Homophobia

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mhhh…you’re born with black skin whereas you choose where to stick your cock.

Unproven at the moment. There are some studies confirming a genetic link and others trashing said link.

I guess the thing is being black isn’t a flaw. Be it either genetically or psychologically, I don’t think you can deny being gay is a flaw.

I look at it like a handicap. I would not make fun of a handicapped person, but I would not want blind people to be allowed to drive. [/quote]

Nor should women.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Just curious, Makavali — are you gay?

Anyway, people are homophobic because homosexuality is anti-life. Life is meant to expand, to grow, to break down barriers and develop new thoughts. Part of that is having children. It is NOT from taking it up the pooper from some stranger you picked up in a bar.

Being truly gay means that you don’t have kids. That means nature fucked up in your wiring. Life begets life. Life attacks the anti-life…and that’s where healthy instincts like homophobia come from.

All the best!
HH[/quote]
Obviously gay people can and do have children.

So that’s a fake point.

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I don’t believe sexual orientation is a matter of choice. I’m no hetero by choice! If it was just a matter of choice there wouldn’t be homos in countries like Iran…
It’s not like one day you wake up and think “Oh yeah I feel so gay today! Let’s be a homo!”

I do believe most anti gay guys are themselves insecure about their own sexual identity so they feel threaten by gay people, they’re afraid to get teh ghey.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
pat wrote:
What? Are you some kind of fag?

.[/quote]

Awesome pic!

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[quote]Franck wrote:
I don’t believe sexual orientation is a matter of choice. I’m no hetero by choice! If it was just a matter of choice there wouldn’t be homos in countries like Iran…
It’s not like one day you wake up and think “Oh yeah I feel so gay today! Let’s be a homo!”

I do believe most anti gay guys are themselves insecure about their own sexual identity so they feel threaten by gay people, they’re afraid to get teh ghey. [/quote]

I’d say you’re right. It’s not like my parents ever told me to like breasts and pussy, I just do. It’s innate. The same probably holds true for homosexuals.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

It’s when I see comments like “If we ever have an openly gay President… I will raise my American flag to half-staff and go into mourning for my country…What sort of abomination would be next?” that I think to myself… ‘Hey wait a minute, that’s going beyond a joke. That’s actually pretty bigoted’.[/quote]

I don’t know which is the sadder day. The day that someone wins the office of President and chooses to identify themselves as gay or the day that someone can’t say they’ll move to BFE and mourn the death of their gov’t, for any reason, without being labeled. I know a society that shuns one man for speaking honestly while another is lauded for the gender of who he has sex with is a society I don’t want to be a part of.

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -H.L. Mencken

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Makavali wrote:

It’s when I see comments like “If we ever have an openly gay President… I will raise my American flag to half-staff and go into mourning for my country…What sort of abomination would be next?” that I think to myself… ‘Hey wait a minute, that’s going beyond a joke. That’s actually pretty bigoted’.

I don’t know which is the sadder day. The day that someone wins the office of President and chooses to identify themselves as gay or the day that someone can’t say they’ll move to BFE and mourn the death of their gov’t, for any reason, without being labeled. I know a society that shuns one man for speaking honestly while another is lauded for the gender of who he has sex with is a society I don’t want to be a part of.

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -H.L. Mencken[/quote]

I agree. Too bad the proposed scenerio is actually one man being shunned for bigotry while the other is lauded for being honest about the gender of who he has sex with.

To the OP: the reason for the homophobia in our society, today, appeared earlier in this thread: People have stopped asking why it even exists and have just accepted it. “Its just, like, how it is, man!”

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Just curious, Makavali — are you gay?

Anyway, people are homophobic because homosexuality is anti-life. Life is meant to expand, to grow, to break down barriers and develop new thoughts. Part of that is having children. It is NOT from taking it up the pooper from some stranger you picked up in a bar.

Being truly gay means that you don’t have kids. That means nature fucked up in your wiring. Life begets life. Life attacks the anti-life…and that’s where healthy instincts like homophobia come from.

All the best!
HH[/quote]

circular reasoning

and not an issue at 6 billion and counting. Given that number being gay might be pro-surviving of our species, ergo good, using your definition.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
lucasa wrote:
Makavali wrote:

It’s when I see comments like “If we ever have an openly gay President… I will raise my American flag to half-staff and go into mourning for my country…What sort of abomination would be next?” that I think to myself… ‘Hey wait a minute, that’s going beyond a joke. That’s actually pretty bigoted’.

I don’t know which is the sadder day. The day that someone wins the office of President and chooses to identify themselves as gay or the day that someone can’t say they’ll move to BFE and mourn the death of their gov’t, for any reason, without being labeled. I know a society that shuns one man for speaking honestly while another is lauded for the gender of who he has sex with is a society I don’t want to be a part of.

