Hostel

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:
Professor X wrote:

One of the problems with that line of thinking, is ignoring that there are crazy sadistic people out there simply waiting for something to copy. That doesn’t mean the art form created the negative reality, simply that the negative reality was waiting for justification in media. It would either be that or something else. It is much like the person addicted to alcohol. If there was no alcohol, it isn’t like they wouldn’t be addicted to something else anyway.

I understand this point of view, but the problem is that then this opens the door to censorship and crossing into a grey area that becomes very dangerous and restrictive… so what crosses the line? who decides? what criteria? It would become akin to arguments about virtual kiddie porn that were argued in the Supreme Court a few years back.

I guess my point is that the truly depraved, who would actually do something like this, probably don’t need a movie of this sort to inspire this sort of behavior. I don’t think this is the first movie or other media to explore the topic of torturing/hunting humans just for the ‘rush’ of it (as the American torturer in the film suggested)

I agree. My point was more that, if it wasn’t this, they would find some other way to act retarded. Just because someone may copy a movie down the line doesn’t mean we should censor movies. There will always be stupid people. That is why those toilet deoderant tabs have “do not eat” on them. Obviously, some dumb mutherfucker ate one once.
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Well, I’ll chime in here, Firstly, I absolutely detest these movies. I don’t even like to think of people being tortured, especially in a gruesome manner and like it even less when I see it in a film. The biggest problem I can see down the line with movies that continually push the envelope is the desensitizing factor it may have on people. I know porn can desensitize one with regards to real sex, I have had it happen. When you watch a lot of good freaky porn, sex isn’t as good, thats a damn fact. So, if a film can have that effect on a persons sexual appetite, then certainly it can have an effect on someones ability to stomach torture.

For instance, say this was watched by a bunch of college kids, there is a bunch of them out at a bar and two kids get in a fight. One kid gets the upper hand and knocks the other kid out cold. Now even 20 years ago or so, the fight would have been over, even in most cases today, people will jump in and break it up at this point. Say the kid who won the fight was a torture film fan and goes a little overboard, he continues to pummel the kid on the floor and starts inflicting some real damage. Now this would be too much for a group of sensitive individuals to take, myself included and instead of just sitting and watching some of them would pull the kid off of him. I have seen it more and more where people just look on when someone goes beyond violence and bystanderds just sit by and watch it unfold like they are watching a fucking movie. Most of us saw that clip with the kid getting beat to shit in the pizza parlor by the fat black guy. There were 5 or 6 grown men in that small area that could have done somehting, but they were just watching like a damn movie. Another one I saw on film was in that girl fight clip that someone had. There was this one scene in particular that really pissed me off. There were a couple fights going on and one girl was getting kicked in the face while guys just sat and watched. Also there was an unconsious girl just laying on the floor and she looked all of 16 years old and 80 lbs. Girls are fighting all around her and nobody is helping her. Finally a kid drags her away a little and she is totally limp. If I ever saw this at a party, I would not let it continue, there is a point at which things get out of hand and I only think these ultra gory torture type movies actually push peoples envelopes as to what they consider crossing the line. I know that if my sister was ever at a party and got caught in a fight, I would hope some people would have the decency to interveine before she got hurt.

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Vegita, are you blaming human apathy lately on movies and tv? I think it is more a mirror of society as a whole than being desensitized. Guys are raised to be pussies now. Kids don’t fight in schools, and God forbid one gets a skinned knee. His mother probably won’t let him oustide for a month. That isn’t tv’s fault. It is now wrong to act like a man. Too agressive or confrontational and you are branded a maniac. I can’t tell you the number of guys I have known who get married and are MADE to sell their motorcycles by their wives. In a world like that, you expect someone to play hero and step in to save someone else? That would go against everything they were taught.

I was raised to stand up for myself. My dad taught me basic fighting moves (he used to box) before he ever enrolled me in karate classes. I don’t even understand the world kids are being raised in today. It is superficial and teaches them to look at life as it passes them by, not to jump in and actually live it. That is why those people stood by in that pizza parlor while some guy got beat up…because they were all pussies, not because they were so desensitized to violence. I guarantee half of them peed their pants during that whole scene. It is why so many log on and want to look like a crack whore…with abs. Why the hell would they ever need to be really strong? It isn’t like they will actually use it and no one really cares if your 130lbs frame can toss a 30lbs kettleball.

