Hey man sorry if I was an ass. I’m just watching my back and my boy GDs. You can never be to safe… I retract my previous statement.
hey¬! i was not calling you anything!
i was just saying, this guy wasnt doing anything wrong in the end… and just trying to stop this snowballing into a mass flame on a misunderstanding - which happens often doesnt it.
no problem here… nothing to see here… keep moving on… thats it… jog on… thank… you… drop that… good lad…now walk away… our seperate ways… no hurt here… all good friends…
lol
gerdy,
the suggested plan of running a single compound for a minute to try out the your reactions is a good call,
if i may share, me personally i run test alone for a first go at around 250 mg e3d, man i was feeling great wk 3-6 at around wk 7 though my blood pressure was through the roof at work or during high stress times
now it might be due to the nature of the work i due…or the fact i was kinda of swapping between enan and cyp…doubt that though! more than likely i am going with i was getting a little too much on my first pop
[quote]hangiron wrote:
gerdy,
the suggested plan of running a single compound for a minute to try out the your reactions is a good call,
if i may share, me personally i run test alone for a first go at around 250 mg e3d, man i was feeling great wk 3-6 at around wk 7 though my blood pressure was through the roof at work or during high stress times
now it might be due to the nature of the work i due…or the fact i was kinda of swapping between enan and cyp…doubt that though! more than likely i am going with i was getting a little too much on my first pop[/quote]
point taken…don’t overdo a first cycle? 
thanks for the advice man!
as kind of an update with everybody. I am awaiting my stuff, the ancillaries are in, and so is the winni. The prop and mast should be in the mail soon.
I am however thinking of just running test/winni or just test mast. More than likely it will only be an 8 week run. I was liking the idea of altered’s split cycles, but I don’t think I will have the time to do that.
I’m back to the drawing board, but I think I will be running this cycle now instead:
weeks 1-8: test p 75mg/ed
weeks 4-9 (6weeks): winni 50mg/ed
adex started 2 weeks prior at .25mg eod and ran through cycle up to show.
pct will more than likely be the asin/toremefine/possibly clomid that devildog has talked about, I will get more clarification on this as I am researching now.
I will drop the prop 7-10 days out from the competition in hopes to get rid of any bloat that may occur. If no bloat occurs on cycle I might just run the prop up to the show.
any more thoughts and opinions…I will also have tren ace and mast diprop in the stable…but think those will be better used next time.
DG
Dunno about you, but if i had Tren Ace and Mast Prop on side AND i had a comp coming up - then i would struggle bad not to make the most of the advantages those SPECIFIC drugs give;
aggression, hardness, vascularity, grainite dryness… AGGRESSION!
[quote] Brook wrote:
Dunno about you, but if i had Tren Ace and Mast Prop on side AND i had a comp coming up - then i would struggle bad not to make the most of the advantages those SPECIFIC drugs give;
aggression, hardness, vascularity, grainite dryness… AGGRESSION!
:D[/quote]
well tren scares me a little, and remember this is my first go round too…lol
test/tren/mast could be a blast tho it seems 
lol
might be a future cycle…
DG
DG, you worried about hair loss at all? Finasteride may be something to consider looking into.
[quote]Thatguy1083 wrote:
DG, you worried about hair loss at all? Finasteride may be something to consider looking into.[/quote]
Yes I have been. I am actually planning on ordering some next pay period and starting it immediately. I understand that it should be taken up to 2 months prior to a cycle for it to work properly?
every male on my mom’s side is bald by 30, every male on my dads side keeps his hair…so idk…and my ears kinda stick out so going bald would make me look even funnier. lol jk!
thanks man…for the er avatar…i mean advice!
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
Dunno about you, but if i had Tren Ace and Mast Prop on side AND i had a comp coming up - then i would struggle bad not to make the most of the advantages those SPECIFIC drugs give;
aggression, hardness, vascularity, grainite dryness… AGGRESSION!
well tren scares me a little, and remember this is my first go round too…lol
test/tren/mast could be a blast tho it seems lol
might be a future cycle…
DG[/quote]
Test/tren/mast was originally supposed to be my 1st cycle, but I ditched the mast because of a) hair loss concerns from a couple of the guys I know who’ve used it and b) additional expense.
I’m still struggling to not go buy the mast anyway…I like the thought of the hardness and the additional ability to use it in the stasis/taper. Not to mention libido…
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Thatguy1083 wrote:
DG, you worried about hair loss at all? Finasteride may be something to consider looking into.
Yes I have been. I am actually planning on ordering some next pay period and starting it immediately. I understand that it should be taken up to 2 months prior to a cycle for it to work properly?
every male on my mom’s side is bald by 30, every male on my dads side keeps his hair…so idk…and my ears kinda stick out so going bald would make me look even funnier. lol jk!
thanks man…for the er avatar…i mean advice!
DG[/quote]
DG,
One thing you may want to remember for future use when going on tren or other non-test non-DHT analogs (whenever that happens to be) is that their effects on hair may not be DHT /5 aa derived, so supplementing with propecia might not help out much.
Obviously it will of course help out with test and DHT based action a lot.
