High Frequency 5/3/1

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

20 mins jump roping. This is one of the few forms of cardio I enjoy[/quote]

I love jumping rope, but whenever I go for more than 15 minutes my calves hurt like hell the next day.[/quote]
I feel you. Mine stopped after the first week luckily. My calves definitely grow from jumping rope as well.

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

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Pretty good honestly, though now if I eat too many ‘dirty’ fats from like Donuts and such, the effect is less then stellar lol.

Yeah, breaking off the floor is hard with Sumos IMO. Oly shoes didn’t help me stay ‘upright’, I guess more flat backed? Because while I still pushed through my heels, I was able to really fire with my quads. I could be explosive, almost like a vertical jump. I don’t think they would help with Sumo though.

Seriously I think that you’ll find once you get use to it, us lankier folk are better at Conventional, even though initially long arms + Sumo gives us such a short ROM that it’s initially easier. [/quote]
hmm I’ll have to give it more of a try. I went conventional twice the last couple of weeks and both times I was much weaker + my hip flexors were angry. I think getting used to it + getting my form on point will help a lot though. I actually like conventional a lot because I’m pretty sure it makes my sumo go up. If I improve my form and get more hips into it, I think it’ll be on par with sumo in a few weeks. thanks for stopping by btw

“my hip was bothering me, so I decided to go sumo” That is some weird shit. Have you tried split squats to stretch the hip flexors? I like to do them with bw whenever my hips are tight, and just kind of sit back/down until I get an extremely deep stretch. After doing that a few times I take the stride out even more, and do them normally. It helps keep my hips (somewhat) healthy.

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

20 mins jump roping. This is one of the few forms of cardio I enjoy[/quote]

I love jumping rope, but whenever I go for more than 15 minutes my calves hurt like hell the next day.[/quote]
I feel you. Mine stopped after the first week luckily. My calves definitely grow from jumping rope as well.

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

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Pretty good honestly, though now if I eat too many ‘dirty’ fats from like Donuts and such, the effect is less then stellar lol.

Yeah, breaking off the floor is hard with Sumos IMO. Oly shoes didn’t help me stay ‘upright’, I guess more flat backed? Because while I still pushed through my heels, I was able to really fire with my quads. I could be explosive, almost like a vertical jump. I don’t think they would help with Sumo though.

Seriously I think that you’ll find once you get use to it, us lankier folk are better at Conventional, even though initially long arms + Sumo gives us such a short ROM that it’s initially easier. [/quote]
hmm I’ll have to give it more of a try. I went conventional twice the last couple of weeks and both times I was much weaker + my hip flexors were angry. I think getting used to it + getting my form on point will help a lot though. I actually like conventional a lot because I’m pretty sure it makes my sumo go up. If I improve my form and get more hips into it, I think it’ll be on par with sumo in a few weeks. thanks for stopping by btw
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Do you think there is an easy way to ease in? My cardio is good enough to go about half an hour straight with 2 or 3 one minute rests. I can’t walk the next few days though.

@DSSG I do hip flexor stretches every day, but just a static stretch at the bottom of that. I’m going to give the split squats a try tomorrow for quad work. I remember synergy or paragon posting that single leg movements are a must for tall guys. Thanks!!

@trivium I think maybe just try and 5-10 mins a day as warmup and build up to the longer sessions. My broscience theory is that doing them HIIT style (100 or so skips as fast as possible) in rounds is easier on your joints and a better workout than just going the whole time straight with slower skips.

I deadlifted on Thursday. My emotions were mixed so I’ll get that down once it’s all sorted out.

8/2/13
military
45 5, 5
95 5
115 5
120 8
supersetted w/
wide grip pullups 5x10

dips +55 5x10
supersetted w/
db rows 110 5x10 some of these were sloppy, will stay at this weight for another couple of sessions

Current focus:
-progress on 5/3/1 BBB, only modification is front squats for back squats
-making my lower body extremely limber all over. I’m hypermobile in some cases (can reach depth in a front squat and also can put my leg behind my head easily, but at the same time my hips are so tight that I walk better after a couple mins of stretching). This will be done by stretching/mob work 3x a day.
-finish cut. I’m at 185 now and will probably stop at 180 lol. It’s hard to believe that I went from 150 to 230 and now am in the middle of that. This is all just hitting my macros and now doing some sort of conditioning daily.

Hey, you had an oly lifter giving you some deadlift tips? Did they help, or hinder your performance? Honestly do whatever feels right for you (within reason). I personally like my hips high, and my torso low for conventional, and close/moderate sumo. It takes advantage of my hamstrings, and 'dem long arms, and legs I have. Keeping your hips low might be good for you, or it might kill your strength like it does with me.

