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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’ve told you before, the situation in Iraq can not be fixed. It’s a mess. It can’t be won.

That’s very enlightened, very European, very BELGIAN thinking. Thanks for sharing it. Of course, you speak from experience. You folks have a long history of giving up. Isn’t the standard greeting “I surrender!” in Belgium?

I would like to discuss Belgian politics for a while. First off, who is the Minister of the Waffle Maker over there these days? Because whoever he is I hope he gets another term. I had some of your waffles the other day, and I have to say, they were marvelous! Aside from that, what else is going on over there?

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Yeah, you sound like the typical fucktard redneck you claim to be against. An ignorant one at that. Go watch fox and pull it.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:

Hey, douche. No one is creating stem-cell research. You dumb fuck. Missouri can now allocate goverment fund for research. It’s not creating an industry. It already exists. It’s the Medical Research industry. And I’m sure that it’s a BIG BUSINESS that you’d like to shut down…If they make a profit that is.

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Hey, Hack. How is the Nascar scene?

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
You sound very angry.

What’s the matter, did you have a bad night?
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In bed by 9:00 PM, asshole. This is just how I talk to numbnuts dipshits like you.

I love this, to be honest. First off, it guarantees that a democrat will NOT win the White House in 2008. America will have a chance to see what democrats do when they have a hammer. History tells us they do two things: Raise taxes and enable our enemies. Well. They don’t need the hammer to enable our enemies. They do that pretty much all the time since they hate America.

Second, is entertainment value. I can’t wait to watch Speaker Pelosi in action. She’s a certified cunt. We should enjoy her antics and ineptitude. And that frozen look that always plastered on her plastic face.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:

Hey, douche. No one is creating stem-cell research. You dumb fuck. Missouri can now allocate goverment fund for research. It’s not creating an industry. It already exists. It’s the Medical Research industry. And I’m sure that it’s a BIG BUSINESS that you’d like to shut down…If they make a profit that is.

Hey, Hack. How is the Nascar scene?[/quote]

Oh, it’s pretty cool. It’s coming right down to the wire, you know. Jimmy Ray is up against Bobby Pearl in the Shitbox 2000 down in Mobe-eeel. Should be a good’n.

Now I don’t know shit about NASCAR. But I wonder how you can be so closed-minded? Aren’t you liberal dicks supposed to be inclusive and encouraging of “diversity”? I guess that goes for homosexuals and minorities (as long as they vote Democrat) but NOT for NASCAR fans and Christians. You don’t even WANT their dirty votes! YUK!

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
She’s a certified cunt.[/quote]

Pot, kettle.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
I love this, to be honest. First off, it guarantees that a democrat will NOT win the White House in 2008. [/quote]

Yeah I started a thread about this…

Who does the GOP have, as a viable candidate? I can’t think of anyone except Mitt Romney, who is a Mormon from Massachessetts. As a Southerner, do you think he can win votes in the South?

Who else ya got? Put it in that thread, m’kay thanks.

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I get tired of hearing about how the judges are doing this and that wrong.

The judges have to make decisions when cases are brought before them. Whining about not liking their decisions is pure bullshit.

The elected officials have the power to change the rules if the judges have made decisions that the public does not like. This goes all the way to congress where the constitution itself can be amended if necessary.

What we are really hearing is ongoing whining about how bad the judges are because their opinions are not always ones you happen to agree with.

Don’t like the decision? Then get the laws of the land changed. Can’t? Well, then that’s the role the judges play, to interpret the current law of the land and how it is to be applied.

That’s it. That’s the process. That’s your system. Boo hoo. Sniff. It’s all the judges fault.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
But I wonder how you can be so closed-minded? Aren’t you liberal dicks supposed to be inclusive and encouraging of “diversity”?
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Hey, Hack. You need to get a life. I think you are certifiable. Didn’t you just call Nancy Pelosi the c word?

And Then you talk about being closed minded?

Have a nice time watching Nascar.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I get tired of hearing about how the judges are doing this and that wrong.

The judges have to make decisions when cases are brought before them. Whining about not liking their decisions is pure bullshit.[/quote]

And this just demonstrates your undistilled ignorance of the matter. More below.

So what stops judges from just making it up as they go along, all with the idea that Congress can merely legislate away their decisions if they want to?

So judges aren’t bound by the Constitution? So a judge can fritter away the right to free speech? After all, the Congress and the states can always put it back into the Constitution, right?

