[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hindus believe, I think, that one of the cycles of existence ends by everyone being gay.
Maybe the gay gene is the future and hetero is on the way out.
TC wrote a column (if memory serves) that the male gene is gradually dying off or something. 5000 years from now, there’ll be no males. The whole planet will be populated by asexuals.
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Do steroids! To save our sex!
[quote]bald eagle wrote:
The problem with gays is they are always in the public’s face. Look at the parades they have with all the freaks and weirdos. That is what people object to mnore than anything. They want to shout from the mountain tops that they are gay.
You don’t see heterosexual parades with all kinds of weird costumes and barely dressed people.
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You don’t see the bias inherent in your observation? Unless you have superb gaydar, you will only notice those gayfolk who stand out the most and get “in the public’s face.” So you will assume that all gay people are like this even if the proportion exhibiting this behavior is minuscule.
A similar example would be if I said all Christians are bigoted psychopaths because I saw Rev. Fred Phelps protesting today, he said he was a christian, and nobody else told me they were a christian today. With your wonderful logic it naturally follows that all christians are just like Fred Phelps.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I just can’t tolerate crap that trivializes racism and that is what I originally argued. Nothing more, nothing less. [/quote]
Trivialize racism? Race can’t be controlled, ergo should not be discriminated against.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Probably many anti-gays are that way because of their instincts. They know that a man is supposed to be a father. The first rule of life is to create more life — why we have 6 billions on this planet.[/quote]
Anti-gays are that way because they were raised that way.
And yes we have 6 billion people on this planet. A few homos ain’t gonna drive the human species to extinction.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hindus believe, I think, that one of the cycles of existence ends by everyone being gay.[/quote]
I’d like to know where you sourced this. Obviously I missed something when my parents explained my religion to me.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Pro-survival doesn’t mean pro-birth.
Just pointing that out. To extrapolate this logic…
One more time: China. Too many people. If more were gay, more people who were born would survive. Ta da! A pro-survival argument for homosexuality.
I’ve yet to meet a gay guy who didn’t know he was gay for his entire life, or was ever at any point hetero.
What do you mean by this? Evolution works by the production of offspring. If there were a gene that works against the production of offspring, then it’s unlikely it would survive, since our ancestors didn’t have sperm banks and artificial insemination.
Overcrowding is bad for species as a whole. Too much competition, not enough food, not enough resources. Can lead to larger problems and less longterm survival and success of the species as a whole. (from my biology and anthropology recollections)
From what I remember about population growth (with access to food and no predators) it seems to climb geometrically and then plummet when food runs short. This does not fit with the notion homosexuality is a brake on population growth.
It does. Overcrowding results in food shortages. One way of dealing with this on a global scale has been reducing the number of offspring produced. This is most seen in rodents and other species who reproduce quickly and have a lot of offspring. Species where a meaningful difference in access to resources can be achieved in a short time.
We have not hit the food shortage part of the curve yet (media reports to the contrary), do you suppose when we do 1/2 the population will go gay?
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Doubt it. Doesn’t seem to be happening in developing/subsistence countries.
[quote]etaco wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
The problem with gays is they are always in the public’s face. Look at the parades they have with all the freaks and weirdos. That is what people object to mnore than anything. They want to shout from the mountain tops that they are gay.
You don’t see heterosexual parades with all kinds of weird costumes and barely dressed people.
You don’t see the bias inherent in your observation? Unless you have superb gaydar, you will only notice those gayfolk who stand out the most and get “in the public’s face.” So you will assume that all gay people are like this even if the proportion exhibiting this behavior is minuscule.
A similar example would be if I said all Christians are bigoted psychopaths because I saw Rev. Fred Phelps protesting today, he said he was a christian, and nobody else told me they were a christian today. With your wonderful logic it naturally follows that all christians are just like Fred Phelps.[/quote]
bald eagle makes it sound as if these parades occur all the time.
How often do they happen?
Does anyone suppose they feel the need to get in the public’s face and “shout from the mountain tops” that they are gay because of the bias and homophobia? Because many people would rather they just shut up so they don’t have to think about it?
Anyhow, I agree with you, etaco. My roommate is gay, and the only time I can really “tell” is when he is contemplating whether or not he wants to eat a slice of chocolate cake for dessert (and comes off as a huge queen when doing so).
Then again, he has some really, really effeminate friends.
