I am just curious if there is anyone on this board that supports and actually plans on voting for this candidate. I ask because I find her and her views reprehensible. I think that based on her history and her current positions she is the person most likely to erode our personal freedoms. She is pro-CODEX, likely to try and repeal the 2nd amendment, and is part of the crowd that wants to jail people for not submitting to vaccines. These are just some of the many reasons. Are people really this stupid? “Hey I recognize her name and stuff”
So sorry if I just called a supporter stupid but I am interested to hear what the possible reasons could be that someone would support her.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
I am just curious if there is anyone on this board that supports and actually plans on voting for this candidate. I ask because I find her and her views reprehensible. I think that based on her history and her current positions she is the person most likely to erode our personal freedoms. She is pro-CODEX, likely to try and repeal the 2nd amendment, and is part of the crowd that wants to jail people for not submitting to vaccines. These are just some of the many reasons. Are people really this stupid? “Hey I recognize her name and stuff”
So sorry if I just called a supporter stupid but I am interested to hear what the possible reasons could be that someone would support her.[/quote]
I could never vote for someone who offers universal health care. Too few see the great evil that will come of it.
Whenever I hear her talk it’s like a more eloquent George Bush. She’s a war mongering corporate whore disguised as a woman for the people. She can fucking blow me.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I could never vote for someone who offers universal health care. Too few see the great evil that will come of it. [/quote]
Yeah, you should see what an evil, unliveable hellish shithole Canada has become with universal health care!
Everywhere you see healthy people with nice teeth and good vision. It’s atrocious. You can’t even tell who’s poor or rich just by looking at their smile anymore! How’s that normal or fair?
We’re full of old people who take forever to die and invaded by babies who manage to survive their births at an alarming rate.
There’s a reason Nature prefers a 10% infantile mortality rate and a 45 years lifespan! All those viruses and diseases that took billions of years to evolve, and we hardly catch any! How abnormal is that?!?
Your dead babies, sickly poor and abandoned, mutilated crazy war veterans don’t know how good they have it. Unnecessary suffering is what life is all about.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I could never vote for someone who offers universal health care. Too few see the great evil that will come of it.
Yeah, you should see what an evil, unliveable hellish shithole Canada has become with universal health care!
Everywhere you see healthy people with nice teeth and good vision. It’s atrocious. You can’t even tell who’s poor or rich just by looking at their smile anymore! How’s that normal or fair?
We’re full of old people who take forever to die and invaded by babies who manage to survive their births at an alarming rate.
There’s a reason Nature prefers a 10% infantile mortality rate and a 45 years lifespan! All those viruses and diseases that took billions of years to evolve, and we hardly catch any! How abnormal is that?!?
Your dead babies, sickly poor and abandoned, mutilated crazy war veterans don’t know how good they have it. Unnecessary suffering is what life is all about.
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pookie,
Quick question: Have you noticed how many Canadians cross the border for health care?
If you contend that your system is superior, please ask your neighbors to stay home.
Quick question: Have you noticed how many Canadians cross the border for health care?
If you contend that your system is superior, please ask your neighbors to stay home.
Thanks.
JeffR[/quote]
I’m not arguing the superiority of either system. A lot of Americans seem to like the system they have, and the same goes for Canadians. So both systems seem to have some merits.
Although I’d be interested in comparing the percentage of Americans who want to change their current system with the percentage of Canadians who’d like to do away with theirs.
I was just making fun of whatshisface’s contention that universal health care is “a great evil.” I mean, come on.
As for Canadians crossing the border, I don’t personally know any. But since yours is a private system, why would it bother you? When they pay, they’re injecting foreign funds in your system.
I don’t mind when busses of your old geezers come here to buy their meds. Although I’m afraid your rapidly deflating currency will soon put and end to that.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I could never vote for someone who offers universal health care. Too few see the great evil that will come of it.
Yeah, you should see what an evil, unliveable hellish shithole Canada has become with universal health care!
Everywhere you see healthy people with nice teeth and good vision. It’s atrocious. You can’t even tell who’s poor or rich just by looking at their smile anymore! How’s that normal or fair?
We’re full of old people who take forever to die and invaded by babies who manage to survive their births at an alarming rate.
There’s a reason Nature prefers a 10% infantile mortality rate and a 45 years lifespan! All those viruses and diseases that took billions of years to evolve, and we hardly catch any! How abnormal is that?!?
Your dead babies, sickly poor and abandoned, mutilated crazy war veterans don’t know how good they have it. Unnecessary suffering is what life is all about.
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Talk to me in thirty years Canadian. Universal health care justifies a plethora of evil. Universal health care will rightly justify smoking bans. Universal health care changes us from sovereign individuals to dollar signs. I’m in the business of advancing the species pookie. Getting us all health care is not worth the lessening of man. You seem very deficient in vision.