However there is a time, and place for that type of thing. For example if you were trying to get your glutes/abductors/adductors (quads too) stronger (or the bottom range of a sumo deadlift) then keeping your hips as low as possible while staying as upright as you can to make it be a wide/very wide stance squat with the bar in your hands would be better. Of course this probably all comes out as rambling to you. :wink:

recap:
as your competition style pull however you are strongest, and can stay healthy
pull with low hips with ultra wide sumo/deficit/other sumo variations for bottom range sumo strength
pull sumo with low hips if you are trying to get your conventional stronger
I probably suck at formatting my thoughts into words

DSSG

Thought about adding any joker sets?

8/3/13
front squat
160 7

RDL
190 5x10
this was much easier than last week’s RDLs, maybe because I didn’t superset it with pullups

8/5/13
bench
45 20
95 5
135 3
170 5
190 5
210 3
supersetted with
wide grip pullups 5x10 - these were really easy today too. I didn’t use straps and went ultrawide. I’ll focus more on close grip pullups now to hit lats and give my shoulders and elbows some ease

155 3x10
135 2x10
switched grips on these, 2 wide, 1 normal, 2 close
supersetted with
standing db preacher curls 40 5x10 CURL PR!!

lateral raise machine
4x15

I’m still so obnoxiously weak lol. Now that my diet is in check at least I’m not going 1 step forward 2 steps back, and can look forward to some consistent progress.

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
Thought about adding any joker sets?[/quote]
I haven’t bought the book yet so I had to google that - it’s a great idea. That’s exactly how the frequency project template is set up and it works very well. I will however wait a couple cycles before adding those in. I want to break some rep PRs first; currently I’m 10-20 pounds under all of them. I think the frequent maxing out kind of tempers you to handle actual heavy weights and maintain form while doing it.

[quote]DSSG wrote:
Hey, you had an oly lifter giving you some deadlift tips? Did they help, or hinder your performance? Honestly do whatever feels right for you (within reason). I personally like my hips high, and my torso low for conventional, and close/moderate sumo. It takes advantage of my hamstrings, and 'dem long arms, and legs I have. Keeping your hips low might be good for you, or it might kill your strength like it does with me.

However there is a time, and place for that type of thing. For example if you were trying to get your glutes/abductors/adductors (quads too) stronger (or the bottom range of a sumo deadlift) then keeping your hips as low as possible while staying as upright as you can to make it be a wide/very wide stance squat with the bar in your hands would be better. Of course this probably all comes out as rambling to you. :wink:

recap:
as your competition style pull however you are strongest, and can stay healthy
pull with low hips with ultra wide sumo/deficit/other sumo variations for bottom range sumo strength
pull sumo with low hips if you are trying to get your conventional stronger
I probably suck at formatting my thoughts into words

DSSG[/quote]
Nah I feel you, your thoughts are much appreciated as always dude. He did kind of ruin my session lol but it was an eye opener as to how weak my quads have gotten and how weak my posterior chain still is. I think I’ll stay with my hips a bit high as you said, but I do need to bring them down a bit lower and get my legs into it better. I need to get videos of it - I’ve never seen what my form looks like on these. I’ll make it a point to do that next time I deadlift.

I need to rewatch this before the next front squat session

hey man, how’ve you been? i haven’t been on here much in a while, i just started posting my log again recently. I was also doing the 5/3/1 high frequency training back when you did it? From what I’ve seen in your log recently, you are back to using 5/3/1?

[quote]browndisaster wrote:

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
Thought about adding any joker sets?[/quote]
I haven’t bought the book yet so I had to google that - it’s a great idea. That’s exactly how the frequency project template is set up and it works very well. I will however wait a couple cycles before adding those in. I want to break some rep PRs first; currently I’m 10-20 pounds under all of them. I think the frequent maxing out kind of tempers you to handle actual heavy weights and maintain form while doing it.

[quote]DSSG wrote:
Hey, you had an oly lifter giving you some deadlift tips? Did they help, or hinder your performance? Honestly do whatever feels right for you (within reason). I personally like my hips high, and my torso low for conventional, and close/moderate sumo. It takes advantage of my hamstrings, and 'dem long arms, and legs I have. Keeping your hips low might be good for you, or it might kill your strength like it does with me.

However there is a time, and place for that type of thing. For example if you were trying to get your glutes/abductors/adductors (quads too) stronger (or the bottom range of a sumo deadlift) then keeping your hips as low as possible while staying as upright as you can to make it be a wide/very wide stance squat with the bar in your hands would be better. Of course this probably all comes out as rambling to you. :wink:

recap:
as your competition style pull however you are strongest, and can stay healthy
pull with low hips with ultra wide sumo/deficit/other sumo variations for bottom range sumo strength
pull sumo with low hips if you are trying to get your conventional stronger
I probably suck at formatting my thoughts into words

DSSG[/quote]
Nah I feel you, your thoughts are much appreciated as always dude. He did kind of ruin my session lol but it was an eye opener as to how weak my quads have gotten and how weak my posterior chain still is. I think I’ll stay with my hips a bit high as you said, but I do need to bring them down a bit lower and get my legs into it better. I need to get videos of it - I’ve never seen what my form looks like on these. I’ll make it a point to do that next time I deadlift.
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Weak quads, and weak posterior chain? (hamstrings, and glutes?) You are in a fucked up position. First, let’s get you some exercises that will help your strength off the floor.
If I remember correctly you can only front squat, right?

