He looks bigger in his shirt than Hershel, so what is your point?
Dorian is down to something like 200-210 now…
His current physique is no longer unattainable for natural trainees…
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
He looks bigger in his shirt than Hershel, so what is your point?
Dorian is down to something like 200-210 now…
His current physique is no longer unattainable for natural trainees…
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Amazing you had to write that, isn’t it?
Someone posts a touched up photo (ONE PICTURE) and everyone acts like no one can look like that without serious weight training.
Some of you may want to check your own perception if you can watch that video and think some of the crap that has been written in this thread.
OH NO!!! There is no way any guy can look like this without weights???
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Bigorexia and it’s implications are VERY real.
ProfX, you live in Biggoverse, and I’ve lived and trained among different athletes (for the most part, track/football and martial arts) for most of my life, and let me say: to imply Herschel looks like he trained “a little” with weights is completely absurd.
Nobody looks like this he trains “a little”. Most people train “a little”.
The vast majority of bodybuilders that won’t use steroids will never look like this.
Even dilligent, juicing bodybuilders don’t often look like that.
Not even Herrschel looks like this.
Yes: the picture on page #2 has been manipulated. (rather unprofessionally and ham handed)
And even though he looks like an inflated He-Man (except the quads) he’s still not big enough to look like he seriously pushes the iron?
Laughing myn Arsch off.
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Dude, I was bigger than him after lifting for two years. I am very sorry if you weren’t, but that doesn’t mean no one else can.
[quote]TrainerDude wrote:
Herschel Walker looks good for his age and I admire him greatly BUT COMMA I would beat his a$$ on stage just like he would beat mine on the mat. I’m 49.2 y/o with 17.5 inch arms (big deal) better quads and all-natural (lets’ not go there. you know what I mean)[/quote]
No I don’t know what you mean. Why even bring it up if you aren’t trying to implicate something?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.[/quote]
(here he’s rounding his shoulders completely again, hence the traps… Same technique used in a “crab”-style most muscular, which is pretty much what he did in his post-win-flex shot)
Just pointing out the obvious… This is the internet after all, and some moron is probably going to comment on this picture with “he looks totally like a bodybuilder there, look at his huge traps!”
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.[/quote]
I’m surprised you could admit that without discrediting someone esle or mentioning how big you are/how much you eat/how seriously you take lifting compared to everyone else.[/quote]
You focus way too much on me. It seems to be the majority of what you post about lately.
You may want to do something about that. I can refer you to some great psychiatric specialists.
Oh and I do apologize if I am not humble enough for you.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
[quote]studgorilla wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]studgorilla wrote:
All good points, Prof X. Thanks. I wasn’t trying to make a point. Just asking you, by your definition and criteria, would you put Herschel in the catagory of “looks like he lifts weights” or not? I’m not talking about the average, ignorant, pussy complaining about overtraining.
Or some sheltered suburbanite house-wife scared of too much protein. I’m simply asking you. What catagory does he fall into? I’d place him in the “looks like he lifts” catagory. I might be more generous with my definition than you, though.
Also, we know he doesn’t lift weights much. Incredible toughness, work ethic, genetics, discipline, desire… no doubt. But not weightlifter. So, I’m just curious of your opinion/definition> Nothing more than that. [/quote]
If I saw someone just like him in the gym, he would appear to me like someone who spent more time doing more aerobic activity than weight lifting, ie. clearly in shape but not carrying enough muscle for me to think he puts up any huge numbers at all in the weight room. So, yes, he would look like he lifted weights…a little.
I think I had at least matched his overall size (not current leanness) after a couple years of lifting…but that is just my opinion looking at old pictures.[/quote]
Thanks, Prof X. [/quote]
Why are so many people on this guy’s nuts like some kind of pussies ? You thanked the man 5 times already for posting you back ? Also the tone of your posts to him as if you’re afraid to say a wrong word like he’s gonna e-slap you. And this forum is called “testosterone”. FFS man up.[/quote]
Dude, I was just trying to be polite. Sarcasm, and irony can be lost on the internet. I was just asking the guy’s opinion, and I knew it could easily be misunderstood as a “smart-ass” question or an attempt to bait X into an arguement or a debate, when that was not the intent. PX is one of the few guys whose posts I do respect, even if my perspective is different. It’s ineresting that manners, and an effort not to be taken as a “smart-ass” or troll prompted you to think “pussy”. Interesting and ironic.
