dk44, u really sound lyk an old man! how old are u?
[quote]sanele19 wrote:
dk44, u really sound lyk an old man! how old are u?[/quote]
Troll.
Good songs indeed. I am familiar with some of these guys, but why don’t they get play time? Does this newer stuff on hot 97 really sell more?
in before “IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE AND A BUNCH OF OTHER UNDERGROUND STUFF THAT I THINK I’M COOL FOR LISTENING TO-ELEVATE UR CONSCIOUSNESS Y’ALL IF IT A’INT LEFTIST POLITICAL ITZ BULLSHITZ”
Also, I second J-5, the Roots, and that people under the stairs jam as proof that Hip-Hop is not dead.
Kid Cudi is one of my new favorites. I think RSGZ has his older stuff and said it’s great.
The Roots are awesome. They always play a live set and, the first time I saw them, they did a medley of classic rock song covers that was sick. Illadelph Halflife is my favorite album, but Phrenology has one of the best track orders I’ve ever heard.
First let me qualify my statements by saying that I know very little about hip-hop…or music in general, I have very wide tastes but am by no means an aficionado in any genre, let alone hip-hop,
and I am not a “hater” whatever the fuck that means" I do listen to some and have a few selections on my i-pod.
I just know what I like…
Hip hop has always seemed a pretty limited medium to me, just evidenced by that much of what you hear is cut and pasting (sampling) of other peoples work. Early Hip hop sampled old rock and roll stuff, jazz, R&B, soul, etc.
newer artists sample older hip hop artists.
also, most successful artists put out 1-2, maybe three albums, then they seem to have very little new to offer and start producing other artists, who in turn put out 1-2 albums and if successful then THEY start to produce other artists.
sounds like a musical talent creativity ponzi scheme to me.
just my opinion, sure many here will totally disagree, and perhaps for very good reason.
[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
It’s far from dead, Kanye’s last album more than proved that it isn’t. [/quote]
THISxinfinity
byukid, I’d say it was hip hop. Hip hop production if you look at it as a whole has always drawn from a wide variety of musical sources. Kanye just did it all on one album by one guy. Pretty amazing.
Lupe Fiasco is one of many who is keeping hip hop very much alive. His new album is gonna be incredibly. All 3 singles sound greaat so far. Catchy chorus with meaningful and sharp lyrics to back it up
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
First let me qualify my statements by saying that I know very little about hip-hop…or music in general, I have very wide tastes but am by no means an aficionado in any genre, let alone hip-hop,
and I am not a “hater” whatever the fuck that means" I do listen to some and have a few selections on my i-pod.
I just know what I like…
Hip hop has always seemed a pretty limited medium to me, just evidenced by that much of what you hear is cut and pasting (sampling) of other peoples work. Early Hip hop sampled old rock and roll stuff, jazz, R&B, soul, etc.
newer artists sample older hip hop artists.
also, most successful artists put out 1-2, maybe three albums, then they seem to have very little new to offer and start producing other artists, who in turn put out 1-2 albums and if successful then THEY start to produce other artists.
sounds like a musical talent creativity ponzi scheme to me.
just my opinion, sure many here will totally disagree, and perhaps for very good reason. [/quote]
Couldn’t disagree more my friend. To address a couple of your points:
-yes hip hop involves a lot of sampling, but there a lot more to it than just rapping over someone’s song. There’s an art to sampling–what songs and parts of songs to sample, how you flip the sample. Not to mention any added instrumentation to the sample. The best way to really get this is to take a song that sampled it’s beat, and listen to the original. Yeah there are guys who aren’t creative with their samples, but there are a lot of guys that are.
And all pop music recycles to some extent. A lot, maybe most rock stars from the 50s through the mid 70s relied heavily on cover songs, and even outright stealing stuff from blues musicians. Some of the best singers in the world sang pop standards that other same before them, and of course most of the best voices in the world didn’t write their songs [they interpreted them really well, though]. Sampling is just a more upfront version of this.
-the fact that most artists [except for special talents, like Kanye West] only make 1-2, maybe 3 relevant and great albums like you said is if anything a sign that hip hop is still a genre that moves foreword really quickly. Either keep sounding fresh or fall behind, and most do–RIP Young Jeezy. As a matter of fact other than Kanye I don’t think any rapper or group in hip hop has made more than 3 classic records, include several rappers that are better than Kanye. Well, unless you combine the solo classics of the Wu-Tang Clan with their group classics, then they run away with it.
Gangster rap has had its day. Hip-hop has become pop music, and there has been a lot of black/white culture mixing in the last 10 years. The world changes.
His album is gonna be incredibly…
Was there ever a good basis for hip hop [or rock, or movies, or sports or whatever you want to put here] being dead?
I’ve never seen a good reason. it’s definitely not the music industries fault, it’s not the artists’ fault, it’s not the peoples fault. No one’s really done anything wrong.
Soooooo…it might just be that people can’t seem to grasp the fact that their favourite artists don’t sound good to most other people. The genre didn’t die, you kind of hip hop is just the kind others don’t like.
That, and Nas had a record to sell so he said something that’d get attention. He’s one of the greats but he’s not above playing that card to sell CDs. A lot of other great rappers have tried similar.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
Lupe Fiasco is one of many who is keeping hip hop very much alive. His new album is gonna be incredibly. All 3 singles sound greaat so far. Catchy chorus with meaningful and sharp lyrics to back it up[/quote]
THIS.
http://www.lupefiasco.com/
La…zer
its all about where you look.
if you listen to the radio you’ll get entertainers and puppets
listen to the streets and you’ll get artists
you can pretty much say that about any kind of art
I mean Nickleback is the Rock band when everyone in the thread can name at least 5 more talented and less conformed
I personally know guys who have been dropped from the big hip hop labels because they wont do things that will sell records…swag rap
once you get to that level you kinda have to decide if youre an artist or a show dog…the good ones usually fall off the radar when they see how their dream turned out…go back to school and quit rapping all together…or do it as a hobby…or do strictly underground…
the bad ones flood the radios…
Kenny
<Person 1> Euch, rap is just missing one letter. c.
<Person 2> rapc?
<Person 1> …
<Person 1> Crap you idiot. you put the c on the other end
<Person 2> oic
<Person 1> Though you could also say it’s missing an e
<Person 2> wtf is erap?
- Person 1 bangs his head repeatedly against a wall
^ I get it!
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Kid Cudi is one of my new favorites. I think RSGZ has his older stuff and said it’s great.
The Roots are awesome. They always play a live set and, the first time I saw them, they did a medley of classic rock song covers that was sick. Illadelph Halflife is my favorite album, but Phrenology has one of the best track orders I’ve ever heard.[/quote]
Yeah, I like Kid Cudi’s beats very much.
I got some of the People Under the Stairs albums, (as posted above) - simply brilliant!