And you have made the ultimate mistake - read slowly: what good is amending the Constitution to say what you want it to say if the judges aren’t going to follow it anyway? You say we can amend the Constitution if we don’t like a judicial ruling. Fine - say we do. Then a court completely ignores that amendment and makes it up its own way. What good is an amendment, dumbass?

Vroom, you have moved from being naive on some subjects to just plain embarrassing yourself.

Judges can’t do whatever they want. They have no authority to do so. They have no historical basis for doing so. Not in the “American system” you smugly claim you know about, but clearly are confused on.

Nope - the complaint is that judges are supposed to be politically neutral. When they aren’t, that invades our constitutional separation of powers - the one you claim you are interested in in other contexts, but clearly you know little about.

But that isn’t what you are advocating. Legislatures act as a check on judiciaries - sure they do. What good is passing laws if judges ignore them and make up what they want? The check ceases to exist.

The legislature can’t be a check on the judiciary if the judiciary is free to ignore the law the legislature passes and is not bound by the law the legislature passes. Poor Vroom.

Don’t even have the audacity to print that sentence - it is clear you have little understanding of how our system works. Judges are bound by the same constitutional oath as elected officials. Judges have no authority - you know, from that constitution thing - to decide political questions at their whim. They interpret the laws as written - they don’t get to be policymakers.

You look like a fool when you suggest “this is how the American system works” - go read your Federalist Papers. “Interpreting” does not mean “inventing”, which is why Hamilton wanted an independent judiciary to have the force of judgment, not will.

You whine like crazy about the President aggregating powers at the expense of other branches - without even understanding the nature of that power - but now you drop your bottom lip at a judiciary doing exactly what you claim to dislike, suggesting “that is the system”.

Honestly, that hurt my eyes. Save yourself the embarrassment next time.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I get tired of hearing about how the judges are doing this and that wrong.[/quote]

So judges who overstep their bounds should be tolerated because they’re judges?

All judges interpret the various laws and documents. Just look at the threads we’ve had here in the past about the separation of church and state. The way the US Constitution is worded, you can interpret it in different ways that all have some validity.

We have to be careful that judges are not used to go around the legislative process. Elected officials propose and adopt the laws. Unelected judges making end runs around that process rob it of any legitimity. Especially when (supreme court) judges are named for lifetime nominations.

We had a similar case here in Canada a while ago, when Jean Chretien tried to get the Canadian Supreme court to rule that whatever question was presented to Quebecers in an eventual referendum on sovereignty, would need to have the approval of the rest of Canada. The court’s ruling in that case, while rather nuanced, basically came down to the fact that if Canada wanted to ignore a positive result in any referendum, it would have to do so without hiding behind the Canadian Supreme Court.

Had the judgment been different, how many would have agreed with a ruling that would have basically stipulated that the result of a popular vote could be ignored?

I’m sure many non-Quebecers would have agreed with it, because they’d agree with the outcome. But as a question of principle, judges should rule on the cases put to them according to the laws of the time, they should not make broad, sweeping pronouncements that thwart laws that have been voted for by the people.

In specific cases, such as gay marriage or stem cell research, if people vote against them, I’m all for respecting their wishes. That’s what the democratic process is for. Even if overturning both of those decision in court agrees with my personal views, I don’t think it should be tolerated.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
pookie wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
On the bright side - The liberals performance over the next two years all but guarantees us that the Republicans will win the White House again in 2008.

Translation: The Republicans now have a scapegoat on which to blame all their past, present and future fuck-ups.

The rest is pretty funny, though.

If you do anything in life you are bound to screw-up. If you don’t do anything you are bound to never screw-up.

So the Republicans have tried things that don’t work.

What are the Dem’s going to do to fix Iraq? Pull the troops out and you have civil war and more terrorist hitting all western targets.

So please tell me what bright ideas do the Dem’s have to fix this?

So the slogan should be: “Vote Democrat, we won’t do anything so we will never screw-up!”

I’ve told you before, the situation in Iraq can not be fixed. It’s a mess. It can’t be won.

It’s like playing a chess game. When you play a string of good moves, you get a nice list of good options. When you play a string of bad moves, you’re running for shelter.

I can tell you’re a Bush supporter by letting him of the hook for the stupid, stupid, stupid mistakes he made, that people have warned him against.

But now you want the Democrats to fix the situation.

That’s not how it works. Da chimp had his chance. He’s incompetent. He fucked up.