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -H.L. Mencken

I agree. Too bad the proposed scenerio is actually one man being shunned for bigotry while the other is lauded for being honest about the gender of who he has sex with.[/quote]

How the hell is a post about moving to Colorado and flying the flag at half-staff bigotry? Had he said he would shoot the ass-fucking spawn of Satan and any person he claimed as a partner in the face and burn their adoptive offspring, you might have a case (even then he’s only threatened a hypothetical person). If the worst thing he ever does to a homosexual is move to Colorado and fly the flag at half-staff I hate to see what you would force him to do to be tolerant.

The funniest part about it is the labeling of relatively upstanding and tolerant individuals is actually happening and you’re a part of it. Good to see the relativist gray-matter grinder has no shortage of zombies to help invalidate and obfuscate perfectly coherent thought.

To the OP: The reason for homophobia in our society today is to serve as pseudo-intellectual trump card for those seeking social validation for their feelings. No one suffers from homophobia, there’s no therapy for homophobia, there’s no evidence that heterosexuals are any more homophobic than homosexuals (self-hatred would be a good reason to be in the closet). People don’t want to accept that there may be legitimate reasons not to openly embrace and socially encourage homosexuality so they pass their views off as tolerant and label everyone else as bigoted homophobes.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Why?

Why do people care? I see a lot of homophobia on this site and even in the world at large.

I don’t understand it. Can someone shed some light on this? It’s not like you can actually catch gay, the gay people I know don’t force their “lifestyle” on others. Hell, most of the gay people I know are pretty normal (i.e. not “Hey look at me! I’m gay!”).

If your problem is with the “loud and proud” ones, maybe stand back and think about why they feel the need to be “loud and proud”?

Just to inject some humor into this thread: - YouTube

But in all seriousness, can someone explain it to me? What did the homos do to you that you have to be so afraid of them?[/quote]

I make fun of gays but thats just because I know a ton,both male and female.
I hang out with them not because of who they like to do but because there are really chill people ,like all my friends.

I am personally a very open minded person
but it just goes to people are afraid of what we do not know.

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[quote]orion wrote:

circular reasoning

and not an issue at 6 billion and counting. Given that number being gay might be pro-surviving of our species, ergo good, using your definition.
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Let’s assume there are 6 billion people on this planet because of heterosexual relationships and it’s come at a phenomenal cost of effort and resources. What effort and resources do homosexuals contribute to future generations? Anything that even remotely resembles the population of the planet?

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
lucasa wrote:
Makavali wrote:

It’s when I see comments like “If we ever have an openly gay President… I will raise my American flag to half-staff and go into mourning for my country…What sort of abomination would be next?” that I think to myself… ‘Hey wait a minute, that’s going beyond a joke. That’s actually pretty bigoted’.

I don’t know which is the sadder day. The day that someone wins the office of President and chooses to identify themselves as gay or the day that someone can’t say they’ll move to BFE and mourn the death of their gov’t, for any reason, without being labeled. I know a society that shuns one man for speaking honestly while another is lauded for the gender of who he has sex with is a society I don’t want to be a part of.

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -H.L. Mencken

I agree. Too bad the proposed scenerio is actually one man being shunned for bigotry while the other is lauded for being honest about the gender of who he has sex with.

How the hell is a post about moving to Colorado and flying the flag at half-staff bigotry? Had he said he would shoot the ass-fucking spawn of Satan and any person he claimed as a partner in the face and burn their adoptive offspring, you might have a case (even then he’s only threatened a hypothetical person). If the worst thing he ever does to a homosexual is move to Colorado and fly the flag at half-staff I hate to see what you would force him to do to be tolerant.
[/quote]

Oh hey I remember this. Its like the time I said that people carrying “god hates fags” signs indicates homophobia in our society, and you attacked me for “forcing them to change their signs”, and that dipshit mick and other fool emily chimed in to berate me for “trampling peoples free speech”.

Too bad, in both cases, I did neither.

I wouldnt force him not to more to wherever and do whatever he wants with whatever symbol he wants. But I will note that it would be bigoted of him, and encourage others to note his bigory (while allowing him to do as he pleases, so long as it doesnt harm anyone else).

If all you’re going to do is sling mindless accusations that I try to “force” anyone to do anything, just give it up now.

Bigotry is not coherent thought. Taking any kind of stand against a gay president (even symbolic) is bigotry.

[quote]

To the OP: the reason for the homophobia in our society, today, appeared earlier in this thread: People have stopped asking why it even exists and have just accepted it. “Its just, like, how it is, man!”