Gay people exhibit their sexuality and gender in different degrees, and I find it lame to not only judge them all based on how a select few may act, but especially how a select few of them may act when taking part in a celebration of their sexuality.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Hindus believe, I think, that one of the cycles of existence ends by everyone being gay.
I’d like to know where you sourced this. Obviously I missed something when my parents explained my religion to me.[/quote]
Okay, well, you’re Hindu, so you might be more interested than me. Anyway, aren’t there 4 big cycles of existence and each one ends with some major event? One ends when everyone is gay. Your parents are probably Brahmins so they wouldn’t discuss this with you when you were a child.
Do some research, as will I, as it has kindled my interest.
And…Hare Krishna, Hare Rama.
Arjuna 
Russell Peters was actually on the money when he was talking about how most gay people don’t like flamboyant gays. Makes them look bad. Usually they are just as productive in society as the next person.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Okay, well, you’re Hindu, so you might be more interested than me. Anyway, aren’t there 4 big cycles of existence and each one ends with some major event? One ends when everyone is gay. Your parents are probably Brahmins so they wouldn’t discuss this with you when you were a child.
Do some research, as will I, as it has kindled my interest.
And…Hare Krishna, Hare Rama.
Arjuna ;)[/quote]
Fully confused now. I assume you’re talking about the concept of a Yuga? Well, if it interests you, we are in the Kali Yuga now. Symptoms are meant to be:
[i]Avarice and wrath will be common, men will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of Dharma will occur. Lust will be viewed as being socially acceptable. People will have thoughts of murder for no justification, and they will see nothing wrong with that mind-set.
People will be inclined to follow false sciences. Family murders will also occur. People will see those who are helpless as easy targets and remove everything from them.
Many other unwanted changes will occur. The right hand will deceive the left and the left the right. Men with false reputation of learning will teach the Truth and the old will betray the senselessness of the young, and the young will betray the dotage of the old. Cowards will have the reputation of bravery and the brave will be enervated cowards. People will not trust a single person in the world, not even their immediate family. Even husband and wife will find contempt in each other.
In the Kali Yuga even pre-teenage girls will get pregnant. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of sexual intercourse as being the central requirement of life.
It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soonafter.
Alongside death and famine being everywhere, men will have lustful thoughts and so will women. People will without reason destroy trees and gardens. As previously mentioned, men will murder. There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.
People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks. Men will find their jobs stressful and will go to retreats to escape their work.
Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.
As the sin increases exponentially, so will the incidence of divine justice and wrath.[/i]
Nothing in there about homosexuality.
Tell me, HH - are you familiar with the concept of tritiya-prakriti? Simply put, Hinduism recognizes the societal necessity of effeminate males, masculine females and homosexuals.
In some versions of the Krittivasa Ramayana, the most popular Bengali text on the pastimes of Lord Ramachandra (an incarnation of Vishnu), there is an interesting narrative of two queens that conceived a child together. When the famous king of the Sun Dynasty, Maharaja Dilipa, died, the demigods become concerned that he did not have a son to continue his line. Lord Shiva therefore appeared before the king’s two widowed queens and commanded them, “You two make love together and by my blessings you will bear a beautiful son.” The two wives, with great affection for each other, executed Shiva’s order until one of them conceived a child. Unfortunately, however, the child was born boneless, but by the blessings of a sage, Astavakra, the child was restored to full health and continued the dynasty. Astavakra accordingly named the child “Bhagiratha” - he who was born from two vulvas (bhaga). Bhagiratha later became one of the most famous kings of India and is credited with bringing the Ganges River down to earth through his austerities.
From the Kama Shastra : Citizens with this kind of [homosexual] inclination, who renounce women and can do without them willingly because they love one another, get married together, bound by a deep and trusting friendship.
Probably not a good idea to try to associate anti-gay sentiments with actual Hinduism.
And my parents are Kshatriya’s, although they don’t think much of the “modern” caste system.
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mhhh…you’re born with black skin whereas you choose where to stick your cock.
Unproven at the moment. There are some studies confirming a genetic link and others trashing said link.
I guess the thing is being black isn’t a flaw. Be it either genetically or psychologically, I don’t think you can deny being gay is a flaw.
I look at it like a handicap. I would not make fun of a handicapped person, but I would not want blind people to be allowed to drive. [/quote]
Ermmmmm - why is being gay a flaw?
No one’s casting aspersions against Hinduism. My best friend is a Brahmanas (math prof, and his wife is a computer prof — smartest people I’ve ever met). But I distinctly remember reading that one of the Yugas ends with everyone being gay.
