Yes I searched the forums
No i didnt really find much info on the subject
Yes maybe I searched like a dumbass
Now to the questions
Who here take high doses of vitamin C
At what dose should it be set aproximately?
When is the best time to consume it? (I came across something like 500mg every 4hours but also came across “it really doesnt matter”)
Thx
Not 110% sure but i think i can remember a recommendation from Charles Poliquin to use it post workout to help lower either acidity or cortisol levels.
Again, not totally certain though. Maybe others will have different thoughts…? - Probably worth getting CT’s thoughts also…
I personally only take 500mg every morning with my multi, vitamin D, and fish oil. It’s a definite immune system booster so I’ll megadose (1-2g) when I’m feeling run down or sick.
I’ve read it’s smart to take pre/post-WO but honestly, it’s not going to make much of a difference in the whole scheme of things if your diet is dialed in.
Are we sure it’s good PWO?
I dont know why more people dont take higher doses of vitamin C. I always take 1 gram with breakfast (pre workout) then another gram an hour post workout. The other gram is taken before bed. I remember an old article in mm2k with a study showing it`s non toxic even up to 10 grams a day.
some back and forth on the pros and cons here if you’re interested: Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness
There are a few other threads too like this one for example (like those I pointed out in one of my posts on the above thread): Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION Strength Training, Bodybuilding & Online Supplement Store - T NATION
Dr. Pauling seemed to be fine even up to 18grams a day and lived to be 93.
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Dr. Pauling seemed to be fine even up to 18grams a day and lived to be 93.[/quote]
There is a ultrathon runner in his 80’s that still smokes and drinks every day, yet there was a 20something year old marathon runner with an great diet that died two years ago. People are 100% different in longevity.
If you are not drinking enough water, you will develop kidney stones. Not might, will.
There are studies showing that your vitamins have nothing to do with immune system. I’m skeptical of Vit C supplements. An orange or banana arguably has your Daily Value.
[quote]goose27 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
There are studies showing that your vitamins have nothing to do with immune system. I’m skeptical of Vit C supplements. An orange or banana arguably has your Daily Value.[/quote]
Yikes, so do you listen to the recommended doses the government suggests for your bodybuilding needs as well? Like 80 grams of protein a day or whatever they feel is optimal…
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Dr. Pauling seemed to be fine even up to 18grams a day and lived to be 93.[/quote]
Why don’t you go check out the recommendations of the respectable institution that bears his name, the Linus Pauling Institute, rather than base your theories on what some guy did decades ago, which was based on very weak science?
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
[quote]goose27 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
There are studies showing that your vitamins have nothing to do with immune system. I’m skeptical of Vit C supplements. An orange or banana arguably has your Daily Value.[/quote]
Yikes, so do you listen to the recommended doses the government suggests for your bodybuilding needs as well? Like 80 grams of protein a day or whatever they feel is optimal…[/quote]
There are both pros and cons to taking vitamin C supplements, and a lot of it has to do with how you take it, including how much and how you split your doses. Would you be surprised to find out that a little thought may have to be put into it? I think some is fine to take. Like I said above the Linus Pauling Inst. recommends 250 mg 2X daily.
Now I realize this recommendation is for the common person, and the LPI even mentions that individuals under strenuous physical exercise or cold weather, may experience some therapeutic benefit, but still, most athletes are NOT UNDER strenuous physical exercise on a regular basis.
For this reason I think continuous megadosing of Vit C is stupid, just as it would be stupid to continuously be under strenous physical exersise. Even elite athletes, which most on this forum are not, need frequent breaks from extreme training.
From the study which is in support of megadosing for athletes, “…routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for community use. But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments.”
Based on the cost benefit analysis of all vit C’s effects (from some of the research above for example), I don’t think vit C megadosing (>1 to 2 grams daily) is recommendable, especially not when taken in supplemental form, and or all at once. Perhaps brief periods of 1 or 2 grams is okay, but not for extended periods.
I just don’t see a point to do this long term and it’s potentially damaging to your health (again see the studies in the links I posted above), but some of you may see it another way.
If you can show evidence about megadosing contrary to what I’ve posted, then please provide it.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Dr. Pauling seemed to be fine even up to 18grams a day and lived to be 93.[/quote]
Why don’t you go check out the recommendations of the respectable institution that bears his name, the Linus Pauling Institute, rather than base your theories on what some guy did decades ago, which was based on very weak science?
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
[quote]goose27 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
There are studies showing that your vitamins have nothing to do with immune system. I’m skeptical of Vit C supplements. An orange or banana arguably has your Daily Value.[/quote]
Yikes, so do you listen to the recommended doses the government suggests for your bodybuilding needs as well? Like 80 grams of protein a day or whatever they feel is optimal…[/quote]
There are both pros and cons to taking vitamin C supplements, and a lot of it has to do with how you take it, including how much and how you split your doses. Would you be surprised to find out that a little thought may have to be put into it? I think some is fine to take. Like I said above the Linus Pauling Inst. recommends 250 mg 2X daily.
Now I realize this recommendation is for the common person, and the LPI even mentions that individuals under strenuous physical exercise or cold weather, may experience some therapeutic benefit, but still, most athletes are NOT UNDER strenuous physical exercise on a regular basis.
For this reason I think continuous megadosing of Vit C is stupid, just as it would be stupid to continuously be under strenous physical exersise. Even elite athletes, which most on this forum are not, need frequent breaks from extreme training.
From the study which is in support of megadosing for athletes, “…routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for community use. But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments.”