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wanna know something that many people are unaware of?

wanna know something that many people choose to ignore?

wanna know something that has been happening for as long as history has been reported?

that something is: that entertainment and reality reciprocate each other.

if any of you will claim that movies like Natural Born Killers didn’t reciprocate, even to the smallest indirect degree, some kind of serial murdering reality then you’ll be claiming that which is false.

now, let me put this in a way that i know some of you will understand…

what if i made a movie that glorifies the lynching of black people? not a movie about lynching black people, but a movie that GLORIFIES it (exactly how Hostel glorifies kidnapping, rape, torture, murder; or how Natural Born Fuckups glorifies murder, rape, etc.).

what if this movie that glorifies the lynching of black people was very powerfully illustrated, readily availiable to any willing to watch, and appreciated for its entertainment? would it be acceptable? would any one of you watch it? would any of you like it? or would it plummet in box office, the director, producer, screenwriter, actors be ruined for life and even be tried on criminal charges?

let me answer the latter for you: YES.

this is EXACTLY what movies like Hostel do concerning sociopathic criminality.

having said that, i will not watch it or any movie like it, not because i dont wish to do any teeny part in supporting it’s inhumaneness, but because shit like this pisses me off so much that i am left in an emotionally livid state, and i question my fellow man’s integrity when he doesn’t feel likewise.

it pisses me off because it glorifies defiling the two most precious things in existence. those are: physical sensation and women’s sexuality.

why the fuck are you guys not angry?

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:

why the fuck are you guys not angry?[/quote]

I haven’t seen it and don’t know what it is about. Therefore, I can not speak on the movie directly. That would be like the many who spoke on F-9/11 even though they never saw it. I’m not going to get pissed off because of hear-say.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
wufwugy wrote:

why the fuck are you guys not angry?

I haven’t seen it and don’t know what it is about. Therefore, I can not speak on the movie directly. That would be like the many who spoke on F-9/11 even though they never saw it. I’m not going to get pissed off because of hear-say.[/quote]

heh, im still mad about Natural Born Killers and the beginning of Clockwork Orange (of course i didn’t get that far into that one. im guessing the mood changed as it developed).

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I pretty much share wufwugy’s feelings on this. When I was younger movies like this didn’t really bother me. Now that I have kids, it sickens me to know they live in a world where movies like this are seen as entertainment. It sickens me to think they are going to be exposed to the people who enjoy these types of movies.

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You folks who liked Hostel may be interested to know that the plot is partly taken from a real life incident.
Apparently from what I’ve read, the basic plot was inspired by a recent report of wealthy business men from both the US and Europe going to Thailand and having young kids/teens killed in a very violent manner. Basically these sick f&*ks were paying for custom snuff. Sometimes real life is much sicker than fiction! As far as watching movies like Hostel, Saw etc. I don’t necessarily think the folks that watch these movies are sick or demented. They just want to be scared or repulsed. Movies like this make people confront their own mortality and their inevitable future demise, and that alone is scary. As far as desensitizing people to violence goes, well weak minded people will succumb to it while those of us who have the power to separate life from fiction will not. And before you go blaming the movie industry for desensitizing kids/people to violence, look no further than your own government. They funded the creation of a video game called Americas Army. Their line of thinking is that kids can be programmed and desensitized through video games, so letting them play games where they carry out military tactics and gun down enemies will train them for future military service.
Lastly, for those of you who enjoy sick movies, Hostel, Saw, High Tension are mild. Go view a copy of The Flower of Flesh and Blood from the Guinea Pig series, or get a copy of Fred Vogel’s August Underground.

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[quote]chrismcl wrote:
OARSMAN wrote:

That was basically to the slizzle-dick motherfucker a few posts up that said that he started laughing when the dude put a blow torch to some chicks face. What I was saying is: if you think its so funny/entertaining, lets see if its just as funny/entertaining when its happening to you.[/quote]

As said “slizzle-dick motherfucker” I only have this to say. I don’t condone this type of behavior, nor would I want to endure said behavior.

I only had a moment to post, and made a comment on MY reaction to the scene.

In what I do, I see everyday the worst kind of depravity that one member of our species can inflict upon another. I go home at night knowing that there are sick/twisted individuals in our society that would, in fact, do these very same types of acts. I have had to endure/witness countless tragedies in this life, and would never wish that anyone would have to go through what I have.

