Homeless Wiggers?

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Defending the term “wigger” doesn’t do you any favor’s either. Especially when it’s a blatant terminology for saying “a white guy who acts like a nigger.” Don’t act as if Prof X brought race into this.

Please then, defend the term “Nigger”, predominantly used by black people to describe other black people?

How come you can call each other this in the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?

Why is it fully acceptable for a black comedian to say “nigger this… and nigger that”, and it’s all funny and good?

But Wigger…damn that’s racist!!

Not defending either side here, but that question is pretty obvious. Doesn’t the black race have a social responsibility to shunn the term entirely themselves?

Please defend making assumptions about me based on the color of my skin.

Let me clear it up then.

“How come black people can call each other this the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?”

Regardless of any “assumption”, I still don’t have an answer to the question.

The word nigger is offensive and ugly whether I hear black guys from the hood saying it or neo nazi whites saying it. What is wrong with decent people whether black, white, or ‘green’, choosing not to use it as beholding to common decency and what is right? We can’t change what others whether in the hood or aryan brotherhood say, but we can change what we choose to say.

Goes for the word wigger as well which we all know means white nigger and implies a white person is no better then a ‘nigger’ and nigger being a derogatory word for blacks.

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Dude…I get all that and I agree.

Still the queztion goes unanswered. Why then do black people even use the word to describe each other? Does it not send a message of acceptablity when it is used among that very group of people?

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From what I can tell from talking to older black folks, before black panthers and such, is that there is no way to explain it. It goes like this, everything was cool while black folks called each other that when there was no white people around. It was an unwritten rule you did not use it around other people, but young artist and young activist after the black panthers started using it in front of white people and pandora’s box opened up so to speak.

It’s like a hillbilly calling another white country person a hillbilly. It’s fine between you two, but if a black person or a Hispanic person says it, it is a fight. Yet, just like in high school when I was ordained to use the word, but was told to only use it in that group of black folks. There is a few black people, city people, and Hispanics that can get away with calling me a hillbilly to my face.

I never understood the difference between the ending -er and -a, the one time someone did try to explain to me they told me -er was how white folks said it and -a was the way it was said between the brothers. However, that never made since because all the literature like to kill a mocking bird sure didn’t use -er.

With that being said, I leave with this video:

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http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20091101/Agassi_mullet_hairpiece_his_biggest_worry_in_first_Grand_Slam_final

Do I have the right definition of the word wigger here?

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[quote]Genocide_General wrote:
I’m not going to get into this racial crap, but I have to say, anyone that dresses hip-hop/ghetto looks like a douche. Wearing big baggy clothes, a huge shirt, usually with some retarded design or picture of Tony Montana, and a big dumb chain and a big hat tilted to the side, well that just makes you look like an immature tool. Everyone is free to have their own style, but when I see grown men dressed like this and talking like a dyslexic rapper, well I can’t help but laugh.

And it’s all just style, race has nothing to do with it.[/quote]

What if we think people with tattoos of guns on their backs look like a douche?

I mean, what could be more “ghetto” than that?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
From what I can tell from talking to older black folks, before black panthers and such, is that there is no way to explain it. It goes like this, everything was cool while black folks called each other that when there was no white people around. It was an unwritten rule you did not use it around other people, but young artist and young activist after the black panthers started using it in front of white people and pandora’s box opened up so to speak.
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It started back in the seventies with blaxploitation movies (which were embraced by the younger generation of Black Panthers). The general focus of those movies was the idea that a black hero goes on on a mission to win back power from the corrupt white establishment (personified by ‘the man’), and is victorious.

This struck a chord with a lot of people, and they began to adopt the language of those movies, including - you’ve guessed it - referring to each other as ‘nigger’ (which in itself was an attempt to take what was traditionally seen as a symbol of white dominance, and turn it against the oppressor).

At the time, it was used between young blacks as a term of solidarity more than anything else; an emblem of making a stand against persecution.

Clearly the potency of that message has been diluted. A lot has happened in the last forty years, and it is certainly needs to be asked why we even need to use it today.

Especially since it has become the equivalent of a ‘verbal high-five’ to most people, yet still carries the negative connotations which led to its creation in the first place.

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…As an aside, I seriously doubt that whoever coined the term ‘wigger’ was aware of any of the above. The fact remains that its origins lie in a word that remains deeply offensive to many.

