Hillary Busted

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’m sure Bush would never do anything like that. Right?

Bush’s run has one year to go. He can’t run again. Let it go. He was a stealth-lib who tried to destroy conservatism. He’s been found out and discreditted. We no longer take his as the voice of conservatism.

Now a question: if Hitler was running againstBush in an election and you HAD to vote, who would you choose, Wreckless? Just curious.

[/quote]

Does this mean, after 8 years of Hillary and in the very unlikely event that she’s a total fuck up, that we can claim she’s really a stealth con, who tried to destroy liberalism from within? Can we simply wash our hands and walk away from her, in the same time asking for another shot at the white house?

If Hitler was running against Bush, I’d try to shoot them both, or die trying.

I just know you would have voted for Hitler, if given half a chance.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
JeffR wrote:
muffin man wrote:
I’m sure Bush would never do anything like that. Right?

Hey, muffin man.

Provide proof that George W. Bush or his campaign ever planted a single question.

If you can’t, then shut your gluttonous pie-hole.

Either way, thanks in advance.

JeffR

You shouldn’t have called my bluff Effr0.

Here’s my ace: Jeff Gannon.

This is what wikipedia has to say about him:
[i]Gannon first gained national attention during a presidential press conference on January 26, 2005, in which he asked United States President George W. Bush a question that some in the press corps considered “so friendly it might have been planted.”[1] Gannon stated that this question was not meant to be friendly, but to expose the hypocrisy of the left.[citation needed]

Gannon then came under public scrutiny, in particular for his lack of a significant journalistic background prior to his work with Talon[2][3] and his alleged involvement with various homosexual escort service websites using the professional name Bulldog

Gannon routinely obtained daily passes to White House briefings. He attended four Bush press conferences and appeared regularly at White House press briefings. Although he did not qualify for a Congressional press pass, Gannon was given daily passes to White House press briefings “after supplying his real name, date of birth and Social Security number.”[/i]

And this is Gannon the Cannon at work, asking tough questions: “Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. Harry Reid was talking about soup lines. And Hillary Clinton was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there’s no crisis there. How are you going to work – you’ve said you are going to reach out to these people – how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?”

Had enough Effr0 ? ? ?
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MuffinMan,

You’ve got to be shitting me?

This is YOUR EVIDENCE of question planting by George W. Bush?

For everyone on this forum, please DO NOT USE WIKIPEDIA as your only source.

Try this on, muffinman,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36733-2005Feb18.html

here’s the newyorktimes: THE WAY WE LIVE NOW: 3-20-05: QUESTIONS FOR JEFF GANNON; Blogged Down - The New York Times

Here’s a discussion from accuracy in media:

http://www.aim.org/aim_column/2634_0_3_0_C/

Finally,

Here’s the White House Press Secretary discussing the issue:

To sum up, if you belonged to a published organization, you can get a daily pass.

He didn’t get a hard pass for any sensitive information.

Oh, please try and tell me that GEORGE W. BUSH USED THIS GUY as a plant for anything?

Don’t you (and the rest of the BUSH is an evil demon) crowd think they would have used someone ELSE as their plant?

He was telling them he wrote for talonnews and gopusa.

PRETTY OPEN WITH HIS PARTISANSHIP FOR A PLANT, wouldn’t you say?

Seriously. It doesn’t take much reading to figure out that this guy was openly partisan and had one hell of a personal background.

If George Bush was pulling a hillary and was looking to field only friendly questions: Why in the name of God would he EVER call on helen thomas, sam donaldson, or that jagbag from nbc?

Again, I asked for proof of planting questions. A single witness saying they were coached to plant questions would have sufficed? I thought I was very clear. I wanted proof. Not supposition. No possibility of coincidence. I wanted PROOF for your comment alleging that George Bush would plant people to ask specific questions.

This is what you respond with? An OPENLY partisan hack who made no bones about his Republican stances asks an incredibly partisan question at a press conference?

Stick to fighting caterpillars. I’m betting they have a LEG up on you in the brains department.

Beat the caterpillars before trying to outthink higher forms of life.

Good luck.

JeffR

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’m sure Bush would never do anything like that. Right?

Bush’s run has one year to go. He can’t run again. Let it go. He was a stealth-lib who tried to destroy conservatism. He’s been found out and discreditted. We no longer take his as the voice of conservatism.