By saying that I was laughing, it was just a release. No humor was found in it, no joy was received.

I went into this movie knowing it was a movie. I did not know there was any “truth” to it, had I known, I can honestly say I would have reacted differently, had I gone to see it at all.

Yes, the movie is disturbing. Yes, there are twisted freaks among us that would do this. I, however, am not one of them.

Should that make me a “slizzle-dick motherfucker” in your eyes, so be it.

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wuf makes a good point as well, would it be acceptable to make a movie thats whole purpose is to get people off on racism or child abuse or other such detestable things that are real. The biggest problem is that people ARE bringing violence into the realm of reality and not keeping it in fiction. There is a huge impact on ones mental and emotional state when gore is viewed in a fiction peice like DOOM, where there was plenty of flesh being rendered.

That type of violence may actually be good for our mentality, as it shows the separation of man and monster. When the lines are blurred and man becomes the monster I feel betrayed. I feel as if the people who are making these movies are feeding something bad inside of us. There have always been internal struggles of the human race, we have always had to overcome our own monsters. Many of the madmen who created much of this violence hitles, genghis kahn etc were monsters in human form.

Unfortunately especially younger kids, who WILL be watching this movie, wether you like it or not. Learning does not happen ONLY in school, and it doesn’t only involve the superficial or technical learning process, it also happens on a very deep personal development level. Every peice of information, every situation that is processed by our brains and bodies is stored and called upon in future situations.

Many doctors can cite specific examples of people who have lived through a horrifying experience that are mentally effected for the rest of thier lives. Why would we want or accept this in our society, especially with the high end technology that exists. And to further this on a slippery slope type argument, in 20 years where our movies and video games become 100% interactive, VR style where we can not only see and hear, but smell, taste and feel what is going on, will this type of experience be acceptable then. Will people pay money to go get tortured or be able to torture someone in VR movies? Since it’s not real will people be able to load into a program and go beat some black people or will they get to have virtual anal sex with a 12 year old boy? Will it be ok for them to do and experience terrible things that are real, all in the name of entertainment.

I really don’t know where I am going with this except for the fact that I personally fing torture as entertainment to be a bad thing. I’m not sure what if anything should or can be done about it, but I know I just plain ole don’t like it. When someone tells me that they watched saw or this movie or any like them and how it was so awsome, I just shrug and tell them that I don’t find any entertainment value in movies of that nature. I also tell them they are sick and twisted and they should seek help.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I really don’t know where I am going with this except for the fact that I personally fing torture as entertainment to be a bad thing. I’m not sure what if anything should or can be done about it, but I know I just plain ole don’t like it. When someone tells me that they watched saw or this movie or any like them and how it was so awsome, I just shrug and tell them that I don’t find any entertainment value in movies of that nature. I also tell them they are sick and twisted and they should seek help.

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I think anyone who takes the movie Saw as anything more than entertainment has issues. I watched the movie and while some scenes may make someone cringe, much of it wasn’t anywhere near the level that the movie Seven was. Do you claim Seven to be sick and twisted as well? You ignore the acting that Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt put forth and focus only on the fact that some of the scenes were so memorable and gory that many movies have still failed yet to match the shock value of seeing a 400lbs man dead at a dinner table after being fed to death at gun point?

I give movies like Seven special points because they actually had a message. Saw had no message and thus wasn’t on the same level…but it wasn’t so “sick and twisted” that it lacked entertainment value.

I won’t comment, again, on Hostile because I haven’t seen it. I hope that you have if you are going to speak so strongly against it. It makes no sense to speak out against a movie you have not seen especially if you base your opinion strictly on the opinions of others. That would make you the opposite of a leader.

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I actually did cringe several times during seven, and that was a borderline movie for me. I almost listed it with saw and hostel. I don’t really need to see hostel to know what it’s about, thankfully I have seen the previews and I can get quite a good idea that the movie is more of the same, only much much more graphic and intense than they are allowed to show on TV. I don’t particularly need to see a movie to dislike it’s genre or whatever as a torture movie. Silence of the lambs and seven were the beginning of really intense torture style movies, the main thing was that the story kept them in the realm of horror and these people being the bad guys that we are fascinated with. Hostel and saw are purely, “come watch this movie because people get tortured” The previews lead nothing to the plot (if there is one) and all they say is crap like “this is the most gruesome movie of the year”.

