[quote]doogie wrote:
Despite the fact that you were only able to defend your God by stealing from a nutjob, I’ll answer your poorly thought out points.I took the the phrase “to be comformed into Jesus likeness”, corrected your spelling and Googled it. Guess what came up first on the list.[/quote]
It always has to get personal with you doogie.
You can never argue the facts exclusively. You need to lash out and attempt to discredit people. Please tell me you don’t do this in your personal life.
Because my sentences were similar to anothers means I stole his words?
And…you use this latest argument to distract from the real points.
Unlike you?
Not at all!
As if the phrase “to be conformed to Jesus likeness” has not been used millions of times.
Maybe you better read Romans 8:29 which has that phrase in it:
“…to be conformed to the likeness of his son…”
I’m sure that this phase was used many times when speaking and writing about Jesus Christ.
I guess everyone is actually copying the Bible huh? (eye roll)
Here’s a quick check of just some of the many many web sites that have used that phrase, and other phrases that I used in that post and have used many times in the past.
(Now let’s see who copied from whom?
lol 
http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Salvation_Issues/conformed_to_his_likeness.htm
http://www.clsnet.org/mmPages/chaplain/lifeNeed.php?PHPSESSID=289af089a32010550cc8c85109e2a91e
http://www.pastorport.com/ministrytoday.asp?mode=viewarchive&index=35
http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/fiomascarenhas/scripturallyspeaking/nextofkin.asp
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=594
Furthermore, if I was going to steal that phrase then why didn’t I simply copy and paste it?
DUH!
I happened to have misspelled it because I WROTE IT!
That someone else wrote it as well means what? How many other circumstances can you use such a phrase?
The Christian truths are basic doogie. There are many of us saying the same thing.
By resorting to attacking me by saying that I plagiarized when I did not simply lowers the standard of debate on this site, which by the way you are noted for.
It certainly wins you no debating points and in fact just seems to be another one of your nasty distractions.
I must say, I have seen you personally attack just about everyone who disagrees with you.
Maybe if you were not up at 5:56 in the morning looking for ways around the real point this would not have happened.
Then again it seems that you have a history of this type of behavior regardless of the time of day.
How did you get so twisted doogie?
How did you get so very much hate for so many things?
Bad marriage?
Bad upbrining?
Did someone cheat you out of something?
Wow…something happened.
I’d say “God Bless You” but I don’t want to be accused of plagiarism.
Okay…on with the rest of your post:
Wrong doogie!
That is not a Biblical truth.
For starters God wants all to come to him.
As it clearly states in [b]1 Tim. 2:3-4:
“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”[/b]
And it also states clearly in [b]2 Pet. 3:9:
“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.” [/b]
Can some people be “predestined” to be saved?
Absolutely!
Remember this is God we are talking about. And above all things God is sovereign!
doogie is not sovereign…Zeb is not sovereign. God IS sovereign.
Take a look at the beginning of Romans 8:28:
He can choose those whom he wants ahead of time. BUT that does not mean that those who have free will cannot come to him also!
And there is where you make your mistake.
Do you read any passage in the Bible that says the ONLY way to be saved is to be predestined?
It clearly says in Romans 8:30:
“Those he predestined he also callled.”
It does not say: “those he predestined he also called and those he did not predestine cannot be saved.”
Bottome line:
Some are predestined and others can simply use their free will to be saved.
Keep this scriputre in mind from Peter:
“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
And this one from Timothy:
“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
[quote]It is a hard idea for me. Can you clarify these issues for me?
So Jesus wasn’t really God while he was down here with the sinners?[/quote]
He was fully God and fully man! One more concept you probably neither like or accept. But none the less is true!
God the sons human side was tempted.
God is waging a battle against the forces of evil. In that battle there are many methods which the Lord uses. he even uses the enemy!
The word “Satan” actually means “The accuser.”
That God allowed Satan a brief meeting in order to prove to him that Job was a good God fearing man does not mean that God allowed Satan to live in Heaven!
As the Bible clearly states there is only one way to the father and that is through the son Jesus Christ.
Satan does not accept this. Hence, he will not dwell in Heaven!
And…you must know that!
You really have to stop reading all of the anti-God web sites.
I think we covered that one.
No one lives in Heaven for eternity who has not had his sin paid for in full. And that is from acceptance of Jesus Christ!
[quote]Oh, so once you are saved sin doesn’t count anymore? You can kill, STEAL (as noted above), rape, covet, fornicate, and all that stuff and it won’t keep you away from God?
That’s a pretty sweet deal.[/quote]
Those who are truly saved do not kill, steal, rape, etc.
However, since no one is perfect and we do make mistakes, we are forgiven because of our faith and acceptance of Jesus Christ.
The way you are going you will be there soon enough…don’t rush it!
(But it does not have to be that way!)
[quote]Hell was created for Satan and just about than one third of the Angels that followed him in rebellion. However, they are not there yet.
How do you know? God can’t seem to keep up with him (or remember conversations he already had with him).
Job 1:6-8
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”[/quote]
God knew the answer to the question before it was asked. Furthermore, Satan was cast to earth when he rebelled against the Lord.
