[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.[/quote]
You are the biggest pompous ass on this board going away. I’ve been here over a decade and I can safely say that no one can top you in that department, nor does anyone come even close. If someone disagrees with you it’s not enough for you to attempt to prove your point you must also attempt to degrade that person. It somehow makes you feel like a bigger man by using such tactics. How you got this way I will never know and honestly don’t care to know. I hope that in your real life (away from fake names on the Internet) that you are just a tad kinder and not so high and mighty. Somehow I doubt it but I can hope.
As for future posts I will ask you again to keep your word. One that you told me several posts back, and have broken at least twice, that is that you were going to ignore me.
You bring nothing to this board but arrogance and usually incorrect analysis.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.[/quote]
You are the biggest pompous ass on this board going away. I’ve been here over a decade and I can safely say that no one can top you in that department, nor does anyone come even close. If someone disagrees with you it’s not enough for you to attempt to prove your point you must also attempt to degrade that person. It somehow makes you feel like a bigger man by using such tactics. How you got this way I will never know and honestly don’t care to know. I hope that in your real life (away from fake names on the Internet) that you are just a tad kinder and not so high and mighty. Somehow I doubt it but I can hope.[/quote]
I think it’s just that I don’t care about hurting your feelings, and, much like the Yale and Missouri snowflakes everybody is mocking in the other thread, you appear to (in error) believe yourself entitled to consequence-free intellectual coddling or tenderness. In fact, everything you say in public is open to criticism, and I – like reality – don’t give a damn what reception of that criticism feels like. When someone says wrong/crazy/dumb things often enough and in belligerently stupid enough ways – and here you are a peerless luminary – I not only permit myself to ask, but also enjoy asking, things like “Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit?”
Anything about Iran having “the right to build nuclear arms” earns you derision. Doubly so if we consider the absurdist hilarity of your pushing it in order to show that Obama hates Jews.
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As for future posts I will ask you again to keep your word. One that you told me several posts back, and have broken at least twice, that is that you were going to ignore me.[/quote]
As already explained to you, I will not permit myself to debate you, because you don’t know how to debate, evaluate evidence, or reason your way through a problem. This does not mean that I won’t occasionally drop in to impugn your garbage-fire claims. If you don’t want to deal with this – and this would be understandable, though it would deprive you of opportunities for at least flashes of self-awareness – you are free to put me on ignore, if that’s still a function on this board. I won’t be hurt – I promise.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.[/quote]
You are the biggest pompous ass on this board going away. I’ve been here over a decade and I can safely say that no one can top you in that department, nor does anyone come even close. If someone disagrees with you it’s not enough for you to attempt to prove your point you must also attempt to degrade that person. It somehow makes you feel like a bigger man by using such tactics. How you got this way I will never know and honestly don’t care to know. I hope that in your real life (away from fake names on the Internet) that you are just a tad kinder and not so high and mighty. Somehow I doubt it but I can hope.
As for future posts I will ask you again to keep your word. One that you told me several posts back, and have broken at least twice, that is that you were going to ignore me.
You bring nothing to this board but arrogance and usually incorrect analysis.
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Is the following correct?
“The JCPOA does not give Iran “the right to build nuclear arms”. Quite to the contrary, the agreement reaffirms Iran’s nonproliferation obligations under international law. Under Article II of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), Iran is barred from manufacturing or otherwise acquiring nuclear weapons.”
If it is, your demonstrably and grossly full of shit. Those who face plant so blatantly shouldn’t be surprised when others ridicule them for it. You do as much when someone presents a reasoned argument in lieu of actually addressing it.
Yet, he heard hatred preached from the pulpit against whites for 20 years. Your theory that he did it for political purposes might be true. But, if you are telling me that he could not have gained politically elsewhere without the white hate propaganda you should think again. Also, having sat there in the pews for 20 years I have to believe that if he didn’t feel one way or the other toward whites at the beginning he certainly did toward the end. By the way how far do you think you’d get with that argument had any of our former modern day Presidents attended a racist church for 20 years? You are giving Obama a pass he does not deserve. [/quote]
Well, I’m not telling you that he could not gained politically elsewhere without the white hate propaganda, so there’s no reason to think again. Just stick to the actual positions I’ve taken.
