Never took offense for one second, now that I know what you meant I’m laughing my ass off.
it comes out to about 40g of each, (so 80g carbs and 40 protein). also, whoever asked about sipping or gulping it, i usually just chug it. makes it more fun, i dont drink alcohol anymore so i have to pretend. once in a while during a protein + fat meal i will also put flax seed oil in a shot glass and take shots 
To address Mike’s question of gastric empting time, one trick that may help speed gastric emptying time is to mix your Surge into warm (100 degree F) water. Supposedly, the pyloric valve (between the stomach and intestine) opens almost immediately if the fluid hitting the stomach is already at “core” body temperature – otherwise, it would stay in the stomach until it achieves core temperature. JB, Bill Roberts, Brock what your thoughts on this?? Is it going to make any difference or is it just majoring in minor things???
Post workout there is nothing better than Surge! For those who can’t afford it I would suggest asking yourself how you could if you really wanted to? Are you spending money on other supplements that aren’t delivering?..ditch the honey goat weed! How much are you spending on coffee, soda, or other tasty beverages each week? How much on fast food or non-priority items? It always amazes me that someone will spend $3.50 a day for a Starbuck’s 100% ion exchanged, micro-filtered half-caf and say that surge is too expensive.
Now if I had to come up homemade surge knockoff, here is what I would take. Endurox R4 + enough Hydrolyzed Whey Protein to create a 2:1 carb to protein ratio. You could fool with this some more by adding additional glutamine and bcaa’s, but by the time you get done, it will easier, tastier and probably cheaper just to buy the Surge.
Midnight, my budget is already tapped man! I never buy fast food, rarely spend money on coffee, haven’t bought a soda in about 2 years, and my nutrition log includes only basic foods (tuna, ground beef, eggs, rice, oatmeal, milk, etc.). I can’t afford Surge, you have to believe me! Keep in mind I’m a student and I’m sure you’ll rethink your criticism. I know what you mean though about some people saying supplements are too expensive and then spending $$ on useless crap. It’s pretty funny.
Midnight, good post. I see so many trainees doing this…wasting money on all kinds of crap…and then saying that they cant afford the things that could really make a diff. As far as the temp of the stuff, I wouldnt mess with it. Too much hassel. Since it seems like you know your stuff, Ill share this one with ya. If you decrease osmolality of a drink, gastric emptying speeds up. So therefore, using more water would definately decrease abs time. Also if there is fluid in there already it speeds up. This is a side benefit of my workout drink of 1L water with some power drive and carbs. More water in the GI when I drink the surge. Therefore decreased absorption times. However, this probably doesnt make a huge diff either as the lab data shows that the glucose peak w/ surge occurs at 15 min and then begins to really dive at 30 min. With other drinks tested the glucose peaks at 30-60min.
I hunted down the ingredients on the web and calculated the exact cost (except for shipping)of homemade vs. Surge ordering from Biotest using household scale production (i.e. no kilotonne economies of scale). Surge costs almost exactly 50 cents more per scoop than homebrew. If you use two scoops per workout at four workouts a week, that’s about $208 for the convenience and aesthetics of Surge. I think this shows that TC and company were’nt kidding when they said they couldn’t make this product any cheaper–certainly not at half the final price as they–and certainly we–had hoped!
You’re not shopping at the right places Newbie. I can make my homemade brew (exact same ingredients) for just a little over 1/2 the price of Surge. But, even with the cheaper cost, I still blend my homemade mix 1/2 and 1/2 with Surge for taste reasons.