[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be.
[quote]yorik wrote:
Fructose and glucose are processed differently by the body and have different effects. It’s like saying all fats are the same, and we all know they’re not. Not all sugars are the same, but these both pretty much suck in large amounts.[/quote]
HFCS contains, in many cases, nearly the same amount of fructose as sucrose. HFCS is not pure fructose.
No one is arguing that fructose isn’t dangerous in large amounts, they’re arguing that a moderate intake of HFCS (which is only roughly half fructose, the other half being glucose) isn’t going to kill you or make you obese.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
Bullshit.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
liter of cola FARVA… come on this is at the end of page 2, someone had to say it on pg 3
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
Get used to it. As you continue to improve yourself, all the people in your life are going to to tell you how this doesn’t work, or that isn’t healthy or tons of other stuff. Just ignore them. Either they’ll eventually see it work for you and change…or they’ll die early from a heart attack. That’s life.[/quote]
Exactly.
My old man thinks I’m crazy for taking a multi, fish oil, chondroitin, and vitamin D.
I think he’s crazy for never stretching before or after his soccer games, that’s life.
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
People can argue calories in vs. calories out all they want. But I’ll say this, in my years as an athlete and now personal trainer: I know people with low body-fat who eat all different types of diet, but I have never once met a fat person who got that way by eating a controlled-carb (<200g), moderate-to-high protein diet that severely limits sugar and attempts to balance n3 to n6. And I’ve never met anybody who couldn’t get lean following a diet like that.
I’ve never really counted calories, nor advised anybody to count calories and I’ve never seen somebody overeat (for an extended period of time) on that type of diet. There is a strong link between appetite and carbohydrates- or even artificial sweetners. There is also different satiety responses to different foods at the same time. Hence, why you can gorge yourself on steak and still be hungry for a sugar-bomb dessert. Protein-rich and (some) fat-rich foods are much more satiating than carb-rich foods.
It’s been my experience that compliance on a “Paleo” (I use that term loosely as I think many things like protein powder, etc. are perfectly good) style diet is much, much higher than on a more “traditional” 50/30/20 CHO/PRO/FAT diet. So, if I know that some people could get lean on a high-carb diet, but almost everybody can get lean on a “Paleo” diet, why would I ever even bother with a high-carb “portion control” diet?
This particular commentary is not directed at anybody in this thread in particular, I just always wonder why people get in these debates. Who cares whether HFCS is worse than sucrose or not? That’s like arguing whether it’s better to get punched in the head or the stomach; they both suck and a smart man avoids both.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
People can argue calories in vs. calories out all they want. But I’ll say this, in my years as an athlete and now personal trainer: I know people with low body-fat who eat all different types of diet, but I have never once met a fat person who got that way by eating a controlled-carb (<200g), moderate-to-high protein diet that severely limits sugar and attempts to balance n3 to n6. And I’ve never met anybody who couldn’t get lean following a diet like that.
I’ve never really counted calories, nor advised anybody to count calories and I’ve never seen somebody overeat (for an extended period of time) on that type of diet. There is a strong link between appetite and carbohydrates- or even artificial sweetners. There is also different satiety responses to different foods at the same time. Hence, why you can gorge yourself on steak and still be hungry for a sugar-bomb dessert. Protein-rich and (some) fat-rich foods are much more satiating than carb-rich foods.
It’s been my experience that compliance on a “Paleo” (I use that term loosely as I think many things like protein powder, etc. are perfectly good) style diet is much, much higher than on a more “traditional” 50/30/20 CHO/PRO/FAT diet. So, if I know that some people could get lean on a high-carb diet, but almost everybody can get lean on a “Paleo” diet, why would I ever even bother with a high-carb “portion control” diet?