One other thing to consider—Avodart is currently being investigated and seems to work very well for hair loss. It was shown in one study (the only study on the subject I know of, so I don’t know of any conflicting results) to work better than propecia at less than half the dose.
In addition Avodart inhibits BOTH of the isoforms of 5 aa, instead of just the one. This is probably a big reason for its effectiveness. That may also be something that could contribute to hairloss from AAS that propecia doesn’t protect from, I dunno (haven’t researched it, but it’s something to think about).
However, I don’t know of any other unknown effects it would have on a healthy male…they’re still running clinical trials. Nothing that I know of in way of serious side effects right now though.
So, if you can find some, Avodart could be the way to go.
For anyone interested, I have the abstract. I think I posted it a while ago, but I’ll post it up in anyone’s interested.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
Dunno about you, but if i had Tren Ace and Mast Prop on side AND i had a comp coming up - then i would struggle bad not to make the most of the advantages those SPECIFIC drugs give;
aggression, hardness, vascularity, grainite dryness… AGGRESSION!
well tren scares me a little, and remember this is my first go round too…lol
test/tren/mast could be a blast tho it seems lol
might be a future cycle…
DG
Test/tren/mast was originally supposed to be my 1st cycle, but I ditched the mast because of a) hair loss concerns from a couple of the guys I know who’ve used it and b) additional expense.
I’m still struggling to not go buy the mast anyway…I like the thought of the hardness and the additional ability to use it in the stasis/taper. Not to mention libido…[/quote]
tren’s side effects scare me more than hair loss from masteron personally. The fact that I don’t know how prolactin and progesterone work in the body and that nobody else seems to really know why tren can cause gyno is what scares me. With great power comes great responsibility with that drug imo…
thanks for the info on avodart, that seems pretty cool…i’ll look into it.
DG
[quote] Brook wrote:
I think the guy is right to be pissed… he wasnt asking for a source, he was making conversation - he wanted to know what you bought. I can see why that may be of interest to a AAS user, not to LE.
Tis true, forums can be a tough place as the wrong idea can snowball and totally ruin a posters rep before they manage to post anything of use! This is one of those situations. he did nothing wrong, it was a misunderstanding.
Fresh start needed.
Maybe make a post introducing yourself if you want to input stuff new lad.
End of Hijack! soz gerdo![/quote]
I called it how I saw it. I won’t apologize for that, but if he genuinely wants information I won’t fault him for that. It comes down to credibility. We’re talking about illegal substances here, so you can understand why I’d be jumpy.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Brook wrote:
I think the guy is right to be pissed… he wasnt asking for a source, he was making conversation - he wanted to know what you bought. I can see why that may be of interest to a AAS user, not to LE.
Tis true, forums can be a tough place as the wrong idea can snowball and totally ruin a posters rep before they manage to post anything of use! This is one of those situations. he did nothing wrong, it was a misunderstanding.
Fresh start needed.
Maybe make a post introducing yourself if you want to input stuff new lad.
End of Hijack! soz gerdo!
I called it how I saw it. I won’t apologize for that, but if he genuinely wants information I won’t fault him for that. It comes down to credibility. We’re talking about illegal substances here, so you can understand why I’d be jumpy.[/quote]
fictunal,and illegal substances.
have to remember no one uses these .we are all writing reseach papers and books .
"With great power comes great responsibility with that drug imo… "
a little OTT, no?
what else do you need to know to feel safe with tren? Shit, Drol’s effects arent totally understood either - the jury is still out on direct estradiol or progesterone stimulation!
And deca… how come some people get liquid spurting out their nipplez with 250mg a week, and some of us can use it till the cows come home (no connection to lactation reference) with zero issues like that?
Everyone is different Gerdo, and even if one person knew exactly the mechanisms why certain sides happened in another, no-one would know what is going on in you until you actually try the drug, and see what sides came, if any came at all - and if they do then what ancillaries are best in combatting those sides…!
(try Deca first maybe - that is a good tester, i dont have a problem with drol or deca, so prog induced gyno are not my main concern when it comes to using trenbolones - whereas killing some random twat is…! j/k)
I am NOT trying to talk you into doing tren gerdo. That isnt the point, and i hope it doesnt seem that way, i am just trying to make sure you are not choosing not to for the wrong reasons…
You are bright and well educated for a AAS first timer… excellently educated for a first timer actually… i bet the majority of us here were nowhere near as clued up as you, growing, makaveli, et al. are when we were about to cross that bridge to the use of performance chemicals (i didnt even know i was crossing a bridge, i thought it was a ‘holiday’)
I believe in using a low dose tren for my first time (god i sound like a virgin saying it like that “my first time”) - as it was how it was used in the past, although i suspect quality has dropped from parabolan days.
I mean deca these days is used in dosages of 4-600mg a week… it used to be 2-400mg a week if i recall correctly for the majority of beginner/intermediates, and i think i do.
So tren ace for 3 weeks starting 3 weeks before the show… at 150-250mg a week… mm-mm ya!
I would be interested to hear from thpose who have used trenbolone what they think would come from dosages of 150-250mg a week?