The problem is that wigger is meant to be a humorous word, but ‘nigger’, by its very nature, is not. No matter how harmless you think ‘wigger’ is, it is still tainted by the hate and prejudice that spawned its ‘parent’.

I’m white, and I’ve never used either word outside of this thread. It’s not because of political correctness, either. Most of these moral crusaders don’t have a fucking clue. I just have enough perspective to know that, even though some dude out there doesn’t mind his best buddy calling him ‘nigga’ as a term of endearment, there is also some dumb shit white supremacist using the word as it was originally intended.

Surely when somebody uses any potentially offensive word, the responsibility doesn’t fall on the listener to remain unoffended by what they hear…

To quote the great philosopher Cher: “Words are like weapons, they wound sometimes”.

That’s all I’ve got. Now can someone please give me a hand to get down from my soapbox?

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It’s just my sphere, but I know of more homeless whites than blacks.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Defending the term “wigger” doesn’t do you any favor’s either. Especially when it’s a blatant terminology for saying “a white guy who acts like a nigger.” Don’t act as if Prof X brought race into this.

Please then, defend the term “Nigger”, predominantly used by black people to describe other black people?

How come you can call each other this in the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?

Why is it fully acceptable for a black comedian to say “nigger this… and nigger that”, and it’s all funny and good?

But Wigger…damn that’s racist!!

Not defending either side here, but that question is pretty obvious. Doesn’t the black race have a social responsibility to shunn the term entirely themselves?

Please defend making assumptions about me based on the color of my skin.

Let me clear it up then.

“How come black people can call each other this the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?”

Regardless of any “assumption”, I still don’t have an answer to the question.

The word nigger is offensive and ugly whether I hear black guys from the hood saying it or neo nazi whites saying it. What is wrong with decent people whether black, white, or ‘green’, choosing not to use it as beholding to common decency and what is right? We can’t change what others whether in the hood or aryan brotherhood say, but we can change what we choose to say.

Goes for the word wigger as well which we all know means white nigger and implies a white person is no better then a ‘nigger’ and nigger being a derogatory word for blacks.

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Is this T-Nation or PC Nation? I mean yea people should be respectful to other people, but people also need to stop being cry baby pussies. Episode #1 of Chapelle show is possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen with Clayton Bigsby, the black white supremist. Yet they use the word nigger along with about every other derogitory term on the face of the planet about 1000 times. The way some of you are describing how bad these derogitory words hurt you, I would think it would burn my ears out when I watch that episode, yet, nope, I laugh my ass off. Amazing How I can take things into the context they were meant without going off the deep end.

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Then why don’t you stop crying? :-P[/quote]

I’m not crying, I just happened to be cutting up some onions while I was posting. :wink:

V

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I’m not defending the term, but it’s pretty much the only accurate term to describe that type of person.

V

Really?

Well then give me an alternative word that is widley understood in society. My guess is if you could have, you would have already used it.

V

That’s part of the problem…why do we need labels for people of our(your) own race that don’t fit our “ideal” perceptions of how our(your) particular race/culture should be.

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Hey, you brought it up not me. I guess I could call every fuckstick on the planet, “fuckstick” but then that is derogitory also. I think the real problem some of you have is you want everyone to just be nice. Yet I would bet one trillion dollars that at one time or another, ALL of you have uttered, and laughed at the utterance of any of the below listed derogatory words. Cunt, Pussy, Bitch, Faggot, Asshole, Dickhead, nigger, jew, sand nigger, towel head, dot head, ginger, guinea, wop, wetback, mother fucker, shit stain, etc. etc. etc…

Derogatory words are derogatory words, they are specifically designed to put a group of people down. I get it, I get that those words are hurtful when used in certain situations, I really get it. What I don’t get is why there isn’t a crusade against dot head, towel head, Slut, Whore, wetback, or any other derogitory word? Because black people were the only slaves on the face of the planet earth? White people never enslaved eachother? It goes back to slavery, yet no one here has ever experienced being a slave, nor their parents or grandparents. You read about it in a book, or heard it in a lecture and you have been pissed off about it ever since.

My basic stance on this is as follows. Derogatory words are bad when used in a manner to purposefully hurt an individual. When a boyfriend doesn’t get his dinner on time and starts berating his grilfriend calling her a slut and a worthless whore, THAT is bad and that shit pisses me off. When it’s anonymous and used in a joking lighthearted manner, like many comedians use derogitory words, then it is fine and ok. The OP used the word in a comical manner, hey, look at the “wigger” who is now a beggar, isn’t that kinda funny?