It will take the grown ups decades to clean up his mess. Don’t expect a quick fix. If you do, you’ll be fooled by the next lying peace of shit and vote for the wrong guy AGAIN.

But that’s probably your intention all along.[/quote]

That is too funny! So with Bush you want a quick fix in Iraq, but with the Dem’s “don’t expect a quick fix”. That is priceless!

Well, since the Dem’s were voted in now, with really no clue how to make things better, we will be sitting here and a few years having this same conversation. Except it will be why the dem’s have screwed up or not done a thing to fix it.

And Yes, I support Bush for trying to do something. That is more than can be said for all the previous Democrat presidents.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
She’s a certified cunt.

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Just what is the certification process for that?

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[quote]pookie wrote:
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Good stuff, Pookie, and it just highlights a very important point - it has nothing to do with partisan politics. I no more want a court making policy that I happen to agree with than a court making policy that I happen to disagree with. What a court decides is less relevant than the fact it shouldn’t be deciding the question at all.

Liberal or conservative, let policy be hashed out through messy democratic process.

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If you’re done crying let me just say one word about the elections: HAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. But I guess the majority of Americans aren’t complete fucking morons like the Bush regime. Talking about the Bush regime, let me just say one word to Mr. Rumsfeld: bye bye dumb fuck!

Hopefully now you won’t be able to start another dumb fucking war in a futile search for WMD’s that has cost the tax payers close to a trillion dollars and for what? Well according to the report released only a couple of weeks ago by EVERY intelligence agency we have it’s made America LESS SAFE and MORE PRONE TO TERRORIST ATTACKS!

Did you rednecks get that? I know your ‘edumacation’ is a little lacking in the South but if you try real hard I’m sure you’ll be able to understand sooner or later.

And how about that search for terrorists? According to everyone with a working brain cell ol’ Bin Laden is somewhere between Afghanistan and Pakistan. And where are our troops again? Oh that’s right, on top of the oil in Iraq with shitty fucking armor to protect themselves. Thanks Bush for keeping our troops safe! You FUCK!

But I’m glad Americans are saving money at the pump. Oh ya, now that dumb fuck Bush is president we’re paying $3.00 a gallon instead of $1.25 when Clinton was president. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

And how about North Korea? Well instead of having their nuclear reactor shut down with seals in place and UN inspectors there making sure they weren’t enriching uranium like when Clinton was president - dumb fuck Bush reneged on America’s deal to build them light water reactors so in 2001 (when Bush was president, this is going to take a little math rednecks) North Korea removed their seals and started enriching uranium and NOW they are a nuclear power. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

But I’m sure you Bushites are still sore over these elections which pretty much validated that the majority of American’s think Bush is a moron so I’ll stop writing so you can make your way over to the Catholic Church for your weekly homosexual circle jerk with the priest. Don’t forgot to put the boot on your trailer wheel before you go…you don’t want anyone to steel your house.

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[quote]jason1122 wrote:
If you’re done crying let me just say one word about the elections: HAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. But I guess the majority of Americans aren’t complete fucking morons like the Bush regime. Talking about the Bush regime, let me just say one word to Mr. Rumsfeld: bye bye dumb fuck!

Hopefully now you won’t be able to start another dumb fucking war in a futile search for WMD’s that has cost the tax payers close to a trillion dollars and for what? Well according to the report released only a couple of weeks ago by EVERY intelligence agency we have it’s made America LESS SAFE and MORE PRONE TO TERRORIST ATTACKS!

Did you rednecks get that? I know your ‘edumacation’ is a little lacking in the South but if you try real hard I’m sure you’ll be able to understand sooner or later.

And how about that search for terrorists? According to everyone with a working brain cell ol’ Bin Laden is somewhere between Afghanistan and Pakistan. And where are our troops again? Oh that’s right, on top of the oil in Iraq with shitty fucking armor to protect themselves. Thanks Bush for keeping our troops safe! You FUCK!

But I’m glad Americans are saving money at the pump. Oh ya, now that dumb fuck Bush is president we’re paying $3.00 a gallon instead of $1.25 when Clinton was president. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

And how about North Korea? Well instead of having their nuclear reactor shut down with seals in place and UN inspectors there making sure they weren’t enriching uranium like when Clinton was president - dumb fuck Bush reneged on America’s deal to build them light water reactors so in 2001 (when Bush was president, this is going to take a little math rednecks) North Korea removed their seals and started enriching uranium and NOW they are a nuclear power. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

But I’m sure you Bushites are still sore over these elections which pretty much validated that the majority of American’s think Bush is a moron so I’ll stop writing so you can make your way over to the Catholic Church for your weekly homosexual circle jerk with the priest. Don’t forgot to put the boot on your trailer wheel before you go…you don’t want anyone to steel your house. [/quote]
Go, Jason 1122!