On the flip-side Gerdo, you may want to try a AAS that has as much ‘about it’ as tren does at a time when there is much less riding on your health or ability to perform.
Say some nasty side does present itself - sweating… or nasty oily spots… or tren dick where you cant satisfy one of the judges… ;p
J/K but the point remains, maybe practice with it first… as always i like to give as unbiased view as possible! Unless we are talking proviron.
as i said in PM - just do whatever P22 says to do!!
JJ
[quote]Nich wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Brook wrote:
I think the guy is right to be pissed… he wasnt asking for a source, he was making conversation - he wanted to know what you bought. I can see why that may be of interest to a AAS user, not to LE.
Tis true, forums can be a tough place as the wrong idea can snowball and totally ruin a posters rep before they manage to post anything of use! This is one of those situations. he did nothing wrong, it was a misunderstanding.
Fresh start needed.
Maybe make a post introducing yourself if you want to input stuff new lad.
End of Hijack! soz gerdo!
I called it how I saw it. I won’t apologize for that, but if he genuinely wants information I won’t fault him for that. It comes down to credibility. We’re talking about illegal substances here, so you can understand why I’d be jumpy.
fictunal,and illegal substances.
have to remember no one uses these .we are all writing reseach papers and books .[/quote]
Yes, exactly. Books.
Excuse me.
tren is wonderful,for me anyways.
I found my sweet spot as far as dose.
if i have too little I see nothing no difference at all just slightly darker urine. very slightly. but I drink so much water mine is almost clear anyways so if there is any metobolites in my urine it causes a change.
if I have too much then I get mild side effects,I havent tried a massive dose but these were night sweats.at night the a/c is on 89 degrees anyways so this may be caused by living in a damn dirt box.
aggression-not bad I just found myself being a little more annoyed with tings that bothered me anyways.
even though I drank 2 gallons water a day I felt thirsty all the time. lips were dry but not tha thorrible dehydrated feel just thirsty.
had no hunger at all- nothing bad just didnt feel like eating.
I bumped the dose down by 10mg a day and I lost all the sides which again were minor and I was being very paranoid with them.
I have a high bf% and when I take test alone I get bloat i gain about 8 pounds of water every time.
I gain an inch everywhere and my nipples look smooth but no signs of gyno which I am worried about with my bf as high as it is.
I started test only for 2 weeks last time and I had my normal bloating and hunger which I try keeping in check becuase I am cutting,I crave carbs like crazy on test alone.
I added tren ace into the mix after 2 weeks and I found that I lost the inch of bloating and I lost about 5 of the 8 pounds I had in water weight.
hunger was back down to normal and wasnt feeling starved all day for sweets and breads.
strength went up alot-not superhuman but I noticed that my 5 rep maxes turned into 8-10 rep sets.
also to combat the bloating and keep gyno away I was taking a higher dose of a’dex which was hell on my joints,specially the wrist which was rebuilt a few years ago and filled with osteoarthritis.
I think its the inflamation that is holding it together like an old rusty car.
with the tren in there I have less bloat and cut my AI does back and the joint pain from that side is gone.
I am taking such a small dose of tren tha tI really do not need caber for the prolactin sides but I have that ordered and on its way anyways just incase.
the tren kind of “wakes me up” I can hit the gym harder than without. Cardio is kind of bad but im fat,its bad anyway, I can jog at 6 mph for 20 mins and then I am dead anyway 30 mins is pushing it so I dont think someone in your shape would be effected that much in that department with a mild dose.
so far I am having good results with a short estered test/tren. max work load is up,I laugh ALOT more because I feel better. I havent lost weight even with a strict diet I hoveres around the same,but I have gained size in my arms,back thickness and legs,lost size in my waist,neck and chest.
hope my experience with it gives you a little more ammo to work with here.
and just out of interest, what is the dose you are using Nich?
[quote] Brook wrote:
and just out of interest, what is the dose you are using Nich?[/quote]
sorry I edited my post right before you asked
[quote]Nich wrote:
Brook wrote:
and just out of interest, what is the dose you are using Nich?
sorry I edited my post right before you asked
[/quote]
thanks - thats good stuff… i like you.
So you find that the aggression is directly related to dose then? Are you very tempted to increase to get the crazy strength etc… or is it not worth it for the aggro?
JJ
[quote] Brook wrote:
Nich wrote:
Brook wrote:
and just out of interest, what is the dose you are using Nich?
sorry I edited my post right before you asked
thanks - thats good stuff… i like you.
So you find that the aggression is directly related to dose then? Are you very tempted to increase to get the crazy strength etc… or is it not worth it for the aggro?
JJ[/quote]
I have had anger issues in the past.I have outgrown them but I have been called by more than one person as “unstable”
past that now with building cars and such that keeps me sane but for me the agression issues wasnt worth the strength .the strength was great but I found myself slipping back to the old me and I didnt like it.
I never went all the way back to being angry but I was getting “erked” a bit more with stupid stuff and when I bump the dose down on the androgens and I am more happy than aggravated.
someone mild mannered onth would do fine I think with the agression,just hit the weights more. I have a hard time controling my aggression though without a wrench in my hand and classic rock in the background.