What’s dumb about your rebuttal is that I say that what Obama did was disgusting (it was) and I agree he got too much of a pass from the media. All bad things - but not proof he hates white people. Calculating, insincere, cynical - yes. Racist? No.
No, a great comparison, because anyone with a functioning brain stem would know that magnitude of an amnesty isn’t a sliding scale for evidence of racism. I mean, that’s just dumb. Ok with amnesty for a few? Cool, not racist. Amnesty for a whole lot? Totally racist.
Absurd. I have liberal friends (eek!) who are white and support amnesty - by your logic, they must hate white people, too.
Zeb, you’re not so much with the logic.
So now you’re frothing at the mouth over what Michelle Obama said, and your logic adds up like this:
Michelle Obama says unflattering things about the Founding Fathers.
That equates to Michelle Obama hating…that’s right, hating…white people.
Michelle Obama has influence over her husband, so her hatred of white people is automatically imputed to the president.
President Obama clearly hates white people.
This is dumber than a bag of hair.
As if this line of logic isn’t wrong enough on its face, I know white people who have made the same observations of the Founding Fathers, and they don’t have white people.
[quote]I agree that he is a faculty lounge liberal. A white hating, Jew hating faculty lounge liberal. Know your Presidential history TB, he came into office saying what? “I am going to bring a fundamental change to this country.” Now what do you suppose he meant by that? Seven years later we know that part of that was ignoring the border laws and bringing in millions of non-whites some criminals included. Also, taking the side of black criminals against Police on many occasions. You know the incidents I don’t have to spoon feed them to you. Also, while perhaps not inciting riots he certainly turning a blind eye to them with a nod of his head.
Creepy? I think it’s quite realistic if you look at what he has said, says and doesn’t say. And more importantly what he does!
You fail to see it for some reason.
[/quote]
I can generally disagree with people and at some point simply agree to disagree. But the fact that you’ve doubled down insisting that Obama actually hates white people (and Jews) is just too much. That’s a different category, and I can’t take you seriously.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, Carson is done. This isn’t going away.[/quote]
Agreed. Carson was never ready for prime-time. On policy or on personal grounds (vetting). Not even for a mayoral race.
And complaining about an unfair media is like a batter complaining the pitcher throws too fast. You knew it would be this way prior to stepping into the batter’s box. [/quote]
I agree with all of that but again was Obama vetted with such ferocity by the mainstream media over such minutia?
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You just made my point about your Obama Derangement Syndrome - who cares how the media handled Obama for this particular point? This is about Carson. Obama could have gotten fricaseed, or he could have gotten kid gloves - it’s irrelevant. Carson wasn’t and isn’t ready for prime time.
You do this almost reflexively now - the moment anyone raises even the slightest criticism of a Republican on a specific issue, you show up and respond with “Oh yeah, what did Obama do [on that specific issue]? Obama ruined America on [that specific issue]!!!”
It’s creepy. And pitiful.
But let me guess - “You know who’s creepy and pitiful??? Obama!!!”.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.[/quote]
You are the biggest pompous ass on this board going away. I’ve been here over a decade and I can safely say that no one can top you in that department, nor does anyone come even close. If someone disagrees with you it’s not enough for you to attempt to prove your point you must also attempt to degrade that person. It somehow makes you feel like a bigger man by using such tactics. How you got this way I will never know and honestly don’t care to know. I hope that in your real life (away from fake names on the Internet) that you are just a tad kinder and not so high and mighty. Somehow I doubt it but I can hope.[/quote]
I think it’s just that I don’t care about hurting your feelings, and, much like the Yale and Missouri snowflakes everybody is mocking in the other thread, you appear to (in error) believe yourself entitled to consequence-free intellectual coddling or tenderness. In fact, everything you say in public is open to criticism, and I – like reality – don’t give a damn what reception of that criticism feels like. When someone says wrong/crazy/dumb things often enough and in belligerently stupid enough ways – and here you are a peerless luminary – I not only permit myself to ask, but also enjoy asking, things like “Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit?”