This particular commentary is not directed at anybody in this thread in particular, I just always wonder why people get in these debates. Who cares whether HFCS is worse than sucrose or not? That’s like arguing whether it’s better to get punched in the head or the stomach; they both suck and a smart man avoids both.[/quote]
I too have had really good experience with that approach. However I did count calories and when I was eating high carb/low fat I was logging about 1800-2000 calories a day of a diet a lot closer to what I’ve always eaten (and I did my best to be honest with my portions a estimates so I wouldn’t sabotage myself) and I did lose some weight but when I started to tweak the ratios I saw a radical change in my body comp. I even increased calories.
I also saw with my food choices changing that my energy levels were improving and my workouts were getting better. I was sleeping better and feeling better all around which I believe led to better workouts and better conditioning which then led to handling more calories.
I was also getting in better condition from training too. From a scientific perspective, I can’t make any arguments about being able to eat more calories from different foods when my body was going from out of shape tubbo to in-shape and my workouts went from pathetic wheezing sessions to actually becoming stronger and fitter and my runs went from a pathetic half walking half jogging to actually running up hills.
As for why these arguments occur I think part of the problem with the promotion of the idea that ‘HFCS is what is making people fat’ is that it misses the whole point. If the goal is to promote a better understanding of diet, nutrition and fitness, pointing at a large group of over eating, sedentary, obese people and seeing HFCS as the culprit isn’t really going to address anything because if you swap the HFCS with sugar you’re not going to see any difference.
I think it is a good thing to get people to read labels and understand what HFCS is though.
Another problem that happens in these debates is that people seem to use the dietary needs of athletes and bodybuilders interchangeably with the average under-active overweight person.
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school 
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.[/quote]
actually, i was eating MORE carbs when losing weight!
i really wish i had some pictures to back up my claims on the fat loss…
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.[/quote]
actually, i was eating MORE carbs when losing weight!
i really wish i had some pictures to back up my claims on the fat loss…
[/quote]
Waits a sec…so eating carbs in small amounts while training made you ridiculously fat…but you lost weight by eating more carbs.
wut
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.[/quote]
actually, i was eating MORE carbs when losing weight!
i really wish i had some pictures to back up my claims on the fat loss…
[/quote]
The other thing I dont get is that you said you gain fat easily on high carbs, but that you were eating MORE carbs when losing weight. That statement totally contradicts itself and if you ask me, it wasn’t the carbs to begin with, but the TYPES of carbs.
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.[/quote]
actually, i was eating MORE carbs when losing weight!
i really wish i had some pictures to back up my claims on the fat loss…
[/quote]
The other thing I dont get is that you said you gain fat easily on high carbs, but that you were eating MORE carbs when losing weight. That statement totally contradicts itself and if you ask me, it wasn’t the carbs to begin with, but the TYPES of carbs.
[/quote]
Honestly, in equal amounts in a training individual, I seriously doubt there’s much difference between bread and cereal and brown rice and oatmeal.
Especially 1500 calories worth.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]deadliftgoal500 wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Josh Rider wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Scott M wrote:
How many sodas were you drinking in a day?[/quote]
Probably a liter a day. [/quote]
That’s about 3000 extra calories a week mainly from sugar. If you cut out 3000 calories a week from any source, weight loss would occur. [/quote]
Try cutting out 3k cals a week from healthy food, tell me how easy that would be. [/quote]
So like one less bowl of rice per day?
What’s your point?[/quote]
from pure life experience, …calories did nothing to stop me form getting fat.
back when i was 37%bf, i ate about 1500 calories everyday.
i lost 50 lbs and got to 16%bf by eating 3000 calories, but the calories came from healthy foods.
so i think calories in vs calories out is a simple way of explaining fat loss and fat gain,
but it’s narrow minded because it doesn’t take into account the types of calories at nutrient timing.
ex:250 claories of lucky charms at night=bad
500 caloires from casein, evoo, and other oils(cocunut, fish, walnut, almond, flax etc) at night is good!
[/quote]
I’m calling bullshit. Seriously.
MAYBE if you went from being totally sedentary, extremely low lean body mass, and consuming no protein (higher TEF) to being highly active and consuming 25%+ of your daily caloric intake from protein, then it could MAYBE be possible.
