High Bar Squat with Chuck Taylors?

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Squatting high bar doesn’t necessarily mean a more quad dominant squat or any more knee travel. You can even keep your shins perpendicular squatting high bar.

What the heel lift does is that it allows for a sharper ankle angle which also means the knee would be traveling over your foot more which means more stress on the quads and knees. Unless you sit way back in a heeled shoe in which case at least for me it will then take tension off my hams and hips and put more on my back. Almost like doing a GM with a heel lift.

Now if you try to get that ankle angle and you don’t have the flexibility, that’s just straight up really hard on your knees and back and leads to various compensation patterns along the entire movement chain.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Squatting high bar doesn’t necessarily mean a more quad dominant squat or any more knee travel. You can even keep your shins perpendicular squatting high bar.

What the heel lift does is that it allows for a sharper ankle angle which also means the knee would be traveling over your foot more which means more stress on the quads and knees. Unless you sit way back in a heeled shoe in which case at least for me it will then take tension off my hams and hips and put more on my back. Almost like doing a GM with a heel lift.

Now if you try to get that ankle angle and you don’t have the flexibility, that’s just straight up really hard on your knees and back and leads to various compensation patterns along the entire movement chain. [/quote]

How do you keep your shins perpendicular squatting high bar? Are you doing a powerlifting squat with a wide stance and sitting back instead of down? Isn’t that kind of risky since you would have to lean forward quit a bit to have the weight centered over your feet and risk your chest collapsing with the high bar? Low bar would give you better leverage.

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I am talking a sit way back wide stance squat. There’s actually less lean involved squatting like that high bar, but you do have to work harder to keep your thoracic and upper back from collapsing because of the increase in lever length. It’s only dangerous if you jump right into and use too much weight/volume to start. Personally, I don’t like it except for building hip drive and back strength from a box. Some will squat that way to take stress off the shoulders, elbows, and wrists but still be able to take advantage of the P-chain and hip drive. Some will to take stress off the lower back and some can’t do low bar because of the way the bar sits on their suit when they try low bar.

The truth is that there really aren’t any strict you have to do it this way type of squatting for PL. Some will practically use an Oly style squat to push up big weights. All powerlifting squat means is the kind of squat you can move the most weight with in a PL competition. It’s really more a of a spectrum for back squats and you see them all in PL competitions at least in single ply and raw lifting.

Narrow Stance WL Squat<---------->Ripptoe Type Squat (or any kind of ‘athletic squat’)<---------->Westside BB Style Squat

Of course there’s room for more squat variations within the sprectrum.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’ve just started to consider shoes myself. While I’ve never really thought about it before, despite hearing PLs and heavy squatter discuss footwear, lately I’ve noticed a bit of instability in my leg ankle. As front squats were my mainstay for so long, I think my post-surgery switch to back squats may have entailed a bit of biomechanical relearning.

I’ve always just worn cross trainers as they seemed fine for just about everything a BBer would need to do, pushing the heaviest weights possible was never my goal. Still, at times, I can feel my leg foot wanting to roll inward slightly. As long as I consciously press outward throughout the movement (which actually helps me keep hard tension on my quads anyway) I’m fine, it’s just odd to me that only one foot seems to have such a lagging stability.

Lately I was wondering if I might be better suited with either a shoe that provided more ankle support (high tops of some sort?) or a basic flat sole. And even being a bit rusty with the back squats, going ATG has never been a problem for me

S.[/quote]

Honestly, after squatting with high tops, I don’t think I’ll ever squat using regular shoes again. It makes the squats feel so much smoother and stable it’s amazing.

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[quote]Jnatural wrote:
There’s something wrong doing high bar squat with shoes like chuck taylor??
What’s the difference in comparison to high heel shoes? What’s the better choiche for knees health??[/quote]

I think squatting with these high heels are optimal:

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^ I agree. Her ass would touch the ground if it weren’t for those heels.

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That ass, /thread

I squat high bar in Chucks as well. I recently switched to them. At my old gym the owner just gave me a pair of really old shoes. The sole had a crack in it and all but they worked. They were NIKEs, but didn’t seem designed for running. Had a decently strong grip around the ankle, but due to tear and wear my weight could sometimes shift. No raise or anything.

When I switched gyms I wore my pair of NIKE frees the first day. I love these shoes for walking and running, but it was a fucking mess while squatting. Really, it only took me one day to walk out of that new gym and head straight to a shoe store.

Then I bought the chucks. While there isn’t a raise, the tightness and support really helped me. I can plant my feet down with a lot more strength. Especially great for deadlifts tho.