I’m not willing to cough up 40% of my income Pookie, so that everyone in America gets free healthcare. I think people milk the system and don’t take responsibility for their own health enough in this country and that there is too much in the way of unnecessary drug medication being used for me to want to foot somebody else’s bills.
If we get Universal Health Care, I want the government to dictate by law what type of food can be sold and served. I want the government to ban fast food and soft drinks. I’ll change my mind on the legalization of drugs (hey, if I have to pay for their treatment, no thanks.) I want child services to step in on parents raising their children on fatty diets.
Unprotected sex should be punishable by a hefty fine and jail-time for repeatable offenses. Cigarettes and Alcohol would be completely banned. If I’m held by force as accountable for someone else’s health, I want their unhealthy/risky behavior to be held accountable, by force. On the other hand, leave me alone and I’ll mind my own business.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
tedro wrote:
I can’t wait to vote for Hillary. No other candidate is going to give us free money.
Free healthcare, more social security, even a $5000 gift to our babies.
Sounds like a win-win for everybody if you ask me.
Sarcasm right? Please? Its hard to tell you look so serious in mid deadlift :]
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Sarcasm? Me? Don’t you like free stuff?
I will say one thing somewhat in her defense, though. If she is the devil, then Barack Obama is the devil running on ethanol. He’ll lead us closer to full blown socialism than she will.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Talk to me in thirty years Canadian. Universal health care justifies a plethora of evil. Universal health care will rightly justify smoking bans.[/quote]
Oddly, the US has seen the very same smoking bans we’re seeing here. I’ve even read that in Vermont, they’re considering making it illegal for you to smoke in your car if you have children present.
As best I can see, we have no restrictions imposed on us here because of our universal access health care. The restriction you mention is just as prevalent in the US as it is here. You do have seat belts laws and helmet laws too, right? If so, you can hardly attribute those to having universal health care.
Our universal HC has already been around for about 40 years. Some of the great evils you fear should already be happening. Where are they?
You vastly overestimate your individual contribution.
Yes, all great men were very sick men. When was the last time someone in good health accomplished anything? What worse fate could befall a people than for them all to be healthy! What mother deserves to be deprived of the great joy that comes from burying a son or daughter. What kind of family doesn’t have a handful of members with bum hips, bum hands, missing teeth, crooked noses and fingers, and badly healed scars. Where’s the character in that!?
And don’t worry about my vision; I can see an optometrist and get glasses anytime.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If we get Universal Health Care, I want the government to dictate by law what type of food can be sold and served. I want the government to ban fast food and soft drinks. I’ll change my mind on the legalization of drugs (hey, if I have to pay for their treatment, no thanks.) I want child services to step in on parents raising their children on fatty diets.
Unprotected sex should be punishable by a hefty fine and jail-time for repeatable offenses. Cigarettes and Alcohol would be completely banned. If I’m held by force as accountable for someone else’s health, I want their unhealthy/risky behavior to be held accountable, by force. On the other hand, leave me alone and I’ll mind my own business.[/quote]
Good points. This is also a good arguement for getting health insurance out of employers hands and back to the individual. Group policies can work the same way.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
I’m not willing to cough up 40% of my income Pookie, so that everyone in America gets free healthcare. I think people milk the system and don’t take responsibility for their own health enough in this country and that there is too much in the way of unnecessary drug medication being used for me to want to foot somebody else’s bills.[/quote]
That’s fine by me.
I just think that calling universal health care “a great evil” vastly overstates - to the point of ridiculousness - the problems such a system can have.
If you think Americans are too stupid and irresponsible for such a system to work there, who am I to argue?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If we get Universal Health Care, I want the government to dictate by law what type of food can be sold and served. I want the government to ban fast food and soft drinks. I’ll change my mind on the legalization of drugs (hey, if I have to pay for their treatment, no thanks.) I want child services to step in on parents raising their children on fatty diets.
Unprotected sex should be punishable by a hefty fine and jail-time for repeatable offenses. Cigarettes and Alcohol would be completely banned. If I’m held by force as accountable for someone else’s health, I want their unhealthy/risky behavior to be held accountable, by force. On the other hand, leave me alone and I’ll mind my own business.[/quote]
So you want universal health care with a side order of Islam?
Let me put it this way, if it was between her and Bush, I’d vote for Bush…Hell, I’d vote for Nixon or Carter. I’d vote for a pee plastered pubic hair stuck to a urinal trough in the most rancid stadium in the world over her.
If I had to pick between her and Chavez to be assasinated, I’d have a hard decision.