Wow, sounds like it’s going very well. So right now you’re running just the IGF-lg3 and high dose test?
current cycle has changed some as i didnt like NPP, and i ran high dose test for about 8 weeks
now on
tren 1000mg
mast1000mg
dbol 100mg
anadrol 100mg
igf lr3 100mcg a day
TRT dose of test
Wow, that’s an awesome cycle. That’s a GOD stack, throw some epo in there and you’re all set, haha. What didn’t you like about NPP? Do you like Deca?
personally dont like deca or NPP didnt add anything on top of test and dbol when i was running both
yah i saw some joint support, but i get that from anadrol and dbol as well.
and id prefer no EPO not sure if that was a joke, but im sure my blood, hematocrit, RBC count is high as hell.
blood pressure steady 140-150/70-80, test only cycle typical 120-130/60-70
will be getting blood work in next 10-16 weeks after this heavy ass cycle
in the case of NPP it was much more effective size and strength wise to just add more dbol than to add NPP
plus deca dick is no joke, and made me feel pretty shit 2 weeks after i added NPP in.
its all about using compounds that work for you, and using them to combat sides of others for instance
mast is great with tren, not so much for hardening or muscle gain, but for mood boost, and its very underrated for aggression and strength
dbol helps sex drive, winny helps sex drive, dbol and winny both help mood problems associated with tren for me.
anadrol makes me feel pretty bad if only oral used, but with dbol added in ( AND A TON OF ARMIDEX) i have no anadrol sides at high doses,
and still get the best synergy of both worlds, and trust me what they say is true anadrol and dbol work great together and have great synergy.
in conclusion
tren-is base similar better base than test in my opionon 1.5-2x strength gains of test, great for fat loss, and muscle gain limits bloat
mast-great for mood boost, libido, and aggression, and have noticed great strength from mast aside from tren alone, good lBM gains and hardness
dbol-great for quick strength, joints, mood sex drive, size, but gotta watch gyno at high doses dbol is my favorite AAS overall.
anadrol-great addition on top of dbol and tren to really send the recovery and strength to a redicolous level
winny-great for balancing tren mood swings, and tren dick as well, VERY UNDERRATED for strength, but seems to limit gym time from joint pain thats defintly independent of the above listed
halotestin-very overrated for strength, dbol and anadrol are much better IMO in regards to strength. defintly hardens you up, and some moderate aggression, i woudl only use this as a perworkout for powerlifters only.
my cycle theory
base-tren, test-this is what gives you the most solid keepable gains long term, and is the foundation of the cycle
dht-for mood sex drive aggression-winny, mast are best i have not tried anavar,but friends swear great for strength, these i always include
since i found there usefullness in combating mood swings associated with AAS. MAST works well, but MAST+WINNY=me not even noticing any mood swings from 1000mg+ of trenbolone
another test base- some people like to add NPP, Deca, Equipose in this slot, it has not helped me better than just adding more of the base drug in my cycle, although i have no tried equipose. i can see an arguement for adding it in for extra hunger, tendon size ect. didnt notice any difference from Nandrolone myself.
strong oral-good quick strength and mass building, and CNS stimulation, quick to come quick to leave, stay on these long enough 12-16 weeks, and i believe the gains can be somewhat permenant. i have not been able to stay on longer than 4-6 weeks due to stomach issues, i have found simply taking a day off, or lowering dosage doesnt effect gains so much, but can help do to ability to keep taking orals.
dbol and anadrol are my favorite here DBOL being much more effective for me for whatever reason. I also enjoy the huge energy, mood boost, horniness ect. but the strength from DBOL is unmatched IMO and blows test out of the water
IGF lr3- this drug is a completely different animal, igf lr3 has leaned me up while gaining bloat, and eating like a cow, much faster acting than HGH, and quick results i love it. Also appears to help with strength. great synergy with tren, as tren not only increases igf, but makes your muscles more sensitive to igf hence the great synergy, i also believe all AAS do this to some degree.
Definitely an interesting read with my afternoon expresso. Thanks.
i may have missed it but how/when are you dosing your igf?
100mcg every morning regardless of workout day or not as i found it most effective because of nutrient partioning effects.
[quote]jasonneel wrote:
in the case of NPP it was much more effective size and strength wise to just add more dbol than to add NPP
plus deca dick is no joke, and made me feel pretty shit 2 weeks after i added NPP in.
its all about using compounds that work for you, and using them to combat sides of others for instance
mast is great with tren, not so much for hardening or muscle gain, but for mood boost, and its very underrated for aggression and strength
dbol helps sex drive, winny helps sex drive, dbol and winny both help mood problems associated with tren for me.
anadrol makes me feel pretty bad if only oral used, but with dbol added in ( AND A TON OF ARMIDEX) i have no anadrol sides at high doses,
and still get the best synergy of both worlds, and trust me what they say is true anadrol and dbol work great together and have great synergy.
in conclusion
tren-is base similar better base than test in my opionon 1.5-2x strength gains of test, great for fat loss, and muscle gain limits bloat
mast-great for mood boost, libido, and aggression, and have noticed great strength from mast aside from tren alone, good lBM gains and hardness
dbol-great for quick strength, joints, mood sex drive, size, but gotta watch gyno at high doses dbol is my favorite AAS overall.