Now a question: if Hitler was running againstBush in an election and you HAD to vote, who would you choose, Wreckless? Just curious.

Does this mean, after 8 years of Hillary and in the very unlikely event that she’s a total fuck up, that we can claim she’s really a stealth con, who tried to destroy liberalism from within? Can we simply wash our hands and walk away from her, in the same time asking for another shot at the white house?

If Hitler was running against Bush, I’d try to shoot them both, or die trying.

I just know you would have voted for Hitler, if given half a chance.

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muffinman,

I’d be careful about accusing someone of colluding with hitler.

I’ve read some stories of your countrymen and countrywomen doing just that.

Oh, you wouldn’t fire anything except a white flag or some verbal flatus.

It’s your tradition.

JeffR

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JeffR wrote:
pat36 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Here they are trying to influence wolf blitzer (another famous Conservative) and his questions for this thursday’s debate.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=6e01fdce-ad97-4dab-a07d-bf98dc52f681

TELL ME AGAIN, PEOPLE, just how imminent a clinton Presidency is?

JeffR

To many people loath the bitch for her to win. Hell, I thought Kerry was a shoe in '04, but that som-bitch was so unlikable that a president with a low approval rating still won. I hope I am right, but I just don’t see it happening.

Pat,

Watch over the next 2-3 weeks as the liberal media begins to remove their protection. Watch how many ugly stories begin to be reported.

You’ve seen some since her bubble of invincibility was pierced.

Attacks on Russert, not tipping a waitress, playing her desperation card: gender, and now planting questions.

I honestly didn’t think she’d implode this early.

I thought it would take Rudy to get her to flip out publicly.

The interesting question is: Is obama ready to take advantage?

A more experienced politician would be able to portray himself as the obvious alternative.

We’ll see.

JeffR

P.S. The silence from 100 meters/bradley/lumpy is deafening.

I agree. That said, the not tipping a waitress rumor turned out false according to Brit Hume.

mike[/quote]

Mike,

Didn’t see that Brit had said that.

Sorry, I brought it up if it turned out to be false.

If false, I retract that accusation.

Oh, I like your new avatar. Patrick Henry was a hell of an orator.

JeffR

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
It should come as no surprise that the Clintons will say and do anything to get elected. Planting questions among audience members is nothing compared to what could be exposed about Hillary.

Bill and Hillary are loathsome detestable people.[/quote]

Yet most don’t care. I don’t get this. He has little to nothing in the way of a legacy, she has little or no experience and integrity. The campaign fraud should be enough to put her to pasture, her and her cankles…

Hey Effr0,

Don’t try to rationalize your position. Bush (or his people) planted this guy in the press room to ask friendly questions. And that’s what he did.

You want proof? From your own link (I ALWAYS click your links).

[i]…you gained access to White House press briefings for two years, until your identity was revealed. Why do you think they let you in?

I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t know the criteria they use. I asked to be let in, and they allowed me to come. I was very fond of all the people in the press office. They treated me well. They probably treated me better than I deserved.[/i]

[i]Scott McClellan, the press secretary to President Bush, called on you and allowed you to ask questions on a nearly daily basis. What, exactly, is your relationship with him?

I was just another guy in the press room. Did I try to curry favor with him? Sure. When he got married, I left a wedding card for him in the press office. People are saying this proves there is some link. But as Einstein said, "Sometimes a wedding card is just a wedding card.[/i]

Yes, and sometimes a plant is just a plant. Do you really believe that anybody, without any credentials as a journalist, is allowed in during White House press briefings and then is allowed to asked questions on a daily basis? Do you?

You don’t mind if Bush plants questions, you think Hillary is evil when she does the same.

You’re the one with the caterpillar brain Effr0.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’m sure Bush would never do anything like that. Right?

Bush’s run has one year to go. He can’t run again. Let it go. He was a stealth-lib who tried to destroy conservatism. He’s been found out and discreditted. We no longer take his as the voice of conservatism.

Now a question: if Hitler was running againstBush in an election and you HAD to vote, who would you choose, Wreckless? Just curious.

Does this mean, after 8 years of Hillary and in the very unlikely event that she’s a total fuck up, that we can claim she’s really a stealth con, who tried to destroy liberalism from within? Can we simply wash our hands and walk away from her, in the same time asking for another shot at the white house?