When violence is used at key points in a movie to add shock value or to make a charachter develop, or to accomplish some other development in the movie, then it at least has a place and can be viewed as such. When torture IS the plot, then it’s just way too much to swallow… for me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I really don’t know where I am going with this except for the fact that I personally fing torture as entertainment to be a bad thing. I’m not sure what if anything should or can be done about it, but I know I just plain ole don’t like it. When someone tells me that they watched saw or this movie or any like them and how it was so awsome, I just shrug and tell them that I don’t find any entertainment value in movies of that nature. I also tell them they are sick and twisted and they should seek help.

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I think anyone who takes the movie Saw as anything more than entertainment has issues. I watched the movie and while some scenes may make someone cringe, much of it wasn’t anywhere near the level that the movie Seven was. Do you claim Seven to be sick and twisted as well? You ignore the acting that Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt put forth and focus only on the fact that some of the scenes were so memorable and gory that many movies have still failed yet to match the shock value of seeing a 400lbs man dead at a dinner table after being fed to death at gun point?

I give movies like Seven special points because they actually had a message. Saw had no message and thus wasn’t on the same level…but it wasn’t so “sick and twisted” that it lacked entertainment value.

I won’t comment, again, on Hostile because I haven’t seen it. I hope that you have if you are going to speak so strongly against it. It makes no sense to speak out against a movie you have not seen especially if you base your opinion strictly on the opinions of others. That would make you the opposite of a leader.[/quote]

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I actually did cringe several times during seven, and that was a borderline movie for me. I almost listed it with saw and hostel. I don’t really need to see hostel to know what it’s about, thankfully I have seen the previews and I can get quite a good idea that the movie is more of the same, only much much more graphic and intense than they are allowed to show on TV. I don’t particularly need to see a movie to dislike it’s genre or whatever as a torture movie. Silence of the lambs and seven were the beginning of really intense torture style movies, the main thing was that the story kept them in the realm of horror and these people being the bad guys that we are fascinated with. Hostel and saw are purely, “come watch this movie because people get tortured” The previews lead nothing to the plot (if there is one) and all they say is crap like “this is the most gruesome movie of the year”.

When violence is used at key points in a movie to add shock value or to make a charachter develop, or to accomplish some other development in the movie, then it at least has a place and can be viewed as such. When torture IS the plot, then it’s just way too much to swallow… for me.

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Professor X wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I really don’t know where I am going with this except for the fact that I personally fing torture as entertainment to be a bad thing. I’m not sure what if anything should or can be done about it, but I know I just plain ole don’t like it. When someone tells me that they watched saw or this movie or any like them and how it was so awsome, I just shrug and tell them that I don’t find any entertainment value in movies of that nature. I also tell them they are sick and twisted and they should seek help.

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What movies do you know of that give away the whole plot in a preview? They may hint at it, but rarely do they give away key points to the plot. If they did, no one would have been surprised at the end of The Sixth Sense. The truth is, many people (I would assume the majority) consider Seven to be art, not just violence for the sake of it. I agree with that. If that truly is all Hostel is, then more power to you as you protest it. If, however, there is some artistic merit to it, you are being ridiculous to protest a movie you have never even seen and don’t know much about.

Would you ban a book you never read? Would you protest the showing of a statue you’ve never seen? It just doesn’t make sense.

I hated Natural Born Killers and thought it was greatly a waste of film…but I watched it and can honestly say there is some artistic value to it and I am sure it had fans.

Your position seems to be that movies are so violent that they border on watching someone getting murdered in reality on video tape. I am not sure many would agree with you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I actually did cringe several times during seven, and that was a borderline movie for me. I almost listed it with saw and hostel. I don’t really need to see hostel to know what it’s about, thankfully I have seen the previews and I can get quite a good idea that the movie is more of the same, only much much more graphic and intense than they are allowed to show on TV. I don’t particularly need to see a movie to dislike it’s genre or whatever as a torture movie. Silence of the lambs and seven were the beginning of really intense torture style movies, the main thing was that the story kept them in the realm of horror and these people being the bad guys that we are fascinated with. Hostel and saw are purely, “come watch this movie because people get tortured” The previews lead nothing to the plot (if there is one) and all they say is crap like “this is the most gruesome movie of the year”.