So, Chucks definitely aren’t BAD, but I bet you could squat heavier with a pair of weightlifting shoes.

I’m kind of holding off on them until I hit 4 plates and then I will give them to a present as myself. Even more expensive as I have to send them over seas because there is no god damn distributor in Japan.

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[quote]myself1992 wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’ve just started to consider shoes myself. While I’ve never really thought about it before, despite hearing PLs and heavy squatter discuss footwear, lately I’ve noticed a bit of instability in my leg ankle. As front squats were my mainstay for so long, I think my post-surgery switch to back squats may have entailed a bit of biomechanical relearning.

I’ve always just worn cross trainers as they seemed fine for just about everything a BBer would need to do, pushing the heaviest weights possible was never my goal. Still, at times, I can feel my leg foot wanting to roll inward slightly. As long as I consciously press outward throughout the movement (which actually helps me keep hard tension on my quads anyway) I’m fine, it’s just odd to me that only one foot seems to have such a lagging stability.

Lately I was wondering if I might be better suited with either a shoe that provided more ankle support (high tops of some sort?) or a basic flat sole. And even being a bit rusty with the back squats, going ATG has never been a problem for me

S.[/quote]

Honestly, after squatting with high tops, I don’t think I’ll ever squat using regular shoes again. It makes the squats feel so much smoother and stable it’s amazing.
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That’s what I was thinking initially, in terms of my tweaky ankle. I remember back in the late 90’s, everyone at the gym would squat in heavy duty workboots (and all sorts of "90’s hardcore apparel -lol). Accordingly, I did the same. I actually moved a lot more weight back then, but as it wasn’t getting me closer to my actual bodybuilding goals, I changed everything around.

Never really thought to go back to using boots or even hightops before. When I saw this thread, I started thinking more about how my feet were planted, considering that maybe that’s why I felt like I was going to subject my ankle to a bit of eversion when I was coming out of the hole.

S

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Hmm from personal experience isn’t ankle stability or lack thereof due more to the sole of the shoe? I get the unstable ankle feel when I squat in trainers due to how compressible the sole is. I weigh about 190lbs and when I squat 315 I can already feel the sole compressing quite a bit.

When I push it past 400 and really dig into the heels I can really feel the sole compressing. I notice after squatting in weightlifting shoes than switching back to trainers in the gym the sole feels very unstable almost like I’m walking on foam.

I’ve never tried boots or high tops but since the soles are less compressible it should provide better support and allows you to plant your feet better. The only issue I can think of wearing hightops is ankle mobility and how it would limit your ability to push your knees forward.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]myself1992 wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’ve just started to consider shoes myself. While I’ve never really thought about it before, despite hearing PLs and heavy squatter discuss footwear, lately I’ve noticed a bit of instability in my leg ankle. As front squats were my mainstay for so long, I think my post-surgery switch to back squats may have entailed a bit of biomechanical relearning.

I’ve always just worn cross trainers as they seemed fine for just about everything a BBer would need to do, pushing the heaviest weights possible was never my goal. Still, at times, I can feel my leg foot wanting to roll inward slightly. As long as I consciously press outward throughout the movement (which actually helps me keep hard tension on my quads anyway) I’m fine, it’s just odd to me that only one foot seems to have such a lagging stability.

Lately I was wondering if I might be better suited with either a shoe that provided more ankle support (high tops of some sort?) or a basic flat sole. And even being a bit rusty with the back squats, going ATG has never been a problem for me

S.[/quote]

Honestly, after squatting with high tops, I don’t think I’ll ever squat using regular shoes again. It makes the squats feel so much smoother and stable it’s amazing.
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That’s what I was thinking initially, in terms of my tweaky ankle. I remember back in the late 90’s, everyone at the gym would squat in heavy duty workboots (and all sorts of "90’s hardcore apparel -lol). Accordingly, I did the same. I actually moved a lot more weight back then, but as it wasn’t getting me closer to my actual bodybuilding goals, I changed everything around.

Never really thought to go back to using boots or even hightops before. When I saw this thread, I started thinking more about how my feet were planted, considering that maybe that’s why I felt like I was going to subject my ankle to a bit of eversion when I was coming out of the hole.

S[/quote]
Before using the high tops I would use New Balance minimus (kinda like the vibram 5 fingers) and those felt a lot more solid than any regular sneaker because your foot doesn’t have anywhere to move and the shoe itself doesn’t bend and get all out of shape when squatting if that makes sense. Then I tried the high tops and it was all I just said but even better. The ones I use have a tiny heel on them so it also makes it easier to squat

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Which is the cheaper oly lift shoe?