If Hitler was running against Bush, I’d try to shoot them both, or die trying.

I just know you would have voted for Hitler, if given half a chance.

muffinman,

I’d be careful about accusing someone of colluding with hitler.

I’ve read some stories of your countrymen and countrywomen doing just that.

Oh, you wouldn’t fire anything except a white flag or some verbal flatus.

It’s your tradition.

JeffR

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And it’s your tradition to let your said get away with things you can’t except from “the other side”. The same here. HH did exactly the same you accuse me of. But that was ok. I return the favor, you’re up in arms.

You are so predictable Effr0.

[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
It should come as no surprise that the Clintons will say and do anything to get elected. Planting questions among audience members is nothing compared to what could be exposed about Hillary.

Bill and Hillary are loathsome detestable people.

Yet most don’t care. I don’t get this. He has little to nothing in the way of a legacy, she has little or no experience and integrity. The campaign fraud should be enough to put her to pasture, her and her cankles…[/quote]

What legacy does Bush have? And no, loosing 2 wars at once doesn’t count. Turning a surplus in the biggest deficit ever doesn’t count either. Getting thousands of people killed doesn’t count. Well, not much of a legacy.

Also, what was his esperience? And we know about his integrity. But hey, he’s one of the ol’ guys right?

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Hey Effr0,

Don’t try to rationalize your position. Bush (or his people) planted this guy in the press room to ask friendly questions. And that’s what he did.

You want proof? From your own link (I ALWAYS click your links).

[i]…you gained access to White House press briefings for two years, until your identity was revealed. Why do you think they let you in?

I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t know the criteria they use. I asked to be let in, and they allowed me to come. I was very fond of all the people in the press office. They treated me well. They probably treated me better than I deserved.[/i]

[i]Scott McClellan, the press secretary to President Bush, called on you and allowed you to ask questions on a nearly daily basis. What, exactly, is your relationship with him?

I was just another guy in the press room. Did I try to curry favor with him? Sure. When he got married, I left a wedding card for him in the press office. People are saying this proves there is some link. But as Einstein said, "Sometimes a wedding card is just a wedding card.[/i]

Yes, and sometimes a plant is just a plant. Do you really believe that anybody, without any credentials as a journalist, is allowed in during White House press briefings and then is allowed to asked questions on a daily basis? Do you?

You don’t mind if Bush plants questions, you think Hillary is evil when she does the same.

You’re the one with the caterpillar brain Effr0.[/quote]

MuffinMan,

The fact that he curried favor with the Press Secretary MEANS NOTHING. They all do that.

IN THIS CASE CURRYING FAVOR EQUALS LEAVING A FREAKING WEDDING CARD!!!

Until you prove that his questions were given to him by Bush or his Administration, kindly keep your mouth shut.

Now, I’m going to end this discussion with the FACT that Bush hasn’t EVER planted questions.

Therefore, as usual, your little innuendo’s and falsehoods have been exposed.

Finally, THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS EARTH THAT IF GANNON WAS A PLANT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PLANT THIS QUESTION:

“Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was talking about soup lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there’s no crisis there. How are you going to work – you’ve said you are going to reach out to these people – how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?”

From: http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260015

How transparent would that have been?!?

You are a joke.

JeffR

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

And it’s your tradition to let your said get away with things you can’t except from “the other side”. The same here. HH did exactly the same you accuse me of. But that was ok. I return the favor, you’re up in arms.

You are so predictable Effr0.[/quote]

MuffinMan,

I cannot think of any situation in which you cause me anything but amusement. I have to admit that upwards of 75% of the time, my posts to you are directed at others.

I know that you are a troll. However, some of your continent’s inhabitants actually believe a portion of what you allege. Some of these people are actually intelligent.

Misinformed, biased, but intelligent.

Those are the people that benefit when I smack your gelatinous ass around.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Hey Effr0,

Don’t try to rationalize your position. Bush (or his people) planted this guy in the press room to ask friendly questions. And that’s what he did.

You want proof? From your own link (I ALWAYS click your links).

[i]…you gained access to White House press briefings for two years, until your identity was revealed. Why do you think they let you in?

I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t know the criteria they use. I asked to be let in, and they allowed me to come. I was very fond of all the people in the press office. They treated me well. They probably treated me better than I deserved.[/i]

[i]Scott McClellan, the press secretary to President Bush, called on you and allowed you to ask questions on a nearly daily basis. What, exactly, is your relationship with him?