My point is that you guys display a habit of unrealistic categorization.
Clearly well build physiques (exempli gratia Herschel Walker) which are realistically very rare (<1%) are described as “lifts a little bit of weight”.
You XXL guys are what, “ok”, “of decent build” ?
Which leaves at least a big gap for the middle ground. And creates a lot of confusion in the heads of beginners.
This cannot be so hard to understand.
Being polite to anyone who has accomplished more than most is regarded as nut-riding on this site.
Elsewhere it’s called respect, but there is a certain type of poster (found here very often, unfortunately) who feels the need to be the rebel just for the sake of it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.[/quote]
I’m surprised you could admit that without discrediting someone esle or mentioning how big you are/how much you eat/how seriously you take lifting compared to everyone else.[/quote]
You focus way too much on me. It seems to be the majority of what you post about lately.
You may want to do something about that. I can refer you to some great psychiatric specialists.
Oh and I do apologize if I am not humble enough for you.[/quote]
Dude, you post so fast you beat the mods deleting my post. And, I honestly didn’t expect you to post anything like that. Honestly. Anyone who doesn’t give Walker his appropriate credit is exposing their obvious insecurities. NO ONE HERE looked/looks like that after two years of lifting. Stop kidding yourselves.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
My point is that you guys display a habit of unrealistic categorization.
Clearly well build physiques (exempli gratia Herschel Walker) which are realistically very rare (<1%) are described as “lifts a little bit of weight”.
You XXL guys are what, “ok”, “of decent build” ?
Which leaves at least a big gap for the middle ground. And creates a lot of confusion in the heads of beginners.
This cannot be so hard to understand.[/quote]
The only confusion…is when guys like you who may or may NOT have very good genetics jump into conversations where the parameters have been set around people who do have good genetics.
My genetics don’t suck. I had 18" arms in about 2 and half years of serious training DRUG FREE yet guys like you insist on forcing guys like me to acknowledge every half assed trainer in the gym.
No, YOU may not be able to look like that without drugs. YOU may not be able to even match that size after 10 years of weight lifting. Everyone isn’t made like you and Herschel Walker, while in great shape, isn’t that damned big to think he NEEDED regular weight training to look like that.
If you or anyone else ignored the actual video and just commented on a TOUCHED UP photo then it is YOUR perception that is off.
Bigorexia doesn’t have anything to do with this. Some of us have higher goals and KNOW we can reach them…and then there’s you.
Sorry to go off topic here, but did anyone see the other video on that page about Rip Torn? Something about old actors getting drunk and robbing banks is truly hilarious.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Being polite to anyone who has accomplished more than most is regarded as nut-riding on this site.
Elsewhere it’s called respect, but there is a certain type of poster (found here very often, unfortunately) who feels the need to be the rebel just for the sake of it.
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Mind you, they only rant about certain people.
For the record, You yourself should be applauded for how you type and the information you get across.
There, I’ll “nut-ride” too.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
My point is that you guys display a habit of unrealistic categorization.
Clearly well build physiques (exempli gratia Herschel Walker) which are realistically very rare (<1%) are described as “lifts a little bit of weight”.
You XXL guys are what, “ok”, “of decent build” ?
Which leaves at least a big gap for the middle ground. And creates a lot of confusion in the heads of beginners.
This cannot be so hard to understand.[/quote]
1% among the general population.
Among the population of people seriously training for physique enhancement (yes, drug free) and doing most things right…
How is that physique so special?
Train for a year or two at most with a sensible routine (no, not stronglifts), make the right kind of strength gains on 1-2 key-lifts per muscle-group (i.e. not just the big three), eat a proper bb diet… And then diet down.
There you go.
Hershel physique.
With bigger arms in relation to your height, to boot.
Have a look at smalltobig, one of the few people on this site who listened to us from the beginning… After 9 months from start to “finish”, he’s already surpassed or at the very least matched most of you in both size, strength and leanness. Imagine that.
If a few more of you guys would stop trying so hard to rebel against the system (or whatever) while championing the cause of mediocrity at the same time, maybe you could do that too and wouldn’t have to go on some sort of quasi-religious crusade over what amounts to a men’s health covermodel physique.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.[/quote]
I’m surprised you could admit that without discrediting someone esle or mentioning how big you are/how much you eat/how seriously you take lifting compared to everyone else.[/quote]
You focus way too much on me. It seems to be the majority of what you post about lately.
