Taking what I THINK is primobolan… 525 mg/wk pin e3d… im on my third week…
taking bloods soon to determine if I have EQ instead of primo… in any case… is this possible THIS soon?? (160/99) an hour after my work out… I had a lot of caffeine today but this is nothing new… unfortunately I dont have baseline BP levels to compare with… but theyre definitely not THAT high.
im gona do bloods… lay off caffeine… and check again in 48 hours… if still elevated… and signals point to test EQ instead of primo… I will weigh pros vs cons and maybe cut cycle short. Im half asleep and tripping out at how high these levels are so forgive me for the lack of information and how stupid this probably sounds im sure ill laugh at tthis tmw…
also what are your thoughts on EQ causing anxiety?
temporary high BP - how high is too high? What is considered temporary?
Is 3 weeks a normal point in time to see this side effect? Especially given the half lifes of the drug? about 5.5 for primo and i know EQ half life is somethin like 3 weeks … im kinda leaning towards the fact that it is EQ cause of how often the shit is counterfeited… id give the name of my lab but i feel like many may be pissed off if I do so ill leave that out of it.
ANY input is appreciated. Thank you.
Edit: i’m 95% sure this is EQ given all the symptoms… I think im cutting the cycle short … try and get a hold of some propionate and adex where if need be I can pull the plug on the cycle and have the drug out of my system asap. I cant rationalize this. I have not experienced headaches or nosebleeds which is a plus… but fuck me man the anxiety and high blood pressure is retarded. I guess I experience it worst than most.
Caffeine + PWO BP measurement? I’d say calm down for now.
UGL Primobolan and Anavar are about as rare as unicorns. That being said, even if it is EQ, the EQ specific side effects are highly overstated. EQ is mild, and alot of people run it really long term at high doses and love it.
Your BP is high because of PWO measurment + stimulant intake. All androgens will raise BP to a small extent, but let me assure you that 3 weeks of EQ is NOT causing a marked BP elevation.
I think a bigger worry would be if it was just long acting Test, are you running an AI? Don’t forget that E2 can raise BP and cause headaches as well. If you were running EQ solo you’d probably experience nothing at all at the 3 week mark.
I’m pretty sure your just panicking. Just relax and remeasure later, in the absence of stimulants.
Thanks a lot PTD, your words have calmed me more than you can imagine.
It was about 2 hours after my work out now that I think about it… I expected it to be elevated I just thought this was too much. It stayed elevated until now… I could feel pressure on my temples and eyes… anxiety can cause elevated BP so I was most likely panicking… I naturally do have some anxiety but never this bad. I want to wait till I calm down more before I take a new reading. And I need to do bloods to find out wtf it is im pinning in myself. No AI on hand but I can get one if need be. If anxiety does not subside I will be cutting cycle short. I will also be skipping todays dose just for peace of mind. If my BP readings tomorrow are relatively normal, I will pin as usual. Assuming this IS EQ, 1 day shouldnt make much of a difference. 2 of my buddies are on the same stuff and they appear to be fine so perhaps its all in my head. Everyones different though.
Edit: to anyone who cares, I just checked again about 20 hours later since last reading with no stimulants and I’m at 157/87… much better… but still elevated. I have no baseline levels… but about 6 months ago at a physical they were in normal range. I will check again tomorrow. If they are lower and I feel better I will pin again.
Alright… another reading im at 154/93 … too high for me. This is nearly 2 days no stimulants… a full 11 hours of sleep… no booze… no added stressors
Thoughts are that it is either:
A) Long acting test causing an elevation in E2 resulting in high BP
B) Test EQ causing anxiety resulting in elevated BP (I’ve been told many suffer anxiety from this drug)
C) I have hereditary high BP that will need to be dealt with …
i’m getting off starting pct in 2 weeks… considering maybe 2.5 or 3 given the potential that its the long acting T … I should have blood back by then to find this out though. I’ve only been on for 3 weeks… is it still necessary to run a full 40/40/20/20 with nolva? I feel this is over kill - but please, I’d love your input.
If you did not take baseline BP, how do you know this is from the gear? I agree with your decision to discontinue to be on the safe side, but a little bit of foresight could have avoided this situation entirely.
Just a thought:
Are you measuring your BP with a shitty ‘stick your arm in the hole and watch it get strangled’ machines they have at Fitness centres and Rexall’s?
For the ‘muscularly inclined’ these are horribly innacurate, and my vitals would indicate that my veins are full of syrup with a heart rate of 160bpm constantly, if I were even able to stuff my arm in there without losing it in the process.
Otherwise, are you on any other compounds that would cause this?
If you have no baseline BP, how do you feel? Headaches? Red hue to your skin? Do you turn red facially when exerting force? Any change in skin oil? Bacne/acne?
I’m still going to stick with the ‘calm down for now’ mantra, anxiety alone is plenty cause for high BP.
I have pressure on my temples on and off… no red hue to my skin… acne is same as its always been, and none on the back. Skin oil is definitely up a bit, but I wash my face 3x a day to keep the acne away… at least I have been for the last 3 weeks. I was using an at home monitor that most definitely does strangle the hell out of my arm haha… in any case I could literally watch the vein on my neck pump… and if I lie on my stomach I can also feel my heart beating stronger than usual. I am on no other compounds. Just what I thought was primo which was most likely EQ, and a pre work out with some caffeine and creatine it for the most part. I personally believe it was EQ causing anxiety… but its only speculation as of now. I just cant imagine 2.5 weeks of 525 mg a week causing any harm. I think my next cycle of choice will be 2 weekers with test prop… that way if this shit happens again I can just gtfo immediately. I will also do all the necessary tests before beginning… and quite obviously have an AI on hand.
PTD you’ve been more than helpful. Thanks again.
For any who are interested, I will post my BP readings next week to let you know how I am doing.
Do you have access to Nolva? Just run 20mgs for 2 weeks. Should be more than enough for only 3 weeks of HPTA suppression, if you decide to come off now.
As for your BP, I’m at a complete loss. It’s not like your running 1.5grams and an oral… You have no signs of high E2 or high RBC/hematocrit levels.
You could try ASA for a couple days, take it before bed. This is quite effective at lowering blood pressure, this is what I do whenever I’m taking Clen or Ephedrine+Caffeine, helps alot with both heart rate and blood pressure. Plus in the absence or orals, there won’t be any hepatoxicity issues.
BP is sittin at 155-160/85-90 at all times… still off the stuff… Assuming its hereditary Im gona get checked out in a week or so and weigh my options. Buddy of mine just did blood work and its lookin like its legit UGL primo which is kinda cool. But to clarify - if one was taking test EQ, would they show elevated T levels in their blood work? (Apologies if this is a dumb question)