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[quote]pookie wrote:
Sloth wrote:
pookie wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Private charity is a win for everyone. It allows lovers of individual liberty to keep their freedoms intact, and allows for those worried about the unisnsured to help. See? No need to use the force an armed government against a free people. Both sides win.

Demand far exceeds offer.

So? How does that justify robbing your neighbor?

It doesn’t. Just pointing out that your simple “both sides wins” solution addresses a very little portion of the problem. A method to increase generousness would be greatly appreciated.
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Just make people nicer…Problem solved…

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Why do the incredibly rich want a socialist world?

What is interesting is once a persons investments achieve $5,000 they start becoming conservative. This goes into the millions where the trend starts reversing, and once you get to $100 million in net worth, they tend to become very liberal.

This actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. The poor get benefits from the government, so they support the liberals. Once you achieve some sort of success in life, suddenly the government starts to hurt you financially.

If you become ultra wealthy, at some point it no longer hurts, as you have so much wealth that there is little the government can do to hurt you. So these people want to help the downtrodden, kind of forgetting that nobody else is this immune to the pain of taxes.[/quote]

Warren Buffet is the perfect example of this. I think he has good intentions, but fails to recognize that high taxes and socialist programs hurt more than they help.

Your post makes sense and is obviously the case with some people, but I would be very surprised to hear that the majority of those with over $100 million are liberals.

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[quote]johnnybravo30 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
johnnybravo30 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

But Americans are currently used to having the very latest technology and having it right now. That kind of cutting-edge care would not be supported by a socialized system and THAT is why Canadians come to the US for care.

That is why WEALTHY Canadians travel to the US. 40 million Americans cannot afford health insurance and are not used to getting the best medical technology right away. How many more are not used to getting the best medical technology right away because of miserly GMOs.

I’m not going quarrel about the system of innovation, but perhaps instead instead of saying, “Americans are used to this,” and, “Americans are used to that,” you should say, “Americans that matter are used to this,” and, “Americans that matter are used to that.”

Dude, have you ever been to an emergency room? All Americans regardless of financial status complain about long wait times in the Emergency Rooms. And regardless of ability to pay EVERYONE in the US receives emergency care; it’s the law sport, look it up. It’s called EMLTA.

So your accusation that only the rich would complain about the level of innovation and timeliness of care is dead wrong. Through increasing welfare and other poor outcome social programs the US has created a sense of entitlement from most all Americans. It’s tragic. And the only Americans that seem to not play into this are recent immigrants who truly understand and value what American offers.

I’m curious as to why you quoted my post and then didn’t address a single one of my points. You seem to be delivering a rebuttal to a post that doesn’t exist. Please re-read.

i) I didn’t say anything about the rich complaining about innovation and timeliness. In fact, I said that I had no quarrel with your points on innovation.

ii) I’m well aware of EMLTA. We hadn’t discussed emergency room service, as the issue of timeliness is an entirely different animal that we can discuss, if you like. Non-emergency service is the issue.

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How about defining what you mean by “Americans that matter are used to this”?

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[quote]tedro wrote:

Warren Buffet is the perfect example of this. I think he has good intentions, but fails to recognize that high taxes and socialist programs hurt more than they help.

Your post makes sense and is obviously the case with some people, but I would be very surprised to hear that the majority of those with over $100 million are liberals.
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Actually I got this information from listening to an author who did some research on the subject. He gave the impression that this wasn’t just some idea thrown out, but a researched statistical fact.

Though I am in no way saying that there are no conservatives in that group.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
Actually I got this information from listening to an author who did some research on the subject. He gave the impression that this wasn’t just some idea thrown out, but a researched statistical fact.

Though I am in no way saying that there are no conservatives in that group.[/quote]

Do you know where to find the data? I would be interested in seeing it.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Do you know where to find the data? I would be interested in seeing it. [/quote]

It is counter-intuitive to say the least.