Hernon Style Training

[quote]STFD23 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Exactly, Buzza. Although I still do DB presses every other delt workout, I focus primarily on lateral raises. I use a weight that lets me barely get the dumbbells up, then I fight like hell to hold them in place at the top, as they slowly descend. Next day, the DOMS are delicious in the side delts. :slight_smile:


By the way, on a side note, taking 3 days off has really helped my elbow and knee tendinitis. HOWEVER, the DOMS from returning to the routine are ferocious. I trained legs on Monday and today (Thursday) my quads, hams and calves are so sore I can barely walk. [/quote]

Try taking a monthly deload week.

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this has always intrigued meā€¦cruises/blastes in DC, one week off each 4 weeks in heavy Duty,almost any protocol gets his own ā€œsafety (JOINTS/cns) valveā€ā€¦
but instead of planning it before why donā€™t put it during the work, I mean;

ā€œlast tris training I pushed very hard, my tris are sore since then until now and my elbow hurts but my others muscles are sore but fineā€

what I did:
1/ avoid lock outs on de/inclined bench press and work pecs under constant tension
(ps; 8lb more on the barā€¦)
2/trained tris with less weight and higher reps(14/16),no lock outs, ; the goal was to force blood in the area as ligaments are not very blooded (if not trained) and to mantain muscular activity/size into the tris.

so iā€™m talking of ā€œcertain muscle (joint) deloading sessionā€; if my lats are ok and my pulldownz are coming up with load/reps why I have to stop to train it at all or train lighter ???

am I wrong? pls, feel free to trhow (post) potatos&eggsā€¦

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Exactly, Buzza. Although I still do DB presses every other delt workout, I focus primarily on lateral raises. I use a weight that lets me barely get the dumbbells up, then I fight like hell to hold them in place at the top, as they slowly descend. Next day, the DOMS are delicious in the side delts

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Iron,
do you use normal reps and hold to the top or just one rep and fight the gravity force until dead?
let me knowā€¦

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Exactly, Buzza. Although I still do DB presses every other delt workout, I focus primarily on lateral raises. I use a weight that lets me barely get the dumbbells up, then I fight like hell to hold them in place at the top, as they slowly descend. Next day, the DOMS are delicious in the side delts

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Iron,
do you use normal reps and hold to the top or just one rep and fight the gravity force until dead?
let me knowā€¦[/quote]

Buzz

I choose a weight that makes it hard to lift without a little body English. Then I hold at the top (if possible) and let the gravity take them down. I do this on every rep, not just the last ones.

I hope this is clear.

indeed.

Hey Buzza and DJSā€¦ howā€™re you guys coming along with the Hernon routine?

itā€™s not a Hernon 110% routine,I mixed up it with RP,basically I hit muscle group twice a week,first session is 5/3/1 rep range plus a second widowmaker set of 10/12reps, second sessions is on 8/4/3 plus same wm set,
monday; chest,bis,neck and abs (as sunday I have been at casting field and my legs,lower back,delt,traps are well tired),
tuesday; back and legs
wednesdnay; delts traps tris
Thursday;off (I run a supermarket and thsi is deloading day,looooong and very dynamic day)
Friday; like monday
SaturdaY; like tuesday plus rows
Sunday; casting field

legs are weight rained just once because of bad knees and because I walk a lot on work/mud casting field

pros;
-about 12lb heavier, 106.5kg now about 235ln, (belt closed at same hole bt,waist 48 EC/33 USA ),on 3 of juanuary I bought a cardigan and now it seems thighter on neck and chestā€¦my m8s of football team yesterday (1st season home game)told I look bigger :slight_smile:
-more load on the bar (increase on the bar on compound like bench,pulldownz etc is about 3,5lb each 10/15days for same reps),
-Iā€™m eating more (clean italian food) as Iā€™m very hungry (btw I never eat smallā€¦).

cons:
-as Modox wrote you have to go in the gym a little sore but during the warm up all is ok, soreness goes away and you can hit the iron 110%
-higher frequency (now 5xweek on a 3way split) puts some stress on my joints,as per bewhitewell tips Iā€™m just doing decline close grip bb bench press for my triceps and it works ; much less elbow paints and big tris soreness.
plus iā€™m taking cod liver oil every day and elbows/knees pain is very light, i can deal with it.
-on we I go to casting field and I feel sore,nothing of drammatic but have to do some adjustament on training the casting muscles (delts,tris,trap,core) because I get tired quicker with Hernonish routine.

well, dunno if what iā€™m doing is Hernon or RP or DCish but 1,5 cm more on the arms,same on neck,delts on mirror seem rounders and pec the sameā€¦also traps are bigger,did in the past very little traps shrugs but can manage now 300lb for 6 reps with neck tuckedā€¦

cons; my right elbow is on fire now, cod liver oil seems useless,my wrists started to give me a light pain during lateral dbs raises and incline press (not on decline),using a lighert load for close grip becnh press (tris)ā€¦
want to cut a litle off carbs as now iā€™m 108kg/239lb,anyway leaner than two years agoā€¦

Is anyone still using this method?

Iā€™m trying an A-B split of 6 days: 5 - 10 - 15
I started today, underestimated my starting weights a bit, but will build over time.

Example:

Decline Bench
Warm-up slightly different
132 x 8
176 x 5
220 x 3

Set 1. 242 x 12
2. 220 x 12

(Changed to Low Inc. DB Press)
3. 80ā€™s x 10

[quote]noctis wrote:
Is anyone still using this method?

Iā€™m trying an A-B split of 6 days: 5 - 10 - 15
I started today, underestimated my starting weights a bit, but will build over time.

Example:

Decline Bench
Warm-up slightly different
132 x 8
176 x 5
220 x 3

Set 1. 242 x 12
2. 220 x 12

(Changed to Low Inc. DB Press)
3. 80ā€™s x 10

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why are you using so high reps for first two sets?

[quote]buzza wrote:

[quote]noctis wrote:
Is anyone still using this method?

Iā€™m trying an A-B split of 6 days: 5 - 10 - 15
I started today, underestimated my starting weights a bit, but will build over time.

Example:

Decline Bench
Warm-up slightly different
132 x 8
176 x 5
220 x 3

Set 1. 242 x 12
2. 220 x 12

(Changed to Low Inc. DB Press)
3. 80ā€™s x 10

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why are you using so high reps for first two sets?
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underestimated a little bit, I thought I would start light and work into it over a couple of weeks to figure out weights etc.

this is all pretty new to me.