No you were saying something very different.
That people with so called normal test levels(like normal means a shit) when start TRT and raise their androgen levels mask the underlying issue despite they feel better. So any evidence to that?
Good advice to the people here. Spend your entire life for searching the “underlying issue”, become hypochondriacs but dont start trt because your levels are “normal”
No, I didn’t. But, if your androgen levels are normal, you definitely need to investigate before deciding on a treatment. A guy with a full head of hair wouldn’t typically pursue implants, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense, just like virtually everything that you post. Seriously, crawl back under your rock moron, no one here values your opinion.
So what is that? You cannot even remember what you are saying. Stop giving crappy advice to people. Otherwise I have nothing against your stupidity
@hardartery is LIGHT YEARS ahead of you.
I threw you out of my group. I can’t have you spread this kind of nonsense in there. No way.
I knew you would throw me and wanted to accelerate that thats why I strted debating you yesterday. I know you throw people who disagree with you. I will continue to state what I know is right
That wasn’t a debate. That was a comedy.
You know it’s right with zero evidence and aren’t dialed in after all this time. For crissakes you were in this forum forever prior to even having been on TRT. You should have been a god damn expert by the time you started and dialed in within three months.
Meanwhile…
You do not see how utterly ridiculous you sound? I know you don’t. That is what makes it so utterly comedic.
Keep spreading what you “know” to the newbies and I’ll ensure they know immediately that you’re the one they shouldn’t be listening to. Like estrogen being an androgen. For fucks sakes… After all this time reading up on the subject? Estrogen is an androgen??
Keep also challenging the vets to provide additional comic relief.
I know every single theory of yours. Just unlike you I accept there are exceptions and refuse to follow it like a gospel
Perfectly explains why you’re still not dialed in after spending 24/7 in trt forums for years.
This is why. THIS is why.
Dude, you are completely and utterly out of your league here and making yourself look like a fool.
Yep. I tend to not like evangelism. Seems you are looking for followers
Followers? I help men. I don’t give a rat’s ass about followers. If I cared about followers I wouldn’t have given up my rights to the YouTube channel.
I got quite a few thank you messages from the guys in the group once they saw you were gone. I had two complaints and was waiting for a third, but I said the hell with it.
Then you can start accepting there may be other truth than what you only know and things arent always that simple. Even though your experience may show things work most often like you think, that does not mean always
Accept nonsense from a guy who couldn’t get dialed in if the fate of mankind depended on it? After I’m approaching somewhere in the area of two thousand guys I’ve helped now? I know what works. I’m dialed in and have been for quite some time. You have all the answers but still can’t figure anything out.
I keep telling you. Stop visiting this place. Get your issues figured out. Once you’ve been dialed in for six months, come back and tell them what you learned and what the solution was. Right now you’re just embarrassing yourself to no end.
Gents could you do me a favour and have this argument somewhere else please?
I’ve been really unwell for some time and come here for advice- this thread is descending into something else.
@hardartery I’ve had every test under the sun on the NHS and they can’t find the route cause of my symptoms-
I’m assuming my high SHBG and low free t is what is causing my symptoms.
I don’t havd much other avenue at this point than to try and do something about how I feel-
If anyone knows what else I should look at to try and get my SHBG down I’m all ears- Boron not making any difference (I’m presuming I get enough in my very varied diet and it helps when people are deficient).
Liver tests all normal and have been done regularly.
This is the most logical conclusion but you can listen to @hardartery and spend you life looking for the underlying cause because your test levels are “normal”. So it cannot be the testosterone this is what the smart guy here is saying
If they can’t find any obvious reasons, and there are no other obvious options, you can try a trial of TRT and see if it helps. If it does, at least you looked into alternatives first and can justify the decision.
This is where I am at.
I hit an all-time low last week.
I put 125mg Test E into me Friday night- this was left over from when I was on a protocal for 3 weeks and bottled it.
I’ve had the best weekend Ive had in ages.
Been happy
Had sex
Exercised and enjoyed it
Played with my kids
Didn’t spend the afternoon in bed.
Slept better
Felt happy
Its given me the motivation to sort this out too-
Felt happy
Played with the dog-
Went for a run
Felt happy
I’ve emailed a clinic down south. Need to get in this properly now- want my life back!
Then go for it. What’s causing the high SHBG may remain a mystery, hopefully it doesn’t show up later as a serious unaddressed issue. Expect a little bit of a fight to dial in, you might end up on a pretty high dose to be good. But whatever else you do, ignore whatever @vonko1988 has to say, he lacks reading comprehension and will never get himself dialed in - much less help someone else to gert dialed in.
My experience is not consistent with what you posted. If you are testosterone deficient, then yes increasing Free T levels will help you to feel better, though you may still have other underlying comorbidities. However, if you are not testosterone deficient, or at your optimum levels of testosterone (which varies by individual), increasing your T level will not help you to feel better. At least in my experience.
You also need to separate our gym performance and recovery from day to day feeling of well-being. When you push yourself in the gym beyond further and further, your recovery times will increase, and during recovery you may not feel “optimal”. Adding more T to your system will help to speed up recovery and thus help you to feel better, but is this and AAS use of T or a medical use of T. My personal belief is the former. I have no opinion on whether that a legitimate use of T, but I do believe that one need to distinguish between the two.
This guy @hardartery believes in the normal ranges. So if you are in range, you are not deficient.
Just like the average endocrinologist that brings misery and frustration to every second member of this forum. Thanks god there are people out there who can use some critical thinking
That’s def not what he said.