To the OP: The reason for homophobia in our society today is to serve as pseudo-intellectual trump card for those seeking social validation for their feelings. No one suffers from homophobia, there’s no therapy for homophobia, there’s no evidence that heterosexuals are any more homophobic than homosexuals (self-hatred would be a good reason to be in the closet). People don’t want to accept that there may be legitimate reasons not to openly embrace and socially encourage homosexuality so they pass their views off as tolerant and label everyone else as bigoted homophobes.[/quote]

Too bad that, in reality, there aren’t legitimate reasons not to.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
orion wrote:

circular reasoning

and not an issue at 6 billion and counting. Given that number being gay might be pro-surviving of our species, ergo good, using your definition.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Let’s assume there are 6 billion people on this planet because of heterosexual relationships and it’s come at a phenomenal cost of effort and resources. What effort and resources do homosexuals contribute to future generations? Anything that even remotely resembles the population of the planet?[/quote]

Since I did not say that homosexuality causes anything, there cannot be said fallacy in my argument.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
lucasa wrote:
Makavali wrote:

It’s when I see comments like “If we ever have an openly gay President… I will raise my American flag to half-staff and go into mourning for my country…What sort of abomination would be next?” that I think to myself… ‘Hey wait a minute, that’s going beyond a joke. That’s actually pretty bigoted’.

I don’t know which is the sadder day. The day that someone wins the office of President and chooses to identify themselves as gay or the day that someone can’t say they’ll move to BFE and mourn the death of their gov’t, for any reason, without being labeled. I know a society that shuns one man for speaking honestly while another is lauded for the gender of who he has sex with is a society I don’t want to be a part of.

Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -H.L. Mencken

I agree. Too bad the proposed scenerio is actually one man being shunned for bigotry while the other is lauded for being honest about the gender of who he has sex with.

How the hell is a post about moving to Colorado and flying the flag at half-staff bigotry? [/quote]

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology.

The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of “religious hypocrite”, especially a woman. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

You´re welcome.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Too bad that, in reality, there aren’t legitimate reasons not to. [/quote]

But he has given you one.

Homosexuals do not further the agenda he has set for the collective.

As a conservative he is all about a government forcing people to serve the greater good.

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Couldn’t care less what other people choose to do in their bedrooms.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mhhh…you’re born with black skin whereas you choose where to stick your cock.

Unproven at the moment. There are some studies confirming a genetic link and others trashing said link. [/quote]

I don’t give a damn about genetic links. For all we know, there’s a genetic link for alcoholics, murderers, fatties and child molesters. My natural instinct tells me to stick it in anything with a pulse. It tells me to eat junk food.

Whether you choose to repress it or not, is nobody’s choice but yours. If we were all to act based on our instincts, the world would go to shit.

So I repeat: “You choose where to stick your cock”. It does not matter if you have a gene somewhere that make you more attracted to the same sex as yours. You still CHOOSE to fulfill it (no pun intended).

Clear?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mhhh…you’re born with black skin whereas you choose where to stick your cock.

Unproven at the moment. There are some studies confirming a genetic link and others trashing said link.

I don’t give a damn about genetic links. For all we know, there’s a genetic link for alcoholics, murderers, fatties and child molesters. My natural instinct tells me to stick it in anything with a pulse. It tells me to eat junk food.

Whether you choose to repress it or not, is nobody’s choice but yours. If we were all to act based on our instincts, the world would go to shit.

So I repeat: “You choose where to stick your cock”. It does not matter if you have a gene somewhere that make you more attracted to the same sex as yours. You still CHOOSE to fulfill it (no pun intended).

Clear?[/quote]

I don’t know about you, but I’ve never had to repress an urge to have sex with a man. It seems to me that the anti-gay argument of “you need to control it just like everyone else” comes from closet homos.

It’s probably why conservatives are over-represented among visitors to anonymous gay sex houses. If you are curious, read “The Tea Room Trade”. Lab studies have corroborated this, by the way.

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[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mhhh…you’re born with black skin whereas you choose where to stick your cock.

Unproven at the moment. There are some studies confirming a genetic link and others trashing said link.

I don’t give a damn about genetic links. For all we know, there’s a genetic link for alcoholics, murderers, fatties and child molesters. My natural instinct tells me to stick it in anything with a pulse. It tells me to eat junk food.

Whether you choose to repress it or not, is nobody’s choice but yours. If we were all to act based on our instincts, the world would go to shit.

So I repeat: “You choose where to stick your cock”. It does not matter if you have a gene somewhere that make you more attracted to the same sex as yours. You still CHOOSE to fulfill it (no pun intended).

Clear?

I don’t know about you, but I’ve never had to repress an urge to have sex with a man. It seems to me that the anti-gay argument of “you need to control it just like everyone else” comes from closet homos.

It’s probably why conservatives are over-represented among visitors to anonymous gay sex houses. If you are curious, read “The Tea Room Trade”. Lab studies have corroborated this, by the way.[/quote]

Did you never have to repress an urge to have sex?

With whom or what is irrelevant to my argument.

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It astounds me how people can still place value judgments on others because of their sexual orientation.

Regardless of my level of arousal I can’t engage in anything homosexual. I don’t choose to not be attracted it’s just who I am. I am sure gay people feel the same.

What about people like me, straight and who choose not to have kids? Do I fall into some gray area regarding species propagation?

In general:
Mind your own business.
Take care of you and yours.
Strive to make your little patch of the world a better place.
And shut the fuck up.