He wasn’t trying to be dominant over black people, he wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, etc… Everyone knows this yet the racism police do not look for utterances of a derogatory word used in a hurtful manner, they simply look at the utterance of any specific derogatory word and start going off on the use of it and generally repeating thier arguments, and little jokes amongst themselves about how this proves racism is still alive and how hard thier lives have been because they are a certain race.

I can go on this debate all day long, but no one on the other side of this is interested in debate, all you want to do is throw emotional shit my way and not argue any of the points. Go read some of Bill Cosby’s stuff, or is he a racist too?

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This might help.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

Defending the term “wigger” doesn’t do you any favor’s either. Especially when it’s a blatant terminology for saying “a white guy who acts like a nigger.” Don’t act as if Prof X brought race into this.

Please then, defend the term “Nigger”, predominantly used by black people to describe other black people?

How come you can call each other this in the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?

Why is it fully acceptable for a black comedian to say “nigger this… and nigger that”, and it’s all funny and good?

But Wigger…damn that’s racist!!

Not defending either side here, but that question is pretty obvious. Doesn’t the black race have a social responsibility to shunn the term entirely themselves?

Please defend making assumptions about me based on the color of my skin.

Let me clear it up then.

“How come black people can call each other this the first place, then come out and get pissed when someone outside the black race uses the word or a takeoff on it to describe a non black?”

Regardless of any “assumption”, I still don’t have an answer to the question.

The word nigger is offensive and ugly whether I hear black guys from the hood saying it or neo nazi whites saying it. What is wrong with decent people whether black, white, or ‘green’, choosing not to use it as beholding to common decency and what is right? We can’t change what others whether in the hood or aryan brotherhood say, but we can change what we choose to say.

Goes for the word wigger as well which we all know means white nigger and implies a white person is no better then a ‘nigger’ and nigger being a derogatory word for blacks.

D

Is this T-Nation or PC Nation? I mean yea people should be respectful to other people, but people also need to stop being cry baby pussies. Episode #1 of Chapelle show is possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen with Clayton Bigsby, the black white supremist. Yet they use the word nigger along with about every other derogitory term on the face of the planet about 1000 times. The way some of you are describing how bad these derogitory words hurt you, I would think it would burn my ears out when I watch that episode, yet, nope, I laugh my ass off. Amazing How I can take things into the context they were meant without going off the deep end.

V

Well, you’re just such a ‘perfect’ guy who handles everything so swell and is tough beyond words. Great to be you, congrats.

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Why respond like that? To me that means you have nothing for me so you are just throwing your hands up and now you will fall back to emotional arguments and personal attacks? BTW, your dripping sarcasm laced praise is certainly a personal attack no?

I have no problem discussing this, I do not want to get into an emotionally charged debate however because this topic is too emotional to begin with and if we aren’t discussing it using calm reasoned logic, we will get a lot of nothing but name calling and garbage.

V

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Can you see tell if this is a ‘wigger’ or not by having an indepth conversation with him?

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Photo won’t attach for some reason.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
meangenes wrote:

Wait, you mean to tell me that Hip Hop culture is so lucrative that it has crossed racial boundries? What are we coming to?

It’s hell on earth, I tell you. First, Justin Timberlake actually SINGS AND DANCES (I mean, he’s WHITE and he fucking DANCES!!!) and last I heard, there are GOOD white basketball players in the NBA!!!

What next, a black president??

I remember back when black people only said, “yessa, massa” and white people couldn’t jump. OH, where for art though, good 'ole days???[/quote]

Lol

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I think the biggest problem the world is facing right now is not homelessness, racial discrimination or terrorism/h1n1. It has got to be the douche… usually comes fully dressed in Ed Hardy gear… This is the new worlds evil.

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[quote]ChokeOnStrength wrote:
I think the biggest problem the world is facing right now is not homelessness, racial discrimination or terrorism/h1n1. It has got to be the douche… usually comes fully dressed in Ed Hardy gear… This is the new worlds evil.[/quote]

Be careful, there are people here who don’t think it’s acceptable to be making fun of other people based on how they dress, walk, talk, look, smell, etc… I think you need to take that back and apologise to the forums.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I’m not defending the term, but it’s pretty much the only accurate term to describe that type of person.

V

Really?

Well then give me an alternative word that is widley understood in society. My guess is if you could have, you would have already used it.