Anything about Iran having “the right to build nuclear arms” earns you derision. Doubly so if we consider the absurdist hilarity of your pushing it in order to show that Obama hates Jews.
[quote]
As for future posts I will ask you again to keep your word. One that you told me several posts back, and have broken at least twice, that is that you were going to ignore me.[/quote]
As already explained to you, I will not permit myself to debate you, because you don’t know how to debate, evaluate evidence, or reason your way through a problem. This does not mean that I won’t occasionally drop in to impugn your garbage-fire claims. If you don’t want to deal with this – and this would be understandable, though it would deprive you of opportunities for at least flashes of self-awareness – you are free to put me on ignore, if that’s still a function on this board. I won’t be hurt – I promise.
Edited.[/quote]
It’s not about hurt feelings it’s about productive debate. It’s also about class and character. You have proven that you have neither of those two important things. What you say occasionally makes sense. But, your opinion of yourself is just so high that many around here just don’t care to pay much attention.
You insult me, then I insult you bla bla bla…What is the point?
The problem with the Internet. Faceless, nameless people like you are always going to go too far feeling some sort of sense of power that they might lack in their real lives using their real names and not being able to hide behind a computer. So be it…
You did promise that I was going to be on ignore but you never kept your word (why would you no name, no face totally anonymous).
Keep pounding out the haughty responses if you think it somehow helps you. Have fun!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
giving [Iran] the right to build nuclear arms[/quote]
Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit? I mean, you could wholly object to the Iran agreement, as TB does, on e.g. the grounds that it doesn’t prescribe tiered verification/sanction. And we could disagree without either of us being provably, factually, simply, stupidly wrong. But you don’t ever seem content with such an arrangement. Don’t you ever get the feeling that, maybe, your head would thank you if you were to liberate it from its usual hiding place? Not permanently – I know that’s not going to happen. Just, you know, from time to time, like an inmate in solitary who gets to walk around the yard for an hour a day.[/quote]
You are the biggest pompous ass on this board going away. I’ve been here over a decade and I can safely say that no one can top you in that department, nor does anyone come even close. If someone disagrees with you it’s not enough for you to attempt to prove your point you must also attempt to degrade that person. It somehow makes you feel like a bigger man by using such tactics. How you got this way I will never know and honestly don’t care to know. I hope that in your real life (away from fake names on the Internet) that you are just a tad kinder and not so high and mighty. Somehow I doubt it but I can hope.[/quote]
I think it’s just that I don’t care about hurting your feelings, and, much like the Yale and Missouri snowflakes everybody is mocking in the other thread, you appear to (in error) believe yourself entitled to consequence-free intellectual coddling or tenderness. In fact, everything you say in public is open to criticism, and I – like reality – don’t give a damn what reception of that criticism feels like. When someone says wrong/crazy/dumb things often enough and in belligerently stupid enough ways – and here you are a peerless luminary – I not only permit myself to ask, but also enjoy asking, things like “Don’t you ever get tired of being full of shit?”
Anything about Iran having “the right to build nuclear arms” earns you derision. Doubly so if we consider the absurdist hilarity of your pushing it in order to show that Obama hates Jews.
Is the following true?
“The JCPOA does not give Iran “the right to build nuclear arms”. Quite to the contrary, the agreement reaffirms Iran’s nonproliferation obligations under international law. Under Article II of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), Iran is barred from manufacturing or otherwise acquiring nuclear weapons.”
If it is, your demonstrably and grossly full of shit. Hint, it is. Those who face plant so blatantly shouldn’t be surprised when others ridicule them for it. You do as much when someone presents a reasoned argument in lieu of actually addressing it.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, Carson is done. This isn’t going away.[/quote]
Agreed. Carson was never ready for prime-time. On policy or on personal grounds (vetting). Not even for a mayoral race.
