Did you know that there was a very strong Socialist party in the US 75 years ago?
What happened to it?
Someone changed the subject…
Obama brought with him all sorts of left wing wacko ideas. When he leaves center stage those ideas will leave with him. Maybe not immediately but soon.
Okay I’ve already expressed these ideas so you’ll just have to wait and see. When it happens though I want a “good call Zeb”
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Yes, if we’re fucked, we’ve been fucked for longer than any of us has been alive. Our great-grandchildren will feel no more fucked than we do, and we feel no more fucked than our great-grandparents felt. We’re all afflicted by Stockholm Syndrome to some extent; human life would end very quickly if we weren’t.
I think this shows how desparate the Democrats are for a candidate they believe can win. Hillary is looking worse and worse with her scandals and the only other option right now is socialist Bernie.
I have no idea if Al Gore is going to jump into the race. But, if he did it would be further evidence of desperation on the part of the democrats. Has anyone seen Al Gore lately? The last photo I saw of him was about a year ago and he had to have weighed over 300 pounds. He also had some sort of weird beard hanging from his chin. His wife Tipper has left him as he was accused of infidelity. The clip I saw he was ranting about global warming, he’s the real deal when it comes to left wing loons.
If they really are going to dust this guy off and put him up for the democratic nomination no one will laugh harder than me. And he would once again lose to a republican this time in the popular vote category as well as the electoral college. And wouldn’t it be a hoot if it were Jeb Bush?
Okay…seriously I highly doubt old Al is up to another run. He almost lost his mind in 2000 when he went down to defeat. But, as I said it is nice to read of the democrats desperation.
It’s nice to see that the DNC is moving in the direction that I have been predicting all along: Hillary Can’t Win!
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders. [/quote]
He is not Republican , He is in favor of programs that benefit the middle and does not worry about pandering to the top
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? [/quote]
Admitted socialist. socialism is communism lite, and communism is fascism lite. They are all anti-freedom by definition.
“free” college? Lmao. What a fucking clusterfuck of a stupid idea. A BS is already so devalued you need a Masters to stand out, but let’s send EVERYONE to college so it becomes no different than a high school diploma. (I’m not even going to go into how I’m the one paying for all this, and it is anything but fucking free. Dont’ mind me billing 2,600 hours a year in order to afford to live my life and pay for a bunch of entitled fuck wits to get shit housed drunk and flunk out of college.)
He’s a complete economic illiterate.
And the last thing I’ll mention, but this list is far from exhaustive, the government isn’t our daddy. It isn’t our savior, and anyone that can support his stupid fucking ideas WHILE Greece and the EU in general is falling apart is a literal moron, ignorant not only of current events, basic (101 level) economics, but also hasn’t a single fucking clue about elementary levels of world history.
The man is a 100% sham. Disingenuous fool that promises a bunch of “free” stuff, demonizes anyone that has made anything of themselves and utters a bunch of bullshit populous rhetoric in order to buy votes so he can continue to sit around and do jack shit for a living. I’ve been around the block enough times to spot a snake in the grass, and at 35 know his type all too well. That said, at 23 I would have been stupid enough to think he was good too.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders. [/quote]
His idea of a solution to every single problem is to increases taxes and throw money at the problem. Young people, no offense (I’m 29), are dumb enough to buy it.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders. [/quote]
He is not Republican , He is in favor of programs that benefit the middle and does not worry about pandering to the top
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Also people keep saying Sanders is an outsider, he has also been in Washington since the early 90s so if you think business as usual is a problem, he’s not the solution…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Young people, no offense (I’m 29), are dumb enough to buy it.
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The first 12 years of “free” education did such a wonderful job, these fucking nitwits think losing their freedom, control of their property and income through taxation (because they are so bad at math they actually think “taxing the rich” will pay for this shit, not being able to add big enough numbers to realize we will have to tax EVERYONE more in order to pay for the massive government he wants) is a good thing to rally behind and support, because you know, “evil 1%”, evil “corporations” and “wall street”.
Every single one of his supporters feels their way through life. If I find a single one that actually thinks, it will be the first.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders. [/quote]
He is not Republican , He is in favor of programs that benefit the middle and does not worry about pandering to the top
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Plus he disavows personal property rights which puts him at odds with things like the constitution and the bill of rights. Naw, that couldn’t have anything to do with it.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? I’m genuinely curious. From my reading around (granted, primarily Wikipedia) about his views and ideas he comes across as reasonable and some of his ideas seem good. I may be biased because I’m younger and my Facebook and people i associate with are pretty excited about him.
Is it his idea on public funded college, the minimum wage hike, universal health care? From my reading around I like his view on outrageous student loan debt, corporate tax loopholes, criminal justice reform, and things like paid sick leave/maternity leave. Though I’m wary of raising the minimum wage and more taxes to fund even more government programs.