V

That’s part of the problem…why do we need labels for people of our(your) own race that don’t fit our “ideal” perceptions of how our(your) particular race/culture should be.

Hey, you brought it up not me. I guess I could call every fuckstick on the planet, “fuckstick” but then that is derogitory also. I think the real problem some of you have is you want everyone to just be nice. Yet I would bet one trillion dollars that at one time or another, ALL of you have uttered, and laughed at the utterance of any of the below listed derogatory words. Cunt, Pussy, Bitch, Faggot, Asshole, Dickhead, nigger, jew, sand nigger, towel head, dot head, ginger, guinea, wop, wetback, mother fucker, shit stain, etc. etc. etc…

Derogatory words are derogatory words, they are specifically designed to put a group of people down. I get it, I get that those words are hurtful when used in certain situations, I really get it. What I don’t get is why there isn’t a crusade against dot head, towel head, Slut, Whore, wetback, or any other derogitory word? Because black people were the only slaves on the face of the planet earth? White people never enslaved eachother? It goes back to slavery, yet no one here has ever experienced being a slave, nor their parents or grandparents. You read about it in a book, or heard it in a lecture and you have been pissed off about it ever since.

My basic stance on this is as follows. Derogatory words are bad when used in a manner to purposefully hurt an individual. When a boyfriend doesn’t get his dinner on time and starts berating his grilfriend calling her a slut and a worthless whore, THAT is bad and that shit pisses me off. When it’s anonymous and used in a joking lighthearted manner, like many comedians use derogitory words, then it is fine and ok. The OP used the word in a comical manner, hey, look at the “wigger” who is now a beggar, isn’t that kinda funny?

He wasn’t trying to be dominant over black people, he wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, etc… Everyone knows this yet the racism police do not look for utterances of a derogatory word used in a hurtful manner, they simply look at the utterance of any specific derogatory word and start going off on the use of it and generally repeating thier arguments, and little jokes amongst themselves about how this proves racism is still alive and how hard thier lives have been because they are a certain race.

I can go on this debate all day long, but no one on the other side of this is interested in debate, all you want to do is throw emotional shit my way and not argue any of the points. Go read some of Bill Cosby’s stuff, or is he a racist too?

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Dude,you jumped all over people who don’t share your view point in your initial post…and basically call some people hyper-sensitive race baiters(because there’s no way that “wigger” has anything to do with race)…yet you NOW want to “debate.” Get real. There is no logical debate with you…just you on your crusade to tell us how you’re right and we are wrong. Definitely a waste of time and effort. We disagree…nothing to debate.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
ChokeOnStrength wrote:
I think the biggest problem the world is facing right now is not homelessness, racial discrimination or terrorism/h1n1. It has got to be the douche… usually comes fully dressed in Ed Hardy gear… This is the new worlds evil.

Be careful, there are people here who don’t think it’s acceptable to be making fun of other people based on how they dress, walk, talk, look, smell, etc… I think you need to take that back and apologise to the forums.

V[/quote]

Damn, what can we make fun of people about?

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Vegita wrote:
I’m not defending the term, but it’s pretty much the only accurate term to describe that type of person.

V

Really?

Well then give me an alternative word that is widley understood in society. My guess is if you could have, you would have already used it.

V

That’s part of the problem…why do we need labels for people of our(your) own race that don’t fit our “ideal” perceptions of how our(your) particular race/culture should be.

Hey, you brought it up not me. I guess I could call every fuckstick on the planet, “fuckstick” but then that is derogitory also. I think the real problem some of you have is you want everyone to just be nice. Yet I would bet one trillion dollars that at one time or another, ALL of you have uttered, and laughed at the utterance of any of the below listed derogatory words. Cunt, Pussy, Bitch, Faggot, Asshole, Dickhead, nigger, jew, sand nigger, towel head, dot head, ginger, guinea, wop, wetback, mother fucker, shit stain, etc. etc. etc…

Derogatory words are derogatory words, they are specifically designed to put a group of people down. I get it, I get that those words are hurtful when used in certain situations, I really get it. What I don’t get is why there isn’t a crusade against dot head, towel head, Slut, Whore, wetback, or any other derogitory word? Because black people were the only slaves on the face of the planet earth? White people never enslaved eachother? It goes back to slavery, yet no one here has ever experienced being a slave, nor their parents or grandparents. You read about it in a book, or heard it in a lecture and you have been pissed off about it ever since.

