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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
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Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse[/quote]

How can more people hunt in Canada when they have just over 1/10th the population of the U.S.? Even if they have more handguns, rifles, shotguns, or whatever, that just shows that the root cause of the violence in the U.S. is not the number of handguns, but some socioeconomic issue. The gun is simply the tool used, and if they weren’t around the people who perform acts of violence would use a different tool.

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
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“OK”

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse[/quote]

Oh, sorry, we thought you were using “facts”.

And you might want to retink this as it was long guns, not handguns that they have more of.

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[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
“OK”

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse

How can more people hunt in Canada when they have just over 1/10th the population of the U.S.? Even if they have more handguns, rifles, shotguns, or whatever, that just shows that the root cause of the violence in the U.S. is not the number of handguns, but some socioeconomic issue. The gun is simply the tool used, and if they weren’t around the people who perform acts of violence would use a different tool.
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I’m not saying the gun is the problem. Like i said, i have guns my self, but using them as home defense and not for hunting, that is quiet different. They are a tool, but when you have a burglar in your house trying to be all sneaky, why not surprise him with a 2by4 to the knee? Instead of killing the poor guy?

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
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“OK”

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse

Oh, sorry, we thought you were using “facts”.

And you might want to retink this as it was long guns, not handguns that they have more of.[/quote]

Is my english that bad, i keep saying the guns arent the problem… Its people behind them… And this thread, posting your home defense guns to shoot intruders dont exactly help the stats does it now?

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse[/quote]

Do not use that movie as a source of information. The bias is incredible.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse

Do not use that movie as a source of information. The bias is incredible.[/quote]

Let me use my own experience then. I lived in wisc for a year. Not the biggest of most violent state. Every single day on the news there was a killing… Every single day… The number of people in wisc is equivalent to the number of people in norway. Last year we had 9 murders… I’m just saying… I think my comment got a bit out of hand, but you have to see what im saying here? Or is non of this getting through? Guns = not bad
Trigger happy people + guns = bad

PS: So the internet is more reliable than a movie? How come, how hard is it make up bogus facts, how about the american media? How is that doing? Just a fact machine? Sorry, i’m not gonna pull it any further

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:

I’m not saying the gun is the problem. Like i said, i have guns my self, but using them as home defense and not for hunting, that is quiet different. They are a tool, but when you have a burglar in your house trying to be all sneaky, why not surprise him with a 2by4 to the knee? Instead of killing the poor guy?[/quote]

Like I stated before, my guns are not readily available, so I most likely would have to club them.

However, if someone is in my home that is not supposed to be there, I don’t view them as some “poor guy”. He is a threat to my family, and I will use any means available to limit that threat.

Quite simply, he doesn’t belong in my house and has brought his fate upon himself. I wouldn’t want to kill someone, but it would be up to him how much resistance he put up until the authorities arrived.

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:

I’m not saying the gun is the problem. Like i said, i have guns my self, but using them as home defense and not for hunting, that is quiet different. They are a tool, but when you have a burglar in your house trying to be all sneaky, why not surprise him with a 2by4 to the knee? Instead of killing the poor guy?[/quote]

Home invaders being killed by homeowners makes up a very small percentage of gun violence in the U.S. Laws among the states prohibit most people from even using their weapons in self/home defense. Most of the murders are due to gang and drug activity, using weapons that are either stolen or bought through other illegal means. Like other countries, the vast majority of legally owned guns we have here sit unused unless taken out for hunting or to the firing range.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:

I’m not saying the gun is the problem. Like i said, i have guns my self, but using them as home defense and not for hunting, that is quiet different. They are a tool, but when you have a burglar in your house trying to be all sneaky, why not surprise him with a 2by4 to the knee? Instead of killing the poor guy?

Like I stated before, my guns are not readily available, so I most likely would have to club them.

However, if someone is in my home that is not supposed to be there, I don’t view them as some “poor guy”. He is a threat to my family, and I will use any means available to limit that threat.

Quite simply, he doesn’t belong in my house and has brought his fate upon himself. I wouldn’t want to kill someone, but it would be up to him how much resistance he put up until the authorities arrived.
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Do you have like a need to hurt people? Post traumatic stress or something? Always the same deal protecting the family… If your in an extremely violent neighborhood i get it, but where i lived in the middle of nowhere in wisc… EVERYONE had guns ready for intruders and always saying this and that on what they would do to them. How cool it would be if someone tried to break into their house etc etc…

I just dont see it, guess its an american thing

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OK, i give up for now. Gotta hit the gym. I dont think my point here is getting through. I guess violence creates more violence… And if people would get killed on the street next to me i would have my 12 gauge locked and loaded myself, but if your in a normal american location with minimum violence what do you need home protection from. All i got at home is my alarm and anything i can grab i need it…

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
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So american… You honestly dont need a 12 gauge shotgun to deal with thievs… They are thievs, not robbers… No wonder america got so many deaths by handguns every year…

Deaths by handgun because people leave the shotguns at home?

