Novartis is a legit pharma company, and their logo looks like that. However, Novartis-Bio’s website does not seem to be affiliated with Novartis - there’s even a link for product authentication, which is something that NO legit pharma company does.
I’m definitely not saying that it’s not good quality. But I am saying that it does not appear to be pharmaceutical grade. As I understand it, there’s plenty of perfectly good UGL HGH available.
If something real exists the Chinese will make a knockoff of it before the day ends.
A quick search for the Anavar brand returns a pharma company (I don’t think we can mention names so I’ll keep it vague). I found one mention of it on a reputable forum and it has a few good “reviews”, mostly a few guys saying they “seem legit”.
It’s not real pharma though, it’s UGL with a pharma name and front. Their facebook’s last post is 2014 and their website (found on their own Facebook, not Google (different one)) is a single page of online casino ads in Chinese (seriously).
Personally I’d get it tested. I don’t know if I can mention the name here either but there’s a company that sells portable labs that are supposedly accurate, you can find it easily.
For the HGH I don’t know, but the .cn website doesn’t work (would be Chinese if it did, though), and the phrasing in “Intended intramuscular and subcutaneous injections to be dispensed only by or prescription of physician injections” doesn’t sound like correct English to me, more like a bad Google translate.
Also, if you Google the name of the company they make it sounds like they’re a division of the first part of the company name (without the “-Bio”, starts with “N…”), which is an actual $50 billion pharma company based in Switzerland. But they’re clearly not, it’s bullshit. If you look at their website, it’s a company in China pretending to be based in Switzerland (bullshit).
Their last facebook post is from 2018 with a bunch of bodybuilders pushing their HGH. The legit pharma company their name is derived from would never have a Facebook page like that for any of their divisions, no chance.
I’ve also never seen pharma GH listed in IU (or in this case UI (?)), usually it’s in MG.
I think there’s 0 chance it’s pharma GH. The packaging looks nice but that’s not hard to fake at all. It could be decent UGL GH, but again the fact that they’re pretending to be more than that would worry me. If you were legit UGL, you wouldn’t try to pretend you’re the HGH arm of a $50 billion Swiss company.
Btw, I have a friend who makes a lot of money selling on Amazon, and his job is basically to make junk look legit with great design, professional looking packaging, leaflets, etc…
It’s easy to mass produce this kind of professional looking packaging in a Chinese (especially) factory. Very, very easy. It means nothing. I try to remind myself often that “all that glitters is not gold”. It’s true for everything, including the countless doctors who “glitter” with their MD degree and don’t know shit about anything.
Thanks for all the research and post. I did the same before buying from this new source. My old source just quit shipping. Last email I got said something about the rona going around. I don’t know it was only a 400 dollar order. At 160 euros I thought the HGH was worth a try. Who goes to that much trouble for packaging if the product is bunk. Word would get out fast and where would they be.
I have no plans to have either tested I know what real anavar feels like. I am still thinking about the HGH.
NOTE: Growth hormone is measured in IU (international units) and mg (milligrams):
1 mg = 3 IU
1 IU = 0.33 mg
If you go to studhammers first post, the start of this thread, you will see he only talks in IU’s
I plan to follow his mixing and dosing instructions. I will take 1IU late evening just after dinner and measure my blood pressure to make sure I don’t have a iron_yuppie event.
I know about IU’s, what I meant was I’ve never seen that written on pharma grade boxes of GH, usually they write the concentration in MG’s. IU talk is typically bodybuilder talk. My doc just put me on GH and he was talking in MG’s, when I said “IU” he was like “huh?”.
The other thing is that they wrote “UI” instead of “IU” on the box. I’m from a country where we would say “unit international” instead of “international unit”, so I get it. But it’s weird because the rest of the writing is in English.
So to me all of this is an added red flag against the GH they sent you.
About “who would go through the trouble?”, you’d be surprised. It’s very cheap and not very complicated to make nice looking packaging.