And complaining about an unfair media is like a batter complaining the pitcher throws too fast. You knew it would be this way prior to stepping into the batter’s box. [/quote]
I agree with all of that but again was Obama vetted with such ferocity by the mainstream media over such minutia?
[/quote]
You just made my point about your Obama Derangement Syndrome - who cares how the media handled Obama for this particular point? This is about Carson. Obama could have gotten fricaseed, or he could have gotten kid gloves - it’s irrelevant. Carson wasn’t and isn’t ready for prime time.[/quote]
That’s funny you took Rush Limbaugh’s view on the media attacking GW Bush “Bush Drangement Syndrome” took out the word Bush and replaced it with Obama. You do remember how the media was obsessed with bringing down Bush right? Anyway…not very clever on your part.
As for your logic, it sucks. If one cannot compare the different handling of candidates by the media, especially when both are black and, especially in close election cycles then the media has carte blanche to treat anyone any which way they like and as you must know that makes a difference regarding who wins and who loses. All I was (and am) asking for is a little fairness. For example, how many times did the media attack what Barack Obama wrote in his book? And there is plenty there to attack. But you don’t really care because your so very politically naïve.
[quote]You do this almost reflexively now - the moment anyone raises even the slightest criticism of a Republican on a specific issue, you show up and respond with “Oh yeah, what did Obama do [on that specific issue]? Obama ruined America on [that specific issue]!!!”
It’s creepy. And pitiful.[/quote]
Yeah, I like to put the boots to the worst modern day President in history. Think not?
You also accused me awhile back of being overly harsh on Hillary. You just can’t stand it when I point out the facts regarding democrats or the democratic party.
But then again you are repeatedly wrong in your political analysis and your apparent lack of ability to grasp the facts and separate your emotion from what’s actually going on.
Here’s one example:
You were also wrong regarding Donald Trump. You assumed wrongly because I am a republican that I was or am for Trump when I repeatedly said that I support Marco Rubio. You also were too narrow minded to give Trump credit where it is due, that is for his business success. Why? because you don’t “like” him. I defended him on that level and you naturally assumed that I backed him for President. You grab at straws and lump things together all with a very narrow mind. Open up your mind TB you are quite sharp on other issues and then when it comes to Presidential politics you somehow get lost and all emotional.
Oh and this “creepy” theme you are on bro…give it a rest.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s not about hurt feelings it’s about productive debate. It’s also about class and character. You have proven that you have neither of those two important things. What you say occasionally makes sense. But, your opinion of yourself is just so high that many around here just don’t care to pay much attention.[/quote]
You confuse a high opinion of myself for what is really just a low opinion of you. I don’t recall having said anything about myself. And “productive debate” does not begin with fever-dreamt garbage like Iran has the right to build a nuclear weapon, just as a healthy salad cannot begin with a bowl full of skittles, mulch, used hypodermic needles, and rat poison.
[quote]
You insult me, then I insult you bla bla bla…What is the point?[/quote]
You said something full of shit and I observed that you’re full of shit. This is mild by PWI standards, and, anyway, why in god’s name are you whining so much about it? You really are just like the Mizzou snowflakes.
[quote]
The problem with the Internet. Faceless, nameless people like you are always going to go too far feeling some sort of sense of power that they might lack in their real lives using their real names and not being able to hide behind a computer. So be it…[/quote]
Most of us, and I assume you’re included, don’t give out our real names on the internet because we have actual lives and work actual jobs and don’t want to complicate the important things with the not-important things. Not because we’re “hiding” from anybody.
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You did promise that I was going to be on ignore but you never kept your word (why would you no name, no face totally anonymous).[/quote]
Nope, never used the word ignore. Go fact check if you care. Anyway, as I said, I will from time to time be stopping in to point at the garbage-can fires you habitually light. I would think a partisan foot-soldier like you – and you may be the most partisan foot-soldier I’ve ever communicated with, in person or not – would enjoy the occasional exchange of rude and aggressive blows. I mean this last sentence.