I don’t know if we’re in Kali Yuga. Scholars disagree on that.
Hare Krishna!
Since we’re up around 6 billion people now, has gayness increased with global population?
What’s are the gayness statistics of dense areas like China or India?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
No one’s casting aspersions against Hinduism. My best friend is a Brahmanas (math prof, and his wife is a computer prof — smartest people I’ve ever met). But I distinctly remember reading that one of the Yugas ends with everyone being gay.[/quote]
I’d very much like to read a source if you have one. Furthering my knowledge of all things spiritual has always been a pastime of mine.
Yes, that is true. Some people believe we are in the Dvapara Yuga.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
What’s are the gayness statistics of dense areas like China or India?[/quote]
Hard to tell, the social stigma there keeps them from coming out. I’d wager that there’s probably an similar distribution to western society.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
It does. Overcrowding results in food shortages. One way of dealing with this on a global scale has been reducing the number of offspring produced. This is most seen in rodents and other species who reproduce quickly and have a lot of offspring. Species where a meaningful difference in access to resources can be achieved in a short time.
Since we’re up around 6 billion people now, has gayness increased with global population?
What’s are the gayness statistics of dense areas like China or India? [/quote]
Not sure. Like Makavali said, probably hard to get an accurate reading in places like that. Not sure any studies of this nature have been done, either. It’d be interesting to see if it plays out at all in the human population and if the same link is seen.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Just curious, Makavali — are you gay?
Anyway, people are homophobic because homosexuality is anti-life. Life is meant to expand, to grow, to break down barriers and develop new thoughts. Part of that is having children. It is NOT from taking it up the pooper from some stranger you picked up in a bar.
Being truly gay means that you don’t have kids. That means nature fucked up in your wiring. Life begets life. Life attacks the anti-life…and that’s where healthy instincts like homophobia come from.
All the best!
HH[/quote]
You are a fucking moron.
Just throwing that out there again, in case any poor soul thought you had either a cognitive thought in your head or any shred of common sense… I try to remind people how much of a massive retard you are, but you do a fine job with every post that comes from your hateful typing.
Rot in hell.
<3,
FightinIrish
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hindus believe, I think, that one of the cycles of existence ends by everyone being gay.
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Well, we have been in the Kali Yuga, the final age of the cycle, since about 3000 B.C. It is supposed to last 432,000 years. That means we have 427 thousand years until the end of the cycle.
I doubt there is more homosexuality now than there was in 3000 BC.
In any case, even if all you are saying is true. We have a good 400 thousand years before we all go gay.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Just curious, Makavali — are you gay?
Anyway, people are homophobic because homosexuality is anti-life. Life is meant to expand, to grow, to break down barriers and develop new thoughts. Part of that is having children. It is NOT from taking it up the pooper from some stranger you picked up in a bar.
Being truly gay means that you don’t have kids. That means nature fucked up in your wiring. Life begets life. Life attacks the anti-life…and that’s where healthy instincts like homophobia come from.
All the best!
HH
You are a fucking moron.
Just throwing that out there again, in case any poor soul thought you had either a cognitive thought in your head or any shred of common sense… I try to remind people how much of a massive retard you are, but you do a fine job with every post that comes from your hateful typing.
Rot in hell.
<3,
FightinIrish
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LOL!!
Isaiah 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he [God] hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Just curious, Makavali — are you gay?
Anyway, people are homophobic because homosexuality is anti-life. Life is meant to expand, to grow, to break down barriers and develop new thoughts. Part of that is having children. It is NOT from taking it up the pooper from some stranger you picked up in a bar.
Being truly gay means that you don’t have kids. That means nature fucked up in your wiring. Life begets life. Life attacks the anti-life…and that’s where healthy instincts like homophobia come from.
All the best!
HH
You are a fucking moron.
Just throwing that out there again, in case any poor soul thought you had either a cognitive thought in your head or any shred of common sense… I try to remind people how much of a massive retard you are, but you do a fine job with every post that comes from your hateful typing.
Rot in hell.
<3,
FightinIrish
LOL!!
Isaiah 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he [God] hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
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Matthew 7: Judge lest ye shall not be judged. ‘Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.’ Words you live by? Don’t think so. In fact, you pretty regularly seem to selectively choose pieces of the Bible that suit you and discard those that don’t. A flaw too many so-called relgious and moral people suffer from.