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’ve told you before, the situation in Iraq can not be fixed. It’s a mess. It can’t be won.

That’s very enlightened, very European, very BELGIAN thinking. Thanks for sharing it. Of course, you speak from experience. You folks have a long history of giving up. Isn’t the standard greeting “I surrender!” in Belgium?

I would like to discuss Belgian politics for a while. First off, who is the Minister of the Waffle Maker over there these days? Because whoever he is I hope he gets another term. I had some of your waffles the other day, and I have to say, they were marvelous! Aside from that, what else is going on over there?

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If you know nothing about Belgium, leave it alone. Have you ever been there? Probably not. Just stick to what your good at, watching fox, nascar and drinking beer.

Bye the way, I talked to Nancy Pelosi tonight and she said you are a fat lazy ass. She also said she can deadlift more than you.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:
jason1122 wrote:
If you’re done crying let me just say one word about the elections: HAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system. But I guess the majority of Americans aren’t complete fucking morons like the Bush regime. Talking about the Bush regime, let me just say one word to Mr. Rumsfeld: bye bye dumb fuck!

Hopefully now you won’t be able to start another dumb fucking war in a futile search for WMD’s that has cost the tax payers close to a trillion dollars and for what? Well according to the report released only a couple of weeks ago by EVERY intelligence agency we have it’s made America LESS SAFE and MORE PRONE TO TERRORIST ATTACKS!

Did you rednecks get that? I know your ‘edumacation’ is a little lacking in the South but if you try real hard I’m sure you’ll be able to understand sooner or later.

And how about that search for terrorists? According to everyone with a working brain cell ol’ Bin Laden is somewhere between Afghanistan and Pakistan. And where are our troops again? Oh that’s right, on top of the oil in Iraq with shitty fucking armor to protect themselves. Thanks Bush for keeping our troops safe! You FUCK!

But I’m glad Americans are saving money at the pump. Oh ya, now that dumb fuck Bush is president we’re paying $3.00 a gallon instead of $1.25 when Clinton was president. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

And how about North Korea? Well instead of having their nuclear reactor shut down with seals in place and UN inspectors there making sure they weren’t enriching uranium like when Clinton was president - dumb fuck Bush reneged on America’s deal to build them light water reactors so in 2001 (when Bush was president, this is going to take a little math rednecks) North Korea removed their seals and started enriching uranium and NOW they are a nuclear power. Thanks Bush! You FUCK!

But I’m sure you Bushites are still sore over these elections which pretty much validated that the majority of American’s think Bush is a moron so I’ll stop writing so you can make your way over to the Catholic Church for your weekly homosexual circle jerk with the priest. Don’t forgot to put the boot on your trailer wheel before you go…you don’t want anyone to steel your house.
Go, Jason 1122!
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Yea! Go team go!!! We’re Number one!!!

Gee Sky, maybe if you cheer hard enough jason will run his fingers through your hair while you cup his balls.

That was just fucking pathetic.

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[quote]Skystud wrote:

Bye the way, I talked to Nancy Pelosi tonight…[/quote]

You stayed up to talk? You didn’t fall asleep right after? I kid! I joke!

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:

WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

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Take the loss like a man, not like a bitch.

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Pookie, Thunder,

You guys need to slow down a bit. The judicial system is another branch of government, and it has a set of rules that it is supposed to follow as well.

Will there be bad judges? Sure. Just like there are bad politicians. Is there a process for removing them or overruling their judgment? Of course.

However, the final authority rests with the legislative branch. It isn’t fast, and it isn’t easy, but that is the way it was designed. Often, laws are written and stay on the books for so long that they get harder and harder to apply appropriately to current events.

In that situation, the courts still have to make a decision based on existing law. In reality, what may be required is enacting some more up to date and clear legislation so that the judicial system has less open space in which to get lost when making a decision.

It’s the process guys… don’t whine to me about it if you don’t like the way it works. Talk to your politicians about amending the constitution or making new laws. If you can’t get enough votes to do it, then the courts and judges may not be as out of line as you think they are.

Now, if the two of you aren’t done thinking I’m an idiot because that’s how the system is designed, then by all means, fire off another round of shots.