Well, i’ve lived there and its a big difference from having a shotgun at home and one locked and loaded behind a few doors here and there… But honestly, why are there so many freaking people killed in america? Just look at your neighbor canada, more handguns per person, not even close to the amount of kills. Just saying, pair of brass knuckles or a nice little baton will do the trick…

PS: Got several guns at home myself, but i dont plan to use them if a burglar comes in my house…

I seriously doubt Canada has more handguns per person. There are many people killed by handguns in America by bad people. I’m a good guy. I’m not the problem.

You obviously dopn’t have a clue in this regard.

“OK”

Take a look at bowling for colombine for exact number of handguns… A lot more people hunt in canada, remember that… This is not countin illegal firearms ofcourse[/quote]

Handguns are pretty much illegal here. We have very strict gun laws.
Also, let me remind you what happened on the bus with that kid.
People don’t get that if guns are legal or not does not really stop crime. It all comes down to the people and what they do.
You get killers and crooks in every country.
And that movie is super biased and full of shit.

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Blazindave; So is the internet, so is especially the american media, so are school books… Just because a news reporter says it on tv or an author writes it in books… Does that really mean it’s true?

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
OK, i give up for now. Gotta hit the gym. I dont think my point here is getting through. I guess violence creates more violence… And if people would get killed on the street next to me i would have my 12 gauge locked and loaded myself, but if your in a normal american location with minimum violence what do you need home protection from. All i got at home is my alarm and anything i can grab i need it…[/quote]

You’d be suprised at what crimes occur in “normal” or remote locations. If there’s poverty, or even just envy of possessions, there will be criminal activity. Nobody (sane at least) wants to use deadly force, but the possible consequence of getting killed or maimed for breaking into an occupied home is a big deterrent.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

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Agree with your motto, and cant we just agree to disagree. I can’t change america with my posts and you can’t change norway with yours. Now it’s time for the gym. I’m sorry if i offended anyone, just stated my mind.

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:
Doug Adams wrote:
Andyyboy wrote:

I’m not saying the gun is the problem. Like i said, i have guns my self, but using them as home defense and not for hunting, that is quiet different. They are a tool, but when you have a burglar in your house trying to be all sneaky, why not surprise him with a 2by4 to the knee? Instead of killing the poor guy?

Like I stated before, my guns are not readily available, so I most likely would have to club them.

However, if someone is in my home that is not supposed to be there, I don’t view them as some “poor guy”. He is a threat to my family, and I will use any means available to limit that threat.

Quite simply, he doesn’t belong in my house and has brought his fate upon himself. I wouldn’t want to kill someone, but it would be up to him how much resistance he put up until the authorities arrived.

Do you have like a need to hurt people? Post traumatic stress or something? Always the same deal protecting the family… If your in an extremely violent neighborhood i get it, but where i lived in the middle of nowhere in wisc… EVERYONE had guns ready for intruders and always saying this and that on what they would do to them. How cool it would be if someone tried to break into their house etc etc…

I just dont see it, guess its an american thing
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I’m not sure how you got a “need to hurt people” from defending my home and family.

I don’t live in a violent area, nor do I wish someone would break into my home so I can harm them. That doesn’t negate the fact that if they are in my home, they are a threat to my family, this is a basic human principle. If you can’t grasp that it is probably best that you not venture from your safe little country.

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[quote]football061 wrote:
malonetd wrote:
When my apartment was robbed two years ago, I put razor wire around my windows, but my landlord made me take it down.

When I buy my own house I’m just gonna build a moat with a draw bridge and alligators. Fuck dogs and razor wire.[/quote]

Great Idea, plus it will keep The Black Knight at bay…

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[quote]Andyyboy wrote:
Blazindave; So is the internet, so is especially the american media, so are school books… Just because a news reporter says it on tv or an author writes it in books… Does that really mean it’s true? [/quote]

Your mentality is thoroughly skewed. No one (normal) looks to shoot or kill someone, just because he enters a home. But, if certain criteria exists, especially potential bodily harm to my family, I’m prepared to face the consequences if I kill someone in their, or my defense. I feel that way, and I’d prefer my neighbors felt that way, too. If you want to roll over, and let some crackhead steal your belongings for his next high, be my guest. But, you’re completely naive if you think violent crime doesn’t exist in rural America.

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[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Nich, let me know how you like that 19. I am thinking about either that or a 17. Where are you located, and how much do you expect to pay?[/quote]

im in Phoenix ,averave price I seen the G19 for is around $500
I found one that was used for 430 but I wont get used think I will go for the new ones.

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I have a Mossberg 500 with a light. It has four rounds in the tube and is kept “cruiser ready”. Side saddle has two slugs and two more rounds of 00 buck.

Also have a G19 loaded with a spare mag at the ready. I carry the G19 daily and train with it often.

Everything else is in the safe.

For those of you looking at the Glock G19 I highly recommend it. I avoided Glocks for many years but tried one in an IDPA match and loved it. My new favorite pistol. Bought a G17 and G19. Will probably get a G21 before the election.

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