When violence is used at key points in a movie to add shock value or to make a charachter develop, or to accomplish some other development in the movie, then it at least has a place and can be viewed as such. When torture IS the plot, then it’s just way too much to swallow… for me.

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Professor X wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I really don’t know where I am going with this except for the fact that I personally fing torture as entertainment to be a bad thing. I’m not sure what if anything should or can be done about it, but I know I just plain ole don’t like it. When someone tells me that they watched saw or this movie or any like them and how it was so awsome, I just shrug and tell them that I don’t find any entertainment value in movies of that nature. I also tell them they are sick and twisted and they should seek help.

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What movies do you know of that give away the whole plot in a preview? They may hint at it, but rarely do they give away key points to the plot. If they did, no one would have been surprised at the end of The Sixth Sense. The truth is, many people (I would assume the majority) consider Seven to be art, not just violence for the sake of it. I agree with that. If that truly is all Hostel is, then more power to you as you protest it. If, however, there is some artistic merit to it, you are being ridiculous to protest a movie you have never even seen and don’t know much about.

Would you ban a book you never read? Would you protest the showing of a statue you’ve never seen? It just doesn’t make sense.

I hated Natural Born Killers and thought it was greatly a waste of film…but I watched it and can honestly say there is some artistic value to it and I am sure it had fans.

Your position seems to be that movies are so violent that they border on watching someone getting murdered in reality on video tape. I am not sure many would agree with you.[/quote]

Well, I just had a great idea for the next big blockbuster. Since as long as it’s really not happening it’s ok to make a movie about it, then I will make one about a group of individuals who kidnapp children and babies, rape and torture them and then eat them alive, all while the families of the children are forced to watch and then eaten themselves. It should have great shock value. Or perhaps the families are force fed the raped and tortured children and babies and forced to torture the themselves.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Well, I just had a great idea for the next big blockbuster. Since as long as it’s really not happening it’s ok to make a movie about it, then I will make one about a group of individuals who kidnapp children and babies, rape and torture them and then eat them alive, all while the families of the children are forced to watch and then eaten themselves. It should have great shock value. Or perhaps the families are force fed the raped and tortured children and babies and forced to torture the themselves.

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What are the different types of stories we learned about in junior high? Man vs Man, Man vs Machine, Man vs Animal, or some shit like that. The point is, every great story has a hero, even if that hero is a villain himself. If this movie has no “hero” and no “struggle” and is simply people being killed for the hell of it, then I would agree it is a waste. If, however, there is actually a story line to it and it is more than that, then you don’t have a point.

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[quote]wufwugy wrote:
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that something is: that entertainment and reality reciprocate each other.
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why the fuck are you guys not angry?[/quote]

People seem to have no problem at all with movies that glorify theft or grift, and there is only a moderate fuss made over those that glorify drug use, mob violence, or gang violence. The objections seem to be in proportion to the degree to which those movies disturb us, independent of how likely they are to negatively influence individuals or society. Wouldn’t a movie like “Ocean’s Eleven”, that unapologetically glorifies theft, have a much more negative impact on society than something as “out there” as “Hostel”? Why do people think depictions of killing for fun will warp young minds while depictions of killing for profit are of little concern?

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[quote]larryb wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
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that something is: that entertainment and reality reciprocate each other.
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why the fuck are you guys not angry?

People seem to have no problem at all with movies that glorify theft or grift, and there is only a moderate fuss made over those that glorify drug use, mob violence, or gang violence. The objections seem to be in proportion to the degree to which those movies disturb us, independent of how likely they are to negatively influence individuals or society. Wouldn’t a movie like “Ocean’s Eleven”, that unapologetically glorifies theft, have a much more negative impact on society than something as “out there” as “Hostel”? Why do people think depictions of killing for fun will warp young minds while depictions of killing for profit are of little concern?
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Thats a good point right there. I’ll have to ponder this one a bit. For instance, isn’t there a big fight going on right now over movies and showing people smoking cigs in them? I Can say that if a tobacco company is going to pay out big bucks so a leading character will puff then it most likely does effect what people will do in thier every day lives. The point is, exactly what proff X said, people emulate thier heroes. My heroes fight monsters, aliens, save women and children and defend helpless people. What if someone who was previously not exposed to torture found a hero in the villan of the story, or if the villan was actually the hero as the good prof suggested could be the case. Even to the point of gang violence, I think surely many of you believe that the gangster image of some rappers and the message they send influences some young kids to emulate how they are in their songs and videos. I mean it’s not like i’m saying we should ban these forms of media, but fuck seriously, why is there evn a market for some of this shit.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I mean it’s not like i’m saying we should ban these forms of media, but fuck seriously, why is there evn a market for some of this shit.

