society. Though in the UK it is not called the Fed…though they typically follow the lead of the US. Too bad, so sad.

God bless the Bank of England.

And China, and Spain, and Canada, etc.

In come the waves | The Economist [/quote]

Wonderful…a worldwide bubble.

Global depression, collapse of currencies, worldwide police state similar to ‘1984’…how wonderful…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Global depression, collapse of currencies, worldwide police state similar to ‘1984’…how wonderful…

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You keep saying this BS but the opposite is likely to happen. Police states require money and effort. We are much more likely to get balkanization, local terrorism, lawlessness etc.

Look at what is happening in the world!

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Global depression, collapse of currencies, worldwide police state similar to ‘1984’…how wonderful…

You keep saying this BS but the opposite is likely to happen. Police states require money and effort. We are much more likely to get balkanization, local terrorism, lawlessness etc.

Look at what is happening in the world! [/quote]

I’m assuming that chaos will be dealt with by governments, that they will respond to disorder as a threat to their rule. They will use every possible means to retain order.

Third world countries Balkanize because they don’t have the resources to control their populations. That’s why you don’t see cameras on all the street corners in Nairobi. If however they threaten global disorder, they will be dealt with by the 1st world.

I certainly hope none of these happen, but governments rule by force. That’s one reason they fund and run scientific research, to conquer their own citizens.