My basic stance on this is as follows. Derogatory words are bad when used in a manner to purposefully hurt an individual. When a boyfriend doesn’t get his dinner on time and starts berating his grilfriend calling her a slut and a worthless whore, THAT is bad and that shit pisses me off. When it’s anonymous and used in a joking lighthearted manner, like many comedians use derogitory words, then it is fine and ok. The OP used the word in a comical manner, hey, look at the “wigger” who is now a beggar, isn’t that kinda funny?

He wasn’t trying to be dominant over black people, he wasn’t trying to be disrespectful, etc… Everyone knows this yet the racism police do not look for utterances of a derogatory word used in a hurtful manner, they simply look at the utterance of any specific derogatory word and start going off on the use of it and generally repeating thier arguments, and little jokes amongst themselves about how this proves racism is still alive and how hard thier lives have been because they are a certain race.

I can go on this debate all day long, but no one on the other side of this is interested in debate, all you want to do is throw emotional shit my way and not argue any of the points. Go read some of Bill Cosby’s stuff, or is he a racist too?

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Dude,you jumped all over people who don’t share your view point in your initial post…and basically call some people hyper-sensitive race baiters(because there’s no way that “wigger” has anything to do with race)…yet you NOW want to “debate.” Get real. There is no logical debate with you…just you on your crusade to tell us how you’re right and we are wrong. Definitely a waste of time and effort. We disagree…nothing to debate. [/quote]

If thats the way you feel, so be it. Last time I checked, I gave the notion that the label “wigger” was pretty much the only widley used term to describe what the OP intended to describe. You came back with “Really?” and then I suggested you maybe let me know what other name OP could have used to describe what he was talking about. You again failed to give an alternative and you came back with, why do we need labels? I mean look BB I like and respect you but lets not be so naive, people who share a commonality will ALWAYS be labeled as that is how the human mind works. It doesn’t mean that a single individual can’t be part of more than one grouping, and all with maybe very few exceptions are part of the group known as “Humans”. You are arguing against human nature. I am accepting human nature and even trying to understand it more deeply.

I think the difference between the two of us is that I understand where you are coming from. I really do, and I think you and others who hold the attitudes you do are only holding yourself down. I also think that you think I don’t know where you are coming from, and because of that, you are misunderstanding my viewpoints. You are projecting your own image of me, one that suits your views, so that I stop being an understanding caring but logical and thoughtful person, and instead I becomne an insensitive, white, asshole who is continuing the racial inequalities in our society by my lack of caring and understanding. Whatevs, I am too saddened by the 6th grade teacher thread debacle now to go on with this thread anymore. I really don’t think words are the problem, any word can be helpful or hurtful when spoken with a given tone or under certain circumstances. I can use the word love in a derogitory manner if you would like me to prove my point. I just wish people could look at the context a little more than just the word. Sorry if I have offended anyone in this thread.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

My single and ONLY point is:

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If back people don’t like it, they should STOP using the word themselves.
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That is all.[/quote]

Alright, Africans from all over the world, let’s huddle up! No more using the term Nigger. White people are getting confused and think that we are justifying using the word, even though there is a large percentage of us who have never and will never use that word.

I hope you understand my point, we are not one voice, one opinion. The whole concept of black leaders, (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) might lead you to believe that we all have the same beliefs, moral guidelines, etc but that is really not the case. I have very little in common with blacks from different cultures than my own, just as you probably have very little in common with whites of different cultures. More than ever, culture diversity is prevalent amongst blacks, hispanics, etc.

Some people will be fine with hearing that word, whether it be from another black person or not. I will never be okay with that word, and it sincerely bothers me, even hearing it, I know I am not the only one. I do not go around perpetuating hate language against whites because some of them might be okay with it, I would think that it is only fair that anyone who is the least bit respectful and tolerant of other cultures would do the same. I do not blame all white people for the evils of a few, so why would you disrespect an entire community because of the behavior of the same minority?

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[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
I would think that it is only fair that anyone who is the least bit respectful and tolerant of other cultures would do the same. I do not blame all white people for the evils of a few, so why would you disrespect an entire community because of the behavior of the same minority?
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Then I would also expect that you could somehow be “tolerant” toward someone asking a simple question without someone like you saying it’s disrespectful. I have view, so do you. There is a fundamental disconnect and double standard I wanted an answer to. That’s hardly disrespectful.