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Why do most audiences seem to have an attention span that can only be measured by the flapping wings of hummingbirds? I have heard many people say they don’t even go see movies for a great story. They go to see shit blow up. That isn’t me. One of my favorite movies in high school (I think that was when it came out) was Patriot Games. It put Harrison Ford into positions that he had to think out of. Without that aspect, it wouldn’t have been viewed more than once…that, and I thought the woman who played his wife was kick ass for standing by his side with the decisions he made instead of acting like the typical “movie wife” and acting as if everything the hero does is crazy and will end the marriage. Many of us on this site, I would assume, are not the majority. Therefore, attempting to think just like someone who only goes to see shit blow up will leave you thinking in circles forever. I liked Seven. I liked it way more than Silence of the Lambs and it was probably because of the focus on the deadly sins and the books that Morgan Freeman checked out from the library (while also pointing out that certain books are flagged if they are checked out…which I am sure has grown since 9/11). If a movie has no thought going into it, it isn’t one that I consider great.

Saw was “entertaining” and irritating. Some of the logic in the movie made no sense at all. Why would a doctor cut off his own leg…instead of thinking to take his shirt off to reel the phone back in since he couldn’t reach it? It wasn’t clever, but it also wasn’t complete and total crap. One of the best? Hardly. A good way to waste 1.5 hours is you don’t have shit else to do? Yeah, I guess so.

I refuse to echo the opinions of others on movies when it sounds like it is leading to censorship. Media should not be censored because there are stupid people in the world. There will ALWAYS be stupid people and there isn’t shit we can do about it. They are everywhere. They are 300lbs and buying baskets full of Oreos and some of them are even in positions of power with the ability to actually harm large groups of people. You don’t stop making movies because of them. You raise your kids to not BE one of them.

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Saw Hostel last night and it…

SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED!

It had potential to be a good movie. It had semi-decent plot that was destroyed by HORRIBLE writing in the last 35% of the film. I dont know if it had to be hollywood’d up to be released but WTF Quinten?!?! It just plain sucked hard because of that. Watching gore does nothing for me as far as shock value. I have watched every Iraq beheading video, execution video, etc, yadda yadda yadda so seeing gore on the big screen is no big deal. The gore scenes were done well but that couldnt save the trainwreck that the last 35% was, and the movie was 1:30 long.

So if you want to see some hot naked chicks, gore and a decent premise o see it. But if you’re turned off by Hollywooded up writing stay very very very very very far away.

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[quote]tommyboy wrote:
And before you go blaming the movie industry for desensitizing kids/people to violence, look no further than your own government. They funded the creation of a video game called Americas Army. Their line of thinking is that kids can be programmed and desensitized through video games, so letting them play games where they carry out military tactics and gun down enemies will train them for future military service.
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Great point. That is exactly what the gov. is doing with this new medium of recruitment. The kids won’t listen to recruiters at the schools…but, we can brainwash them with these video games. To recruit for a war, you have to make war look fun. Like it or not, it is a brilliant(and twisted) marketting idea.

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[quote]larryb wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
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that something is: that entertainment and reality reciprocate each other.
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why the fuck are you guys not angry?

People seem to have no problem at all with movies that glorify theft or grift, and there is only a moderate fuss made over those that glorify drug use, mob violence, or gang violence. The objections seem to be in proportion to the degree to which those movies disturb us, independent of how likely they are to negatively influence individuals or society. Wouldn’t a movie like “Ocean’s Eleven”, that unapologetically glorifies theft, have a much more negative impact on society than something as “out there” as “Hostel”? Why do people think depictions of killing for fun will warp young minds while depictions of killing for profit are of little concern?
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i kinda agree.

although, using your logic can cause problems because it isn’t comparing precisely. im betting that we can all agree that torture, rape, murder, abduction, etc. are on a different level than theft and like things.

i wouldn’t even put violence as high as torture, rape, etc, except that violence is necessary for torture, rape, etc. so they cant be isolated all the time.

so, even though you have a good point, i think it’s a slightly different topic and not one that i care to discuss as of now.