You may want to do something about that. I can refer you to some great psychiatric specialists.
Oh and I do apologize if I am not humble enough for you.[/quote]
Dude, you post so fast you beat the mods deleting my post. And, I honestly didn’t expect you to post anything like that. Honestly. Anyone who doesn’t give Walker his appropriate credit is exposing their obvious insecurities. NO ONE HERE looked/looks like that after two years of lifting. Stop kidding yourselves.[/quote]
Dude, the pics in my profile are after about 3 years of serious weight training. I didn’t take any pics before that other than school photos that show my physique but if you want to see how small I was as a high school freshmen, I can post that when I get home tonight.
Now, I doubt Herschel Walker has 18" arms in those photos…yet you think no one can do that in two years?
It is like some of you just WANT to believe that everyone is severely limited.
Casey Butt has a huge following, huh?
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
My point is that you guys display a habit of unrealistic categorization.
Clearly well build physiques (exempli gratia Herschel Walker) which are realistically very rare (<1%) are described as “lifts a little bit of weight”.
You XXL guys are what, “ok”, “of decent build” ?
Which leaves at least a big gap for the middle ground. And creates a lot of confusion in the heads of beginners.
This cannot be so hard to understand.[/quote]
1% among the general population.
Among the population of people seriously training for physique enhancement (yes, drug free) and doing most things right…
How is that physique so special?
Train for a year or two at most with a sensible routine (no, not stronglifts), make the right kind of strength gains on 1-2 key-lifts per muscle-group (i.e. not just the big three), eat a proper bb diet… And then diet down.
There you go.
Hershel physique.
With bigger arms in relation to your height, to boot.
Have a look at smalltobig, one of the few people on this site who listened to us from the beginning… After 9 months from start to “finish”, he’s already surpassed or at the very least matched most of you in both size, strength and leanness. Imagine that.
If a few more of you guys would stop trying so hard to rebel against the system (or whatever) while championing the cause of mediocrity at the same time, maybe you could do that too and wouldn’t have to go on some sort of quasi-religious crusade over what amounts to a men’s health covermodel physique.
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IMPOSSIBLE!! Didn’t you hear, no one can do that!!!
How DARE you imply that I should work harder!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope, he MUST have spent years under 400lbs bench presses to look like this!!!
Yes, I clearly have something wrong with MY perception.[/quote]
I’m surprised you could admit that without discrediting someone esle or mentioning how big you are/how much you eat/how seriously you take lifting compared to everyone else.[/quote]
You focus way too much on me. It seems to be the majority of what you post about lately.
You may want to do something about that. I can refer you to some great psychiatric specialists.
Oh and I do apologize if I am not humble enough for you.[/quote]
Dude, you post so fast you beat the mods deleting my post. And, I honestly didn’t expect you to post anything like that. Honestly. Anyone who doesn’t give Walker his appropriate credit is exposing their obvious insecurities. NO ONE HERE looked/looks like that after two years of lifting. Stop kidding yourselves.[/quote]
Dude, the pics in my profile are after about 3 years of serious weight training. I didn’t take any pics before that other than school photos that show my physique but if you want to see how small I was as a high school freshmen, I can post that when I get home tonight.
Now, I doubt Herschel Walker has 18" arms in those photos…yet you think no one can do that in two years?
It is like some of you just WANT to believe that everyone is severely limited.
Casey Butt has a huge following, huh?[/quote]
I hate to break it to you man, but you look big and smooth in your pics. Walker looks big and lean. There is a huge difference between ya’ll. You have an inflated view of yourself. You are a big guy, but if you got down to his level of bf% I doubt you’d be, or at least look much bigger.
I come back and guess what - this thread is even more ghey. I knew it was contagius.
HW’s got a nice physique. That’s great. But this is a bodybuilding forum and anyone who belives he got that mass from pushups and chinups is dilusional. Name anyone else - I mean ANYONE else that has a decent pysique from pushups. Go ahead - I’ll wait. Oh nobody, you sure? Check Men’s Health - anything?
Its cause its BS. People always want to find a way to avoid hardwork. It’s ok, you’re hardwired for it. Also, anyone of you can have a similar body for only $19.95. Randy Couture has a door thingy on the internet that you can buy.