If so:

front squat 5/3/1/ day:
front squat 5/3/1 programming
5X10 deficit sumo deadlifts go moderate stance sumo with 2-3 inch deficit, or go wide with 1 inch deficit. I want you to push your knees out, and sit back/down. You should be basically doing a wide/super wide stance squat below/at parallel with close to vertical tibias don’t let your hips rise early or you will lose the benefit of this
hamstring work 3X8 GHR, reverse hyper, NGHR, ect pull throughs, ect
AB work
back work something preferably something that uses the whole posterior chain

sumo deadlift 5/3/1 day:
sumo deadlift 5/3/1 programming
5X10 front squat/super wide squat I recommend going to a box if you do the squats since it is very easy to fall on your ass free squatting like this, and it is hard to go to/below parallel like this
hamstring/glute work
AB work
back work

whenever you stall swap to the other one. Arch back stiff legged deadlifts from the floor with whatever stance you use is also good as a supplemental (second big exercise) lift. If you really, really, suck with those deficit deadlifts I recommended you are probably doing them right.

This programming should get you stronger off the floor, and get your glutes/hamstrings up to par with everything else. It would be great if you try it, and tell me how it works for you after a while, but if not it is fine.

[quote]goodfellow90 wrote:
hey man, how’ve you been? i haven’t been on here much in a while, i just started posting my log again recently. I was also doing the 5/3/1 high frequency training back when you did it? From what I’ve seen in your log recently, you are back to using 5/3/1?[/quote]
yup, I hit 245 on bench and 385 on deadlift a while back. I’ve lost about 50 lbs since January, so hopefully once I can increase calories my strength will climb again lol

8/6/13
hoursomething of very light bike machine

8/7/13
sumo
135 5, 5
225 5
255 5
290 3
325 4
No belt or anything, I wanted to take it very easy today so I was surprised at how obnoxiously the last set was

BSS
bar 5x6
balance sucks - I’m gonna do lunges as I think I’ll just cheat once these get heavy
supersetted with
pinwheel curls 50 3x8 in hindsight too heavy
db curls idk 2x10ish

hanging leg raises 4x15

foam rolled and stretched 3x today

You lost 50lbs? Nice work man, that is epic. Do you have before and afters? —Amazing Transformation. 90 Days. 1 Weird Trick.

Thanks for the compliment and the ad hahah. I’ll post before and afters at the end of this month. : ) I’m excited to start upping the calories for once. It’s all forward from here.

8/8/13
military
some warmup sets
120 8
ss
cg neutral pullups
BW 5
+25 8, 8, 8 cheap PR

dips
BW 10
+60 5x10
ss
DB Rows
110 5x10 will do this one more week then will up the weight

8/9/13
1 hour slow bike machine, while playing Assassin’s Creed obviously

so the bike machine actually aggravates my knee a lot. Walking, jump roping and reverse sled drags will be upped then

I’m going to hit another cycle at the same weights starting today. Still going 100% beltless and wrist wrapless lol. I feel like I became overly dependent on those heavy EFS krait wraps, so I think this will help. I think I’ll scrap the BSS for light lunges. If those don’t feel good then I’ll probably just do leg presses or front squats. I just need to make progress on these basic lifts, nothing fancy.

8/11/13
front squat
160 8
180 3 did this just because 160 felt good. I need to stay on my heels. Even with oly shoes I get up on my toes

RDL
205 5x10 PR
not bad, will keep pushing the weight on these until my form breaks down. Should I be shoving my knees out on these as well, or is pushing my butt back all that’s needed?

8/12/13
bench
145 5
170 5
190 8
ss
db row 120 3x10 PR reps were clean even without straps for once

more bench
155 5x10
ss
extra wide pullups BW+big chain 5x6

bunch of laterals

8/13/13
set up the weights in the basement. The home gym is pretty awesome. Only thing missing is a rack, which honestly I can get by without at the moment.

8/14/13
deadlift
135 5
225 5
260 5
295 8 - not really a set because I waited so long.
today was beltless and conventional stance. I also tried out semi-sumo which felt good with oly shoes, but felt like ass without them lol. I’m going to deadlifting conventional/beltless for a while. Once I get it past 405 I’ll retest sumo. I’ve notice my conventional always lags behind my sumo, but that the best way to improve my sumo was to hit PRs on conventional and then “peak” the sumo pulls for a month. So I’ll do that, the whole sticking to what I suck thing

front squat
135 5x5
last three sets I was actually on my heels and pushing out my knees the whole time for once. From now on all squats must be like that. It feels like way less stress on my knees.

ab wheel
3x15 rest paused the last set

roman chair leg raises
3x15 rest paused the last set