All Biblical truths!
As I stated “Satan” means “The accuser.”
A quick reminder doogie as the Bible clearly states:
God shall not be mocked!
In full:
Galatians 6:7:
“Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
[b]In other words , it is a place created for those who did not want anything to do with God.
It’s a place to toast those he decided not to call.[/b]
You are WRONG
As the scripture clearly states:
As it clearly states in [b]1 Tim. 2:3-4:
“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”[/b]
[quote]When man fell, through Adam and Eve, they brought “sin” into the world.
It wasn’t sinful for the devil/satan/serpent to tempt them into disobeying God?[/quote]
“Man” had not sinned up to the point of falling in the garden.
Satan (The accuser) was doing his thing. But he was already cast out of Heaven for rebellion.
[quote]Where do those go who sin?
The same place that is earmarked (he’s not there yet) for Satan…Hell.
God is NOT putting you there. In fact he sent his one and only son as an atonement for sin so that you could avoid going there.
That is retarded. [/quote]
It seems that anything you don’t understand you label as “retarded.”
Do you do this with all things you don’t understand or just spiritual matters. Or do you know everything?
No I guess you don’t know everything…
God did not create sin. He created “free will.”
To show his great love for his people he gave his one and only son as a sacrifice for our sins.
When someone really loves another he will often freely give up his life for that person.
It also has to do with leadership and service:
Mark 10:43-45:
“Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give my life as a ransom for many.”
That you think it’s “retarded” or simply don’t understand it, or even wished God had done something different means…what?
He loves us enough to give us “free will.”
Did Eve call on God to help her?
No!
Did Adam?
No!
They exercised their free will in the wrong way and they and we suffer the consequences of that decision.
Also, “mocking” God as you do won’t help your personal situation, or help you understand Biblical truth.
Keep that in mind.
[quote]How much more gracious could God have been than to send his “one and only son” as a sacrifice for you and me!
You are a sick and twisted individual. That is worse than pedophiles saying, “What is more loving than sharing your bed with a child?” You really think CRUCIFYING your son is a gracious gesture.[/quote]
God giving of himself for all sinners including doogie and zeb is a most gracious act. And the single greatest act of love that has ever occurred!
Reason being, he is God!
The creator of all things and didn’t have to do this.
Your rant about pedophiles is rather odd…But then again…
[quote]HOw much more gracious could God have been? He could have said, “I’m sorry that I didn’t create a Universe that mirrors the glory of heaven. I’m going to fix that right now. Please forgive me for my stupidity and cruelty these last few thousand years while I let you all suffer, played with you like ants in an antfarm, and put Satan on the earth to hurt you.”
That would be MUCH more gracious.[/quote]
Well…at least you are down to the basics now.
YOU want a God created in your image. That might be something that YOU would do so therefore you want God to do it that way.
And…anything less than your full expectations being met you will not accept.
That is a very common trait among non believers such as yourself.
You want to remake God in YOUR image…And then…just maybe you will accept God.
Funny stuff!
[quote]In my opinion, that is like spitting int the face of someone who has given you the most expensive thoughtful present that money could buy…But of course Jesus Christs great sacrifice is far far more than that…
You sick twisted freak.[/quote]
You really need to get more sleep…
[quote]What about the people who do no evil, they just aren’t Christians?
I know you think that there are people out there who do no evil, but you are quite wrong!
Everyone…does “evil.”
Here is some truth for you:
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23
“If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” 1 John 1:10
“The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who are wise, who want to please God. But no, all have strayed away; all are rotten with sin. Not one is good, not one!” Psalm 14:2, 3.
That means that no one is deserving of eternal life in Heaven. NO ONE!
Seems like God screwed the pooch when designing us, doesn’t it?[/quote]
More “mocking”…
He gave us free will. That you don’t understand that means you need to do more soul searching and reading and try hard to fight the bitterness that you live with.
[quote]Only through accepting Jesus Christ as your savior are your sins forgiven!
And as we have seen, everyone is a sinner!
What about all of those litte fetuses that get aborted? You think they are humans with souls. Therefore the are not worthy of heaven. They never got the chance to accept Jesus…THEY WILL BURN IN HELL![/quote]
They also were never able to be exposed to Jesus Christ.
You forget that huh?
“There is no Hell” is a lie of Satan who knows that his days are numbered and wants to take as many as he can with him.
You will be one of them unless you accept Christ as your savior.
Make no mistake about it, Hell is a very place:
If you don’t think so please spend some time in the scriptures regarding Hell:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/hellreal.htm
That you cannot understand the depth of Gods love is not surprising. It’s a difficult concept to understand. But those who don’t understand it are usually not so abrasive.
However, those who think they know everything and reject Jesus Christ will indeed be in for a shock one second after they breath their last breath!
Why doogie why in the world do you think that those who reject Christ are Gods children?
John 8:42-47:
"Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of My own accord, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear My word. You are of your father the devil,
(Right now doogie that would be your Dad! But it’s not too late to change that.)
…and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me."
This was asked and answered above.
Anything that you cannot understand must not be correct?
Oh my…
Now that’s illogical!