Yet, he heard hatred preached from the pulpit against whites for 20 years. Your theory that he did it for political purposes might be true. But, if you are telling me that he could not have gained politically elsewhere without the white hate propaganda you should think again. Also, having sat there in the pews for 20 years I have to believe that if he didn’t feel one way or the other toward whites at the beginning he certainly did toward the end. By the way how far do you think you’d get with that argument had any of our former modern day Presidents attended a racist church for 20 years? You are giving Obama a pass he does not deserve.
Well, I’m not telling you that he could not gained politically elsewhere without the white hate propaganda, so there’s no reason to think again. Just stick to the actual positions I’ve taken.[/quote]
I am asking you to think again regarding the position you took claiming that Obama joined Wrights Church to gain politically. I am claiming that he could have gained politically by joining other non-racist Churches and organizations. As they say “birds of a feather flock together.” He joined Wrights Church and stayed 20 years because Wright was saying things that Obama liked and agreed with. Not too hard for most to understand. Tell me how long would you stay in a Church that continually attacked black people? Oh, you might be fooled into attending once, but as soon as you heard what they were all about you would run from such a place as would I. But Obama liked the anti white rhetoric so much he stayed FOR 20 YEARS!
Tell me how many racists of any color actually say "you know what I hate people of a certain color? Yeah…not too many outside the Klu Klux Klan Bud. So, we have to surmise from their words and actions, what they say and what they don’t say, the people that they’ve spent time with etc. This really has to be spelled out to you? That’s not a stretch. He has said and done enough to claim that he is racist.
[quote]It was not nearly the magnitude of what Obama has done and you know it. Poor comparison.
No, a great comparison, because anyone with a functioning brain stem would know that magnitude of an amnesty isn’t a sliding scale for evidence of racism. I mean, that’s just dumb. Ok with amnesty for a few? Cool, not racist. Amnesty for a whole lot? Totally racist.[/quote]
When a man who is elected President says he is going to fundamentally change the United States then allows 11 million illegal aliens in Yeah along with all of his other remarks and acts such as backing black thugs over Police Officers, attacking white people in his books and a whole bunch of other things…It’s not a stretch to assume that he has race issues.
As I said above when there is a laundry list of other statements and actions it fits in nicely. Comparing your white liberal friends who support amnesty with Obama who is allowing illegal aliens in by the millions is just stupid and illogical. But I’ve noticed that is a trend when it comes to your political analysis.
See above.
So now you’re frothing at the mouth over what Michelle Obama said, and your logic adds up like this:
Michelle Obama says unflattering things about the Founding Fathers.
That equates to Michelle Obama hating…that’s right, hating…white people.
Michelle Obama has influence over her husband, so her hatred of white people is automatically imputed to the president.
President Obama clearly hates white people.
This is dumber than a bag of hair.[/quote]
Really? Obama attends a racist Church for 20 years, allows in 11 million non white illegal aliens, writes very poorly in his book about white people, never one time quotes or says anything good about the founding fathers (as every President before him has). Turns the other way when black people riot and loot (and in fact calls off his attorney general). Michelle too says disparaging words about white people (read her college term paper) and also about the US, and I am dumber than a bag of hair for thinking we have a racist President in office? You my friend are not exercising any logic whatsoever.
In your world unless someone stands out on the Capitol steps and hollers “I hate white people” they are not racist. You need to wake up and look at the reality of what the man (and his wife) have said and done not just over the past 7 years but what has been recorded about them prior to that.
Tell me TB what color is it in your world? Ha.
[quote]I agree that he is a faculty lounge liberal. A white hating, Jew hating faculty lounge liberal. Know your Presidential history TB, he came into office saying what? “I am going to bring a fundamental change to this country.” Now what do you suppose he meant by that? Seven years later we know that part of that was ignoring the border laws and bringing in millions of non-whites some criminals included. Also, taking the side of black criminals against Police on many occasions. You know the incidents I don’t have to spoon feed them to you. Also, while perhaps not inciting riots he certainly turning a blind eye to them with a nod of his head.