I was just another guy in the press room. Did I try to curry favor with him? Sure. When he got married, I left a wedding card for him in the press office. People are saying this proves there is some link. But as Einstein said, "Sometimes a wedding card is just a wedding card.[/i]

Yes, and sometimes a plant is just a plant. Do you really believe that anybody, without any credentials as a journalist, is allowed in during White House press briefings and then is allowed to asked questions on a daily basis? Do you?

You don’t mind if Bush plants questions, you think Hillary is evil when she does the same.

You’re the one with the caterpillar brain Effr0.

MuffinMan,

The fact that he curried favor with the Press Secretary MEANS NOTHING. They all do that.

IN THIS CASE CURRYING FAVOR EQUALS LEAVING A FREAKING WEDDING CARD!!!

Until you prove that his questions were given to him by Bush or his Administration, kindly keep your mouth shut.

Now, I’m going to end this discussion with the FACT that Bush hasn’t EVER planted questions.

Therefore, as usual, your little innuendo’s and falsehoods have been exposed.

Finally, THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS EARTH THAT IF GANNON WAS A PLANT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PLANT THIS QUESTION:

“Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was talking about soup lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there’s no crisis there. How are you going to work – you’ve said you are going to reach out to these people – how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?”

From: http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260015

How transparent would that have been?!?

You are a joke.

JeffR

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I wouldn’t waste my time, Jeff. Facts and truth are as insignifigant to wreckless as his presense on these boards and likely in the world. He doesn’t mind killing as long as people such as you or I are the victims. He supports muslim extremists and and virutally every ruthless oppresive dictator in the world. Shit, this guy makes lixy look down right resonable. But at least lixy has an excuse, he been duped and indoctrinated into extremism. This nimrod has nothing but his own hate to keep him warm at night.

[quote]pat36 wrote:

I wouldn’t waste my time, Jeff. Facts and truth are as insignifigant to wreckless as his presense on these boards and likely in the world. He doesn’t mind killing as long as people such as you or I are the victims. He supports muslim extremists and and virutally every ruthless oppresive dictator in the world. Shit, this guy makes lixy look down right resonable. But at least lixy has an excuse, he been duped and indoctrinated into extremism. This nimrod has nothing but his own hate to keep him warm at night.
[/quote]

Pat,

You are correct. Most of the time I’m writing to destroy the talking points of his pals. Some of them are actually capable of being educated.

JeffR

Pardon Me?
By JAKE TAPPER
Nov. 15, 2007 �??

Three recipients of controversial 11th-hour pardons issued by former President Bill Clinton in January 2001 have donated thousands of dollars to the presidential campaign of his wife, Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., according to campaign finance records examined by ABC News, in what some good government groups said created an appearance of impropriety.

“It’s not illegal,” Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, told ABC News. "But, of course, it’s inappropriate and she should return the money. It does raise the appearance that this is payback.

“One can only hope that she wasn’t yet aware of who made the donations,” said Sloan.

“We have raised over $65 million from over 200,000 people,” said Clinton campaign manager Howard Wolfson, adding sarcastically, “I appreciate your bringing the instance of this $5,300 and these three people to our attention.”

Bush is a piker compared to these people.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I’m sure Bush would never do anything like that. Right?

Bush’s run has one year to go. He can’t run again. Let it go. He was a stealth-lib who tried to destroy conservatism. He’s been found out and discreditted. We no longer take his as the voice of conservatism.

Now a question: if Hitler was running againstBush in an election and you HAD to vote, who would you choose, Wreckless? Just curious.

Does this mean, after 8 years of Hillary and in the very unlikely event that she’s a total fuck up, that we can claim she’s really a stealth con, who tried to destroy liberalism from within? Can we simply wash our hands and walk away from her, in the same time asking for another shot at the white house?

If Hitler was running against Bush, I’d try to shoot them both, or die trying.

I just know you would have voted for Hitler, if given half a chance.

[/quote]

Well, so much for entering America: threatening to shoot our president is a federal crime. Should I hunt down the proper Belgian authorities to see if threatening to assasinate foreign leaders is a crime in Belgium?

Ah, why bother? They’re all out hunting for crickets or butterflies or wtf it was.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Hey Effr0,

Don’t try to rationalize your position. Bush (or his people) planted this guy in the press room to ask friendly questions. And that’s what he did.