anadrol-great addition on top of dbol and tren to really send the recovery and strength to a redicolous level
winny-great for balancing tren mood swings, and tren dick as well, VERY UNDERRATED for strength, but seems to limit gym time from joint pain thats defintly independent of the above listed
halotestin-very overrated for strength, dbol and anadrol are much better IMO in regards to strength. defintly hardens you up, and some moderate aggression, i woudl only use this as a perworkout for powerlifters only.
my cycle theory
base-tren, test-this is what gives you the most solid keepable gains long term, and is the foundation of the cycle
dht-for mood sex drive aggression-winny, mast are best i have not tried anavar,but friends swear great for strength, these i always include
since i found there usefullness in combating mood swings associated with AAS. MAST works well, but MAST+WINNY=me not even noticing any mood swings from 1000mg+ of trenbolone
another test base- some people like to add NPP, Deca, Equipose in this slot, it has not helped me better than just adding more of the base drug in my cycle, although i have no tried equipose. i can see an arguement for adding it in for extra hunger, tendon size ect. didnt notice any difference from Nandrolone myself.
strong oral-good quick strength and mass building, and CNS stimulation, quick to come quick to leave, stay on these long enough 12-16 weeks, and i believe the gains can be somewhat permenant. i have not been able to stay on longer than 4-6 weeks due to stomach issues, i have found simply taking a day off, or lowering dosage doesnt effect gains so much, but can help do to ability to keep taking orals.
dbol and anadrol are my favorite here DBOL being much more effective for me for whatever reason. I also enjoy the huge energy, mood boost, horniness ect. but the strength from DBOL is unmatched IMO and blows test out of the water
IGF lr3- this drug is a completely different animal, igf lr3 has leaned me up while gaining bloat, and eating like a cow, much faster acting than HGH, and quick results i love it. Also appears to help with strength. great synergy with tren, as tren not only increases igf, but makes your muscles more sensitive to igf hence the great synergy, i also believe all AAS do this to some degree.
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Great post, thank’s for sharing. Oh, and I would’nt touch EPO with a ten foot pool either, unless I was putting togther a post-apocalyptic “god stack” haha.
how were you using the Igf? pin sites specifically?
i am going subq in the stomach and my stomach is a pin cushion right now, as going in side love handles hurts like a BITCH. and i am not doing any more intramuscular as i am pinning 10+cc a week and that ant easy man.
also i have found a more linear relationship with tren than with test when it comes to sides and gains.
i went 500mg first cycle of tren, and eventually towards end got to 750,
next time around i ran it at a gram, without test, and a gram of masthardly noticed half the sides of 500mg tren from first cycle that i was running with a gram of test,
but this cycle is by far the best to date worked up to 1.5grams of tren that i ran last few weeks of last tren cycle, but at the start, so far so good in week 3, but cramps are starting to get me as this side is on that is tough to control no matter how much water i drink, but anger, insomnia, moodiness, tren dick, none of that yet at 1.5grams for first 3 weeks, and veins are starting to come on.
i either have a high tolerance for AAS or the drug synergy for mood , sex drive, and reduction in sides is working ,
as far as dosages or deminishing returns, i have found returns are alittle less say 1gram of tren to 1.5 grams, but not near as much as test seems to level off of the linear curve very quickly after 1-1.5 grams, as i have run 3 grams for extended period, and no such significant increases in strength, or size. tren on the other hand, id put like this 500mg, 1000mg, 1500mg , +5 pounds lean mass, +8pounds lean mass, +10 pounds lean mass, test more like this 500mg,1000mg,1500mg,3000mg, 5pounds lean mass, 6.5 pounds lean mass, 7.5pounds lean mass, 8 pounds lean mass
now these arent exact numbers, i have no measured to that degree, this is just showing how the ratios feel in regards to gains compared to different dosages.
i firmly believe the test levels off so quickly because of conversion to estrogen, or that at least in part has some factor in it, top it off that tren binds 5x as strong, and you get nothing but the tren, and you see why the linear curve is the way it is, tren simply has more potential, and is a much stronger androgen.
[quote]jasonneel wrote:
i am going subq in the stomach and my stomach is a pin cushion right now, as going in side love handles hurts like a BITCH. and i am not doing any more intramuscular as i am pinning 10+cc a week and that ant easy man. [/quote]
doing 10+cc per week. is that counting all the injections-AAS & IGF or just the IGF?
thats AAS
igf doesnt hurt at all
[quote]jasonneel wrote:
thats AAS
igf doesnt hurt at all[/quote]
i just finished a 14cc per week run… 8 weeks was about all my pin sites could take…
yah i switch between quad and glute only as deltoid hurts like hell every time, and other sites cant take the amoutn of oil, my quads and glutes handle 6cc at a time with moderate pain a couple days later.
DAY 60
starting to get tren veins here around 3 week mark
bumped up tren to 2grams a week and 2 grams a week of mast as well
am starting to get very tired from everyday task
blood pressure steady at 140-150 over 60-70 systolic high, but dialstolic good
cardio is going to shit, but i dont care, because mass gains are insane, so are strength gains on every lift
PR almost every workout, or every other workout.
i may lower orals, as i feel they may be making me fatigued as well
possibly take anadrol out, and switch with low dose of winstrol
Hey stop looking so big!! your making me feel self conscious 
DAY 63
i decided to keep rolling with it, and im starting to feel alittle better past few days, suprisingly good for a cycle of this magnitude
aggression is very high in gym as of recently highest its ever been, and im loving it.
day 64
back pumps unreal, get them when sitting up in class, or simpky walking to kitchen or tieng my shoe