Creepy? I think it’s quite realistic if you look at what he has said, says and doesn’t say. And more importantly what he does!
You fail to see it for some reason.
I can generally disagree with people and at some point simply agree to disagree. But the fact that you’ve doubled down insisting that Obama actually hates white people (and Jews) is just too much. That’s a different category, and I can’t take you seriously.
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Some don’t want to believe it because he is the President of the United States and certainly we don’t elect racists to such a high office. But in this case we have. His history as President shows evidence of this. And what he has written in his life before becoming President also demonstrates this as well. Whether you take me seriously or not is irrelevant. That you wake up and open your eyes to the facts is far more important. If you really want to seek the truth begin by reading both of Obama’s books: “Dreams From My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope”. You will find plenty of anti-white language. When you are done with those books I’d like you to reexamine his Presidency.
I submit to you that if a white man were to say and do the things regarding black people that Obama has said and done regarding whites there would be rioting in the streets and I would agree with the rioters because racism regardless of the race is wrong.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s not about hurt feelings it’s about productive debate. It’s also about class and character. You have proven that you have neither of those two important things. What you say occasionally makes sense. But, your opinion of yourself is just so high that many around here just don’t care to pay much attention.[/quote]
You confuse a high opinion of myself for what is really just a low opinion of you. I don’t recall having said anything about myself. And “productive debate” does not begin with fever-dreamt garbage like Iran has the right to build a nuclear weapon, just as a healthy salad cannot begin with a bowl full of skittles, mulch, used hypodermic needles, and rat poison.
[quote]
You insult me, then I insult you bla bla bla…What is the point?[/quote]
You said something full of shit and I observed that you’re full of shit. This is mild by PWI standards, and, anyway, why in god’s name are you whining so much about it? You really are just like the Mizzou snowflakes.
[quote]
The problem with the Internet. Faceless, nameless people like you are always going to go too far feeling some sort of sense of power that they might lack in their real lives using their real names and not being able to hide behind a computer. So be it…[/quote]
Most of us, and I assume you’re included, don’t give out our real names on the internet because we have actual lives and work actual jobs and don’t want to complicate the important things with the not-important things. Not because we’re “hiding” from anybody.
[quote]
You did promise that I was going to be on ignore but you never kept your word (why would you no name, no face totally anonymous).[/quote]
Nope, never used the word ignore. Go fact check if you care. Anyway, as I said, I will from time to time be stopping in to point at the garbage-can fires you habitually light. I would think a partisan foot-soldier like you – and you may be the most partisan foot-soldier I’ve ever communicated with, in person or not – would enjoy the occasional exchange of rude and aggressive blows. I mean this last sentence.[/quote]
LOL…keep em coming somehow this will fill that big gaping hole in your life.
I could name at least 10 famous white left-wing types who share the same views that Obama has exhibited, amd they aren’t racist against white people.
You want Obama to be racist, sure, but that doesn’t amount to a legitimate case (based on facts and fair conclusions) that he is.
Oh, and Obama Derangement Syndrome isn’t anything I came up with. Read more widely. In any event, you have it, and have it bad, and it’s creepy and stupid.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Obama…never one time quotes or says anything good about the founding fathers
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Never one time, eh? Never one time. Let’s take a look at this. Should take about eight seconds on the old Google machine.
– Though Jefferson’s personal history complicated his idealism (hardly an original or controversial thought and, in fact, echoed often by our resident Founder-lovin’ Conservative Patriots), “as one of our Founding Fathers, the person who drafted our Declaration of Independence, somebody who not only was an extraordinary political leader but also one of our great scientific and cultural leaders, Thomas Jefferson represents what’s best in America.”
– “As we read [the Constitution, Federalist Papers, and Bill of Rights], they seem so incredibly right that it’s easy to believe they are the result of natural law if not divine inspiration.”
So Jefferson “represents what’s best in America” and, along with the other Founders, did such remarkable work as to make one suspect that they were channeling the very will of god.