Overweight people are NOTORIOUS for underreporting caloric intake. This has been documented repeatedly. Look at it this way: if fat people were truly aware of how much they ate on a daily basis, do you think they’d be fat? You had 50 lbs of bodyfat to lose (congrats on the weight loss, btw) in order to even get close to a respectably low bodyfat, so do you really think you were mindful of everything you ate in the process of gaining that 50 lbs? If you got to 37% bodyfat, then you had to have been overeating on a fairly regular basis, whether you realized it or not.
As for your night-time shake example, well…I don’t want to burst your bubble about the night-time insulin fairy…BUT, did you ever think that maybe there was something wrong with the reasoning behind feeding your body an ample amount of energy substrate in the form that is most readily stored as fat right before an 8-10 hour period of inactivity?
Let’s put it this way.
The first law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.
The second law of nutrient timing is: total caloric intake and macronutrient composition is always more important than nutrient timing.[/quote]
i went from fairly active(was in lacrosse and football) while eating shit to extremely active.
after i lost all the weight i wanted to find out how much i was eating and found out it was only about 1500 calories per day.
this was all i ate:
breakfast:cheerios and milk
lunch: 2 slices turkey with 2 slices white bread(wonder brand)
dinner:4 rotis(indian whole grain bread) with some vegetables
breakfast:544(used to put alot of cheerios in my bowl)
lunch:220
dinner:763
*used calorie count for this
*and no, i am not bullshiting, i have better things to do in my life than lie in a computer forum.
[/quote]
Brother, you DO NOT get to THIRTY-SEVEN FUCKING PERCENT bodyfat by playing football, lacrosse, and eating 1500 calories a day.
Do you have any idea how fucking fat 37%BF is?[/quote]
x2
Actually, I’m sure our friend here ate that exact same thing, every single day while he was gaining that 60 lbs. I’m sure he never drank any sort of sweetened drinks or snacked on calorie dense foods. He probably never ate fast-food calorie bombs on any sort of regular basis or pigged out at social functions.
Just because you ate 1500 calories on one particular day says nothing about your lifestyle in general during the amount of time (most likely measured in years) that it took you to get that fat.[/quote]
ummmm…
actually i did eat those things everyday because i used to believe a high carb diet was healthy. i also wanted to lose weight 2 years ago and this was why i was only eating 1500 calories everyday for 2 years. the scale still went up though!
and playing sports didn’t do anything except make me have shin splits and make me more popular in school
honestly, i get where this suspicion that i’m bullshitting is coming from. i’m honestly the exception to rule in that i gain weight on carbs easily. after just cutting white bread and cereal, replacing it with brown rice and oatmeal; and adding fats and protein(thus the higher calories), i lost fat easily.
and yes, i do know how fat that is. i was pre-diabetic and had nearly deadly cholesterol levels, but strangely i was only 211 lbs@6ft.(LBM was horrible)
[/quote]
So you’re eating the same amount of carbs, but from sources with lower Glycemic Load?
Does not compute.[/quote]
actually, i was eating MORE carbs when losing weight!
i really wish i had some pictures to back up my claims on the fat loss…
[/quote]
The other thing I dont get is that you said you gain fat easily on high carbs, but that you were eating MORE carbs when losing weight. That statement totally contradicts itself and if you ask me, it wasn’t the carbs to begin with, but the TYPES of carbs.
[/quote]
Honestly, in equal amounts in a training individual, I seriously doubt there’s much difference between bread and cereal and brown rice and oatmeal.
Especially 1500 calories worth.[/quote]
It sounds to me like this guy may have lost the weight he claims, but isn’t aware of precisely how he did it, as no one sheds 50 pounds by doubling caloric intake, regardless of where those calories come from (unless their diet consists of literally nothing but sugary dietary nightmares). I lost 60 pounds since mid march, and I know exactly how I did it. Vastly increased activity, while decreasing my caloric intake while also making sure that the decreased calories come from more protein, and less carbs and fat.