And about “word would get out”, it doesn’t mean the GH is useless, but it could be 192 amino-acid chain, which is not bio-identical to human HGH. It could also (and most likely does) have lots of inpurities which could potentially cause serious health problems over time, or more water retention, stuff like that.
Making bio-identical GH requires very expensive equipment. No UGL can make legit GH in my opinion. I personally wouldn’t risk it.
I don’t know how much you paid for the Anavar, but compounded pharma Anavar isn’t that expensive and you get a prescription to go with it and guaranteed quality. Personally I think it’s worth it for the peace of mind.
There are certain things you can’t get a prescription for, and that’s when I’m ok turning to UGL’s if I can find a good source, test it, etc…but everything else I’ll go the pharma route if I can.
Some will think it’s overkill, but since I’m already doing something that has potential serious health complications, I don’t want to compound that with going UGL unless I really have to.
I can’t do any better job that the other guys did here.
You just have to try it and see.
Correct.
Personally, I would take this right before bed. Also, you may not feel anything on 1 IU, its not really even a maintenance dose. Try 2 in the beginning. As for @iron_yuppie, I’m pretty confident he is an anomaly and the BP reaction.
Thanks studhammer. I did the 1IU test to see if I would have any negative reaction to it since the group consensus is this is UGL made and not pharma. I agree with the group.
I got sleepy 45-60 minutes after my first injection.
BP before injection: Time and date are on the readout.
BP ~2 hour after injection: I will add I had 3 whiskeys during the 2 hours that might be why my BP went down. Anyway no I_Y event so tonight I will give 2ius a try at bedtime.
Thanks again for this How To Guide studhammer it helped me a lot.
From what I have heard on other forums, the Novas are supposed to be a good UGL HGH. Other brands have been compared to them in the threads I have seen.
You’re welcome.
I know you’re not a “more is better” guy like I tend to be but, in the case of GH and, especially at your age, I think you will benefit from even more as you go along (not to exceed 4iu/day). If even only for the quality of sleep and the recovery.
GH is short lived so its pretty forgivable in terms of impacts. If you have an issue at any dose, the next one can be adjusted in 24 hours.
Good luck
I wrapped up 2.5 - 3 ius a day about six to eight weeks ago now. I may order more and pick it back up after my next TRT blood work (I don’t like any compounds besides TRT prescription prior to bloods). I had some killer joint pain on HGH, anyone else? I’ve been off for a while and all joints back to normal. It wasn’t bad enough that I won’t dive back in, the fat shedding capabilities were incredible and worth the discomfort. In regards to testing, the product you buy is legal, can we use the name? I use it on everything UGL I get before I use.
Not joint pain but as I mentioned before, my carpal tunnel ramps up when I’m on but like you, its not enough to make me stop.
Hi dptfit, Does HGH mess with your bloods for TRT? I ask because I have a mini blood test coming up for lipids, A1C, TT, E2, and ferritin. My last blood consult kind of sucked and I was put on metformin for insulin resistance, and slightly over range blood glucose and my ferritin was crashed.
Night 3 and I am up to 3IU’s of HGH (that would be .99 mg for you on pharma grade HGH guys)
Last nights sleep was good. I had no blood pressure issues. I woke at 9Am refreshed and it was Saturday so I rolled over and gave the old lady the I need you signal and a shit shower and shave later I was screwing my ass off. Retired life is so good.
Legend. You give me hope for the future.
To really make your retirement work you need to be ready to pay for your wife to be on HRT as well. It really is not fair for you to feel 25 again and she feels and looks 60. It really is worth every penny. Boobs perk back up, everything gets wet down there and if you get the balance right she will come to you and ask for a roll in the sack.
For real? Teach me…
Username checks out?
The first step is to Buy your wife a blood test so she can see her female hormone levels.
Yes I’m aware. I’m interested in learning about what protocol your wife follows @studhammer? My wife has hormonal issues but she’s far too young IMO to need it for aging related decline. She’s had hers tested but as you know women are more difficult due to the phase timing of hormones in relationship to cycle. Nothing majorly abnormal for the wife.
