I’ve been trying to get in a good place with my TRT but after a couple of years it’s been hit or miss. I mentioned this to my endocrinologist and he suggested I go 100% HCG. He hasn’t really put a calculation to it but he said my dose could be about 3,000 per week. This sounds really high and I’m concerned about estradiol, I don’t want to trade one problem for another.
Has anyone tried HCG Mono-therapy, (raising T using HCG only) if so how was you libido, maintenance,labs, ED etc.
Not a good deal. E2 will be off the map. (At least it was for me) It actually did feel better than typical TRT with T Cyp but controlling E2 was impossible. I’ve actually had to go the opposite way. Every two weeks I use 250iu in one shot to avoid atrophy and that’s it. HCG causes my E2 to be unmanageable.
250 iu SC EOD is what you can try, then do lab work after a few weeks. If testes have shrunk, your labs will not be steady state until a while after they recover size and firmness.
High dose hCG can desensitize the LH receptors; that is damage.
With labs, test TT, FT and E2. If T is mid range and E2 is not high, you can try 400iu EOD and keep watching for E2 problems. When hCG leads to high T–>E2 inside the testes, anastrozole cannot reduce that source of E2.
Hi at lot of trt dr’s are reciprocating with 6-month testosterone and 6-month hcg…I wanted both in conjunction,but the endocrinologist who is super conservative like all specialist will only provide What’s called:Mono-Therapy? they claim it’s more manageable if side affect’s happen. As for an Al like arimedex they will argue that a man on 100mg’s 2xper week will not require it,as estrogen is a good thing to prevent osteoporosis,especially in non lifter’s.This is a true statement,but weight lifter’s have excellent bone density?? Hi can’t understand this philosopy,maybe one of you can.Regarding the hcg.The dr’s claim it’s expensive,why the fuck should it matter?i pay not nobody else.Also if your my age 54 the dr’s try to dissuade you as it’s for youger men and fertility. This is what leads men to the black market and potentially fake,or non sterile gear,or hgh that is actually hcg as they both are by eye similar??john
[quote]Thomtst wrote:
I’ve been trying to get in a good place with my TRT but after a couple of years it’s been hit or miss. I mentioned this to my endocrinologist and he suggested I go 100% HCG. He hasn’t really put a calculation to it but he said my dose could be about 3,000 per week. This sounds really high and I’m concerned about estradiol, I don’t want to trade one problem for another.
Has anyone tried HCG Mono-therapy, (raising T using HCG only) if so how was you libido, maintenance,labs, ED etc.
Thanks for the feed back! [/quote]
I was on HCG mono for about 6 months. I started out at 300 IU 2x per week, sub q injections. Worked my way up to 500 IU 3x per week.
In hindsight 500 IU 3x per week was too much. My Testosterone levels were elevated out of the range (both free and total), but so was my estradiol. I had a lot of estradiol side effects…i.e. gyno, water retention, moodiness. The doctor I was seeing wouldn’t prescribe an AI so I was stuck with the high E2. Any benefits I might have felt from the elevated T were negated by the elevated estradiol. I went off of it because I read about the possibility of leydig cell desensitization. From what I understand the chances of this happening are reduced when dosages are low.
If I was to do it again, I would do low dosages (100-200 IU) every day or every other day and see where my levels were at.
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I was on HCG mono for about 6 months. I started out at 300 IU 2x per week, sub q injections. Worked my way up to 500 IU 3x per week.
In hindsight 500 IU 3x per week was too much. My Testosterone levels were elevated out of the range (both free and total), but so was my estradiol. I had a lot of estradiol side effects…i.e. gyno, water retention, moodiness. The doctor I was seeing wouldn’t prescribe an AI so I was stuck with the high E2. Any benefits I might have felt from the elevated T were negated by the elevated estradiol. I went off of it because I read about the possibility of leydig cell desensitization. From what I understand the chances of this happening are reduced when dosages are low.
If I was to do it again, I would do low dosages (100-200 IU) every day or every other day and see where my levels were at.
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As per stickies: Anastrozole cannot control T–>E2 inside the testes. So that was never really an option. Desensitization is from doses that are too high, otherwise no different than your own LH. Too much LH can do the same, from high doses of SERM.
hCG works well if-when it works well Will not for everyone and not for age related hypogonadism.
[quote]johnny k53 wrote:
Hi at lot of trt dr’s are reciprocating with 6-month testosterone and 6-month hcg…I wanted both in conjunction,but the endocrinologist who is super conservative like all specialist will only provide What’s called:Mono-Therapy? they claim it’s more manageable if side affect’s happen. As for an Al like arimedex they will argue that a man on 100mg’s 2xper week will not require it,as estrogen is a good thing to prevent osteoporosis,especially in non lifter’s.This is a true statement,but weight lifter’s have excellent bone density?? Hi can’t understand this philosopy,maybe one of you can.Regarding the hcg.The dr’s claim it’s expensive,why the fuck should it matter?i pay not nobody else.Also if your my age 54 the dr’s try to dissuade you as it’s for youger men and fertility. This is what leads men to the black market and potentially fake,or non sterile gear,or hgh that is actually hcg as they both are by eye similar??john[/quote]
You are all over the fucking map! These issues are addressed fully in the stickies. BTW, bone loss and blood lipid problems are caused by low E2, not anastrozole it self. In a TRT context we modulate E2 to favorable levels that are found in young lean virile males. You need to understand thing better and not shoot your mouth off so I need to take a detour for you. Please take a journey of personal learning. ;}