I really don’t feel either party “fits” me, but as I get older I’m trying to become a bit more educated in all of this and would appreciate some more understanding of why people have their opinion of sanders. [/quote]
I’m younger (28) and see similar things about Bernie on Facebook. A lot of the posts contain more emotion that logic and reason, but people are spreading the message.
My dislike of Bernie come from exactly what he proposes. Larger government via higher taxes, more government programs, and welfare/nanny statism. It sounds great to have some unknown person pay your way, but there is no such things as “free”. Every dollar the government has comes from working citizens. Some of the tax revenues are put to good use, but generally speaking there is no accountability in the government and the government does not use the money as well as a private citizen would.
Giving handouts only leads to people asking for more handouts. I believe it is better to help by building people up and not giving “free” things. Go to any national park and they will ask you to not feed the animals. How is it that it is understood how animals react to free handouts but we think its a good idea for our country.
A buddy of mine asked me the other night if my wife and I have started a college savings fund for my son (he’s due in October). I said no, but that we’ll probably start a 529; however, I don’t plan on paying for all 4 years of his undergrad. He was caught off guard and asked me why.
My response was, I want him to pay for his freshman and sophomore years so he knows what it feels like to accomplish something on his own. I want him to know that through sacrifice and hard work a person can ultimately achieve their goals. Ideally I’d prefer he work to pay for it, but if he wants to take a loan out that will be on him. He’ll know that if he parties away his first two years that’s on him not me as well. Either way I think it’s an extremely valuable life lesson not enough people learn.
Bernie Sanders has the exact opposite mentality. He fosters the I am special and deserve everything handed to me on a silver platter mentality. That’s another reason I don’t like him.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Can someone explain the dislike for Sanders to me? [/quote]
Admitted socialist. socialism is communism lite, and communism is fascism lite. They are all anti-freedom by definition.
“free” college? Lmao. What a fucking clusterfuck of a stupid idea. A BS is already so devalued you need a Masters to stand out, but let’s send EVERYONE to college so it becomes no different than a high school diploma. (I’m not even going to go into how I’m the one paying for all this, and it is anything but fucking free. Dont’ mind me billing 2,600 hours a year in order to afford to live my life and pay for a bunch of entitled fuck wits to get shit housed drunk and flunk out of college.)
He’s a complete economic illiterate.
And the last thing I’ll mention, but this list is far from exhaustive, the government isn’t our daddy. It isn’t our savior, and anyone that can support his stupid fucking ideas WHILE Greece and the EU in general is falling apart is a literal moron, ignorant not only of current events, basic (101 level) economics, but also hasn’t a single fucking clue about elementary levels of world history.
The man is a 100% sham. Disingenuous fool that promises a bunch of “free” stuff, demonizes anyone that has made anything of themselves and utters a bunch of bullshit populous rhetoric in order to buy votes so he can continue to sit around and do jack shit for a living. I’ve been around the block enough times to spot a snake in the grass, and at 35 know his type all too well. That said, at 23 I would have been stupid enough to think he was good too. [/quote]
He’s not the worst candidate for the Dems though. [/quote]
We rarely disagree. He is one of those times.
I couldn’t think of a Dem currently running or rumored to run that isn’t better, by light years.
admitted socialist…[/quote]
And hopefully the nominee of the democratic party. He would lose by epic proportions. Some may have slid to socialism over the past almost 7 years of the Obama accident. But, most Americans will reject him out of hand. Unless they are swayed by his youth and charisma.
He’s not the worst candidate for the Dems though. [/quote]
We rarely disagree. He is one of those times.
I couldn’t think of a Dem currently running or rumored to run that isn’t better, by light years.
admitted socialist…[/quote]
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Even with the way things are I have a hard time believing a person that denies human rights by denying the inherent right of self ownership could seriously be considered.
He’s not the worst candidate for the Dems though. [/quote]
We rarely disagree. He is one of those times.
I couldn’t think of a Dem currently running or rumored to run that isn’t better, by light years.
admitted socialist…[/quote]
I personally think Hillary is worse. She’s just as much of a socialist (she just lies about it where as he embraces it), is an elitist, and frankly a criminal. Elizabeth Warren is even worse.
He’s not the worst candidate for the Dems though. [/quote]
We rarely disagree. He is one of those times.
I couldn’t think of a Dem currently running or rumored to run that isn’t better, by light years.
admitted socialist…[/quote]
I personally think Hillary is worse. She’s just as much of a socialist (she just lies about it where as he embraces it), is an elitist, and frankly a criminal. Elizabeth Warren is even worse.
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Yeah, but I have no doubt she’s in it for herself and nobody else. Sanders might actually be in it to pursue his public agenda.
