Thanks! Interesting reading
I seem to have trouble tolerating mainly ephedra. It just give me a bad jittery feeling that makes me feel out of it. Will hot-rox have any similar effects?
Cy and Bill,
Thanks for the answers concerning the Ritalin and Hot Rox.
I’m currently at 20 mg a day, and sometimes I’ll up myself to 40 mg if I’m particulary flaky.
I may try to self medicate using Hot Rox for a week or two to see if the boost is enough . . . I’ll let you know how it goes.
I don’t know if I missed it but how about some spec’s on safety. Anybody at biotest monitoring thyroid function?
Two questions: what are the ingridient doses in hot-rox? I couldn’t find them on the biotest site. And, will hot-rox have a direct CNS stimulant effect?
I’d also like to know about safety as it relates to thyroid function.
The only two compounds which would even need to be looked at in terms of thyroid function would be A7-E and Sclaremax. With the A7-E we already have sufficient data supporting safety when administered in humans. I posted a link to such earlier in the thread.
Also, even when looking at the results of such data (i.e., no change in TSH or T4) with an increase in T3 levels, you can expect that there is no potential for a negative effect on the thyroid gland since you’re simply looking at an increased conversion or formation rate of T3 and not necessarily a direct effect on the thyroid gland per se. Also, keeping those same results in mind, since no change in TSH or T4 was seen, no down-regulation of thyroid activity is expected, nor has it been seen in the literature.
As for Sclaremax, data derived from other adenylate cyclase activators also indicates no harmful effect on the thyroid gland nor any down-regulation of TSHr mRNA.
Will Hot-Rox cause a positive result in drug testing for androgens?
Kong
I’m wondering just like Neckcranked is:
Will hot-rox have a direct CNS stimulant effect?
Was there much of a deviation in terms of fat loss results between people who tested Hot-Rox?
If by a “CNS stimulant effect” you mean something akin to the increase in heart rate, blood pressure and general feeling of being “wired” in an excessive manner seen with ephedrine, the answer is no.
Cy or Bill,
How about Hot Rox with Bromocriptine; can they be combined? I understand this is much different from an ephedra product, but I thought I’d ask to be sure. I have a bunch left over and since it was a killer appetite suppresent, I was thinking of using it up. Can I use the two together?
Joel
Would taking ephedrine pre-workout be safe?
Ok, so we can’t stack MD6 or other ephedra-based supps with Hot-Rox, but what about using something for a preworkout kick? Besides powerdrive I guess. Oh, and how would powerdrive interact with hot-rox?
Any word on exactly what are the amounts of ingredients in HR? thanks…
I can’t wait for Hot Rox to hit retail shelves. I can’t afford $90, but I’m sure I can dish out $50-$70 for something as good as Testosterone says it is.
i find it interesting that several people have voiced concerns about the pricing of hot-rox, yet Cy and Bill have chosen not to address them. i realize that Cy and Bill are on the science end of Biotest, but i do feel that some explination or justification of the price needs be be expressed, (other than saying the raw materials are limited).
with all of this advance hype and talk of limited supplies, people are either going to jump all over this product and sell them out, or avoid it alltogether and wait for more info/evidence. i think biotest has made a good business move in that they have set a price point that is slightly out of reach for the novice, but below that of hardcore users. i think biotest has realized what type of following it has created, espically after viewing these forums, and is attempting to capitalize. keep in mind though, that i am not trying to diminish this product, for it may very well be a breakthrough, but rather i am questioning the the marketing and pricing of it.
i don’t know many people my age, in college, on limited budgets, but who love working out, who would be willing to shell out $90 for a supplement. espically when one can purchase androgens for slightly more money, or something like ripped feul for like $10 a bottle.
i think i’ll be on that wait and see list.
Mas - In the introductory article, you’ll notice that pure guggul E & Z isomers are used. Producing pure isomers is difficult and expensive; a lot of product is discarded to isolate the isomers with the effective chemical shape.
Additionally, the pat. pending prevents competition from driving the price down–if competitors’ alternatives prove as effective, the price will drop. Marketing notwithstanding.
I really would prefer if Hot-Rox were used alone, however, I can understand the feeling of wanting to get some use out of the bromocriptine. With that being said, just be sure to start out with a lower dosage of both the Hot-Rox (i.e., 1 capsule instead of 2) and a lower dosage of the bromocriptine than what you commonly use. Once you are able to assess your tolerance, then you may move up.
I think using Power Drive with Hot-Rox would be ok as I wouldn’t expect to see any significantly adverse effects when using Power Drive with Hot-Rox.
As for people thinking that it’s expensive, I can try my best to explain.
First I have to say that the gentleman below is correct as it is much more difficult and expensive to get 100% pure guggulsterone (E and Z isomers) as opposed to simply getting an extract of commiphora mukul containing only 2.5%. Also, the A7-E is most certainly not cheap to manufacture considering the fact that the molecule didn’t even exist until Bill came up with the idea.
As for the comparison to the purchase of androgens, I can’t say I agree. For one, there is no “stack” or combination of androgens which can rival the effects (in terms of fat loss) you’d see when using Hot-Rox. Not only that, but unless you’re purchasing the androgens directly from Mexico or an online dealer, you can expect to pay around $90 for a bottle of T-200 if bought locally. Even in Mexico or online you can expect to pay at least $130-190 for one bottle of stanozolol from Denkall. Even the combination of these androgens (which together has a much higher cost) wouldn’t equal the effects (in terms of fat loss) seen when using Hot-Rox.
Not only that, but with Hot-Rox there are no legality issues or issues dealing with dishonest businessmen. The same can’t be said when dealing with anabolic steroids.
As for the comparison to Ripped Fuel, again, Hot-Rox is vastly superior and the following article does a great job explaining why Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION
Now, could the product have been made cheaper? Sure, if we were to use the standard extract of commiphora mukul containing only (2.5% guggulsterones) instead of 100% pure guggulsterone isomers E and Z, along with regular 7-keto-DHEA instead of A7-E and forskolin instead of Sclaremex as the adenylate cyclase activator it would be cheaper. But would it be anywhere near as effective? No. Would it be effective enough to say that we’ve made ephedrine obsolete? Absolutely not. Hopefully this makes it a little more clear as to why the product isn’t as cheap as some would hope.
You have to keep in mind that you truly are getting what you pay for and if you don’t agree, there’s a money back guarantee.
Hope this helps!
The more I think about it, the bromo will probably continue to sit there.