Based on the cost benefit analysis of all vit C’s effects (from some of the research above for example), I don’t think vit C megadosing (>1 to 2 grams daily) is recommendable, especially not when taken in supplemental form, and or all at once. Perhaps brief periods of 1 or 2 grams is okay, but not for extended periods.
I just don’t see a point to do this long term and it’s potentially damaging to your health (again see the studies in the links I posted above), but some of you may see it another way.
If you can show evidence about megadosing contrary to what I’ve posted, then please provide it.[/quote]
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I’ve taken Vit-C for the last 28 years. Study or not I feel it has helped to keep me pretty cold and flu free. I haven’t had as much as a slight cold for all those years. No kidney stones either. I found my daily doseage like this. Take “C” until urine turned seriously yellow. Yellow enough to turn the blue water green. Than I slowly backed of until I was pissing clear. I’ve always assumed that your body will rid itself of what it can’t use. I’ve stuck with that dosage or slightly less. Hasn’t killed me yet!
Some 15(?) years ago a Dr Julian Whitaker MD(I take his news letters) wrote about great sex for life. One of the things he talked about was 1000mg of C three times a day to keep veins, capillaries etc. clear, so blood can get to your penis so as to have erections.
I have done this(+) for all these years. At 66 years of age I had the Ultra Sound done on my neck arteries. I noticed the face of the operator, and asked what was going on, face did not look right. I was told that they had no idea why I was having this test, as they saw zero blockage. let me say that again ZERO BLOCKAGE.
Only a fool will argue against Vitamin C.
[quote]philipj wrote:
Some 15(?) years ago a Dr Julian Whitaker MD(I take his news letters) wrote about great sex for life. One of the things he talked about was 1000mg of C three times a day to keep veins, capillaries etc. clear, so blood can get to your penis so as to have erections.
I have done this(+) for all these years. At 66 years of age I had the Ultra Sound done on my neck arteries. I noticed the face of the operator, and asked what was going on, face did not look right. I was told that they had no idea why I was having this test, as they saw zero blockage. let me say that again ZERO BLOCKAGE.
Only a fool will argue against Vitamin C.[/quote]
What makes you think it was the Vit C that kept things clear? Many things can contribute to keeping the arteries clear such as, healthy diet, exercise, reduce or even stop your smoking habit, control of diabetes and cholesterol. Unless you don’t do any of these and only take vitamin C, It’s tough to claim that the Vit C was the cause for being clear of plaque.
[quote]philipj wrote:
Some 15(?) years ago a Dr Julian Whitaker MD(I take his news letters) wrote about great sex for life. One of the things he talked about was 1000mg of C three times a day to keep veins, capillaries etc. clear, so blood can get to your penis so as to have erections.
I have done this(+) for all these years. At 66 years of age I had the Ultra Sound done on my neck arteries. I noticed the face of the operator, and asked what was going on, face did not look right. I was told that they had no idea why I was having this test, as they saw zero blockage. let me say that again ZERO BLOCKAGE.
Only a fool will argue against Vitamin C.[/quote]
Agreed.
And bulletproof, who cares about scientific backing of what works? This is bodybuilding, not a science fair. Theres no scientific proof that tren works, yet the whole bodybuilding community knows this. As there is no need or motivation to proove what is good and what isn`t for bodybuilders, these are questions that are left to people with creative and innovative minds. Not some foo foo fitness institute… A Dan Duchaine comes mind. The guy studied in arts, yet was the biggest pionner the “sport” has ever come accross.
Id like to hear proffesor Xs views on this…
[quote]AzCats wrote:
[quote]philipj wrote:
Some 15(?) years ago a Dr Julian Whitaker MD(I take his news letters) wrote about great sex for life. One of the things he talked about was 1000mg of C three times a day to keep veins, capillaries etc. clear, so blood can get to your penis so as to have erections.
I have done this(+) for all these years. At 66 years of age I had the Ultra Sound done on my neck arteries. I noticed the face of the operator, and asked what was going on, face did not look right. I was told that they had no idea why I was having this test, as they saw zero blockage. let me say that again ZERO BLOCKAGE.
Only a fool will argue against Vitamin C.[/quote]
Off the top of my head comes a Finnish study that found that men with the lowest levels of C were at 2.4 times the risk of stroke than men with high or moderate levels of C. Why, the C was protecting the veins.
What makes you think it was the Vit C that kept things clear? Many things can contribute to keeping the arteries clear such as, healthy diet, exercise, reduce or even stop your smoking habit, control of diabetes and cholesterol. Unless you don’t do any of these and only take vitamin C, It’s tough to claim that the Vit C was the cause for being clear of plaque. [/quote]
[quote]ritch1 wrote:
And bulletproof, who cares about scientific backing of what works? This is bodybuilding, not a science fair. Theres no scientific proof that tren works, yet the whole bodybuilding community knows this. As there is no need or motivation to proove what is good and what isn`t for bodybuilders, these are questions that are left to people with creative and innovative minds. Not some foo foo fitness institute… A Dan Duchaine comes mind. The guy studied in arts, yet was the biggest pionner the “sport” has ever come accross.
Id like to hear proffesor Xs views on this…[/quote]
Tren is a perfect analogy. I’m saying that you MAY have to be careful with long term high doses of Vit C, tren, etc.
Heres what I’ve tried:
Gobble up vitamin C until you get the skithers.
the next day take a little less.
Works great!
I take a timed release version (500mg) daily.
Anybody else take a TR vit C/