You want proof? From your own link (I ALWAYS click your links).

[i]…you gained access to White House press briefings for two years, until your identity was revealed. Why do you think they let you in?

I don’t know the answer to that. I don’t know the criteria they use. I asked to be let in, and they allowed me to come. I was very fond of all the people in the press office. They treated me well. They probably treated me better than I deserved.[/i]

[i]Scott McClellan, the press secretary to President Bush, called on you and allowed you to ask questions on a nearly daily basis. What, exactly, is your relationship with him?

I was just another guy in the press room. Did I try to curry favor with him? Sure. When he got married, I left a wedding card for him in the press office. People are saying this proves there is some link. But as Einstein said, "Sometimes a wedding card is just a wedding card.[/i]

Yes, and sometimes a plant is just a plant. Do you really believe that anybody, without any credentials as a journalist, is allowed in during White House press briefings and then is allowed to asked questions on a daily basis? Do you?

You don’t mind if Bush plants questions, you think Hillary is evil when she does the same.

You’re the one with the caterpillar brain Effr0.

MuffinMan,

The fact that he curried favor with the Press Secretary MEANS NOTHING. They all do that.

IN THIS CASE CURRYING FAVOR EQUALS LEAVING A FREAKING WEDDING CARD!!!

Until you prove that his questions were given to him by Bush or his Administration, kindly keep your mouth shut.

Now, I’m going to end this discussion with the FACT that Bush hasn’t EVER planted questions.

Therefore, as usual, your little innuendo’s and falsehoods have been exposed.

Finally, THERE IS NO WAY ON THIS EARTH THAT IF GANNON WAS A PLANT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD PLANT THIS QUESTION:

“Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was talking about soup lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that Social Security is rock solid and there’s no crisis there. How are you going to work – you’ve said you are going to reach out to these people – how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?”

From: http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260015

How transparent would that have been?!?

You are a joke.

JeffR

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Let’s get this straght. This is your defence? Is it?

So a guys with absolutely no journalistic credentials is allowed into the press room, is allowed to ask quetions on a daily basis and your defense is that his questions were so pro-Bush that they couldn’t have been planted by Bush or any of his people.

Is that right?

Is it me getting smarter every day, or are you getting thicker every day?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
It should come as no surprise that the Clintons will say and do anything to get elected. Planting questions among audience members is nothing compared to what could be exposed about Hillary.

Bill and Hillary are loathsome detestable people.

I know you like to pretend you can choose between Hillary and perfection.

But ask yourself this question, will the Clintons lie and get thousands of people killed in an avoidable war? Let’s not forget the big picture here.

Your premise has no merit, the choice is not between Bush and Hillary.

And, I’m very thankful for that.[/quote]

My point was that people like you love Bush, knowing that his lies kill tens of thousands of people.

Yet you loath the Clintons for some unspecified reason, that you can’t really put into words.

[quote]reckless wrote:

Let’s get this straght. This is your defence? Is it?

So a guys with absolutely no journalistic credentials is allowed into the press room, is allowed to ask quetions on a daily basis and your defense is that his questions were so pro-Bush that they couldn’t have been planted by Bush or any of his people.

Is that right?

Is it me getting smarter every day, or are you getting thicker every day?[/quote]

muffinman,

No.

Read my posts. You’ll see that the bar for entrance to the press briefings is very low.

Sum up: Bush never planted questions.

hillary does.

The muffinman has been exposed as a dunce once again.

JeffR

[quote]pat36 wrote:

I wouldn’t waste my time, Jeff. Facts and truth are as insignifigant to wreckless as his presense on these boards and likely in the world. [/quote]
So facts and truth are important to you eh? Let’s see how well you do then.

That’s not a fact. Where did you get that from? I don’t support any killing. You on the other hand support the invasion of Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people.

Another lie. I didn’t support Saddam. You did. I don’t support the Saudi royals either, you do. I don’t support the Pakistani dictator, you do. Neither did I support Pinochet, the Argentinan dictators, no, that was all the work of the leader of the free world.

[quote] Shit, this guy makes lixy look down right resonable. But at least lixy has an excuse, he been duped and indoctrinated into extremism. This nimrod has nothing but his own hate to keep him warm at night.
[/quote]
And you sir, are full of crap.