[This is what I mean when I ask you if you ever get tired of being full of shit. It’s perfectly possible for you to be a conservative and highly critical of Obama – without ever being provably wrong. But this never seems to suit you. It’s like a pathology.]
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s not about hurt feelings it’s about productive debate. It’s also about class and character. You have proven that you have neither of those two important things. What you say occasionally makes sense. But, your opinion of yourself is just so high that many around here just don’t care to pay much attention.[/quote]
You confuse a high opinion of myself for what is really just a low opinion of you. I don’t recall having said anything about myself. And “productive debate” does not begin with fever-dreamt garbage like Iran has the right to build a nuclear weapon, just as a healthy salad cannot begin with a bowl full of skittles, mulch, used hypodermic needles, and rat poison.
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You insult me, then I insult you bla bla bla…What is the point?[/quote]
You said something full of shit and I observed that you’re full of shit. This is mild by PWI standards, and, anyway, why in god’s name are you whining so much about it? You really are just like the Mizzou snowflakes.
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The problem with the Internet. Faceless, nameless people like you are always going to go too far feeling some sort of sense of power that they might lack in their real lives using their real names and not being able to hide behind a computer. So be it…[/quote]
Most of us, and I assume you’re included, don’t give out our real names on the internet because we have actual lives and work actual jobs and don’t want to complicate the important things with the not-important things. Not because we’re “hiding” from anybody.
I wonder if ZEB is intellectually capable of admitting he erred in the face of demonstrable, irrefutable evidence. His posting history would suggest no. I’m still waiting on him to respond to the JCPOA and the NPT vis-a-vis Iran’s alleged “right to pursue atomic weapons”. I’m not hopeful.
It appears the guy’s primary mission is indoctrination and proselytization, and not providing for the national defense.
Bamford is probably not an unbiased author, but I do share his concerns on this particular issue.
I have a big problem with deeply held a-priori prejudices affecting an accurate perception of reality that should be the driving force on issues as important as defense. It’s my main criticism of both the left and the right.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Obama…never one time quotes or says anything good about the founding fathers
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Never one time, eh? Never one time. Let’s take a look at this. Should take about eight seconds on the old Google machine.
– Though Jefferson’s personal history complicated his idealism (hardly an original or controversial thought and, in fact, echoed often by our resident Founder-lovin’ Conservative Patriots), “as one of our Founding Fathers, the person who drafted our Declaration of Independence, somebody who not only was an extraordinary political leader but also one of our great scientific and cultural leaders, Thomas Jefferson represents what’s best in America.”
– “As we read [the Constitution, Federalist Papers, and Bill of Rights], they seem so incredibly right that it’s easy to believe they are the result of natural law if not divine inspiration.”
So Jefferson “represents what’s best in America” and, along with the other Founders, did such remarkable work as to make one suspect that they were channeling the very will of god.
[This is what I mean when I ask you if you ever get tired of being full of shit. It’s perfectly possible for you to be a conservative and highly critical of Obama – without ever being provably wrong. But this never seems to suit you. It’s like a pathology.][/quote]
smh stumbling around his little room: “I have to find a way to get to Zeb with my attacks. I hate the man. Hey I have it! I’ll just stick my nose in the middle of one of his debates with another poster that will surely draw him out. Then we can call each other names for pages and pages. I love the Internet it allows me to be everything that I will never be in my real life.”
I could name at least 10 famous white left-wing types who share the same views that Obama has exhibited, amd they aren’t racist against white people.[/quote]
Therefore, you claim Obama is not racist I see. The problem however is that you are not paying attention (this has become a real problem with you). I said that it was his views and…are you ready mister attention deficit disorder? It is also his actions that leaves one with the impression that he is racist. And for a list of those actions please reread my previous posts carefully. If you want to address each and every action that I posted that would be fun. Of course I have many more that I did not post which must be discussed as well.
Also, thank you for posting a picture of yourself. Not many people on the Internet are willing to go that far. I think it shows some real character on your part. It also clears up a few things for me regarding your weak political analysis.
