Help With Switch to Dark Side

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Bastardboy wrote:
I just figured the 2x/week injection would keep a more ‘stable’ blood work.

Another guy in the thread “Titan Labs, Eco Oils, & PTC Oh My!” has been using the Mon/Thur split injection method of 500mg Test E per week, for 4 weeks and said it’s done nothing for him so far.

Whereas in my case, I did a lower dose of 450mg/week Test E, the whole lot in two shots every Monday. Also with a 30mg/day D-Bol kickstart from Mon-Fri (taking weekends off the gear)…and have had great results, which were really starting to kick in by week 3.

I weighed in at 78.8kg at start of cycle and by Week 7, am up to 85kg, with heaps of strength increase, moderate acne (which I’m combatting with antibiotics) and no signs of gyno or hair loss.

Perhaps you should try what I’ve been doing?

I keep going around in circles with the PCT. Proviron during the cycle but only after about 3weeks til end of cycle. Then Nolva at 40mg for 2weeks, 20mg for 2 weeks. IF symptoms during cycle then add in Nolva at 40mg day until disappear although proviron is weak AI anyway so hopefully not needed.

So where does clomid fit into it and would you think it necessary at all? Is it just a weaker alternative to nolva? (I am sure its a bit more complicated than that but for arguements sake…)

The only PCT i’m going to use is Clomid for 10-14 days, starting 2 weeks after the Test E wears off. Plus, perhaps, a taper off the Test during the last few weeks of cycle, which seems to be recommended on this board.

As far as PCT goes, according to RC’s website, as I’ve posted before,

“In most cases Clomid can normalize the testosterone level and the spermatogenesis (sperm development) within 10-14 days. For this reason Clomid is primarily taken after steroids are discontinued…As for the dosage, 50-100mg/day seems to be sufficient…The duration of intake should not exceed 10 to 14 days.”

I’ll just go by the supplier’s directions in that case. The only thing PCT is required for, IMO, is to bring your balls back online - i.e. normalize testosterone and sperm production by the testicles. So that’s where Clomid fits in.

Also, to my knowledge, Nolva or other anti-estrogens are mainly for combatting gyno, so in my case I feel I don’t need them because I don’t have a problem with it so far. I also do not bloat up much, and retain my hair pretty well. Added to the fact that taking Nolva concurrently with a cycle minimizes one’s gains to a slight degree. Other members can correct me if I’m wrong here or chime in with their views.

Anyway, I just keep dosages and concurrent drugs minimal and simple, to minimize sides and keep the gains maximal.[/quote]

Firstly, I think I better get back in contact with my ‘favourite farmer uncle’… after all, we haven’t talked in years… perhaps i can help with his cattle medication. :wink:

I had read the Titan Labs/Eco Oils et al. Post but two thoughts kinda jumped out at me. 1)The poster was questioning the legitimacy of the gear in the first place and 2)With no disrespect, poster appeared to be unsure of PCT yet had already begun cycle.

Both of these points kinda reduce the validity of comparing any results of this cycle…you with me?

I had considered the Dianabol kickstart HOWEVER, I really like the idea of introducing one compound and seeing my response to it therefore being able to track change to that particular drug as opposed to stacking and then not really knowing what results were coming from which drug…

call it the science geek in me but reduce the variables, increase the control. I also need to avoid the excess skin issues if possible and so figured i would skip dianabol for this cycle.

It’s great to hear about your experience though in terms of weight gained etc. as we appear to be at similar baselines. The PCT info helps too, I guess i will sort out what I will/won’t have access to and once i have that in my hand, then i will get my Test.

Shit, that raises another issue. I know we have great needle exchange programs down here and free syringes etc. BUT how does someone using gear get free syringes? Given I am a Melbournite, any ideas? If i have to, I am sure I can ask a nurse but, it’s hard to find one who can keep their mouth shut (insert the old ‘mouth wide open’ joke here).

Again, thanks to everyone chipping in info on this post. Sure there are plenty out there with similar questions.

The Bastardboy

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Tell you what Johnny, let’s go halves in this racehorse I know about, a real up & comer… i think its name is ‘Glue Gun’ or ‘Dog Food’… apparently it needs a heap of shots to get it up to track worthy but hey, sure there is an upside :wink:

The Bastardboy

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[quote]Bastardboy wrote:
Tell you what Johnny, let’s go halves in this racehorse I know about, a real up & comer… i think its name is ‘Glue Gun’ or ‘Dog Food’… apparently it needs a heap of shots to get it up to track worthy but hey, sure there is an upside :wink:

The Bastardboy[/quote]

LOL

Cattle, racehorses, no wonder they’re called STEER-oids. :wink:

I understand your views given that it’s your first cycle and you seem to be taking an intelligent approach to this all.

Obtaining needles in Australia is piss easy mate, just go to your local needle exchange, tell them what you want and they will give it to you for free by the boxload. It’s great! hehe. I didn’t have to go through the trouble of doing that because my source gave me boxes full of 50 of everything I needed.

Yeah, it may be daunting for you seeing as you have to show up and face the person at the counter. However it’s not a worry because it is a completely anonymous program - all they ask you is for your date of birth, postcode and what you’re using. You can give them fake details anyway.

I know you’ll probably feel like a junkie going to one of those places, but hey, it’s worth the hassle. If you still don’t want to do it, perhaps get a discreet friend/confidant to do it for you, or ask your source (if he’s a helpful one).

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:

Another guy in the thread “Titan Labs, Eco Oils, & PTC Oh My!” has been using the Mon/Thur split injection method of 500mg Test E per week, for 4 weeks and said it’s done nothing for him so far.

the stuff didnt work not because of my split injections but because of the stuff i was taking. it was bunk. i had test200 from Titan Labs and it didnt do a thing. I take split injections now simply because i have a stealth product and i dont want these big lumps in my legs like one of those northern biker cops. If you have enanthate there is no reason to do split injections but if you have a one of the others that has a shorter half life ive heard its great.

daveybaby.

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Yeah, it may be daunting for you seeing as you have to show up and face the person at the counter. However it’s not a worry because it is a completely anonymous program - all they ask you is for your date of birth, postcode and what you’re using. You can give them fake details anyway.

I know you’ll probably feel like a junkie going to one of those places, but hey, it’s worth the hassle. If you still don’t want to do it, perhaps get a discreet friend/confidant to do it for you, or ask your source (if he’s a helpful one).[/quote]

I usualy tell them my little sister is in 4H or the FFA and just say that im getting them for her. that seems to work alright.

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This may be obvious to some of you guys… but what’s a needle exchange :S?

3c1ipse

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[quote]3c1ipse wrote:
This may be obvious to some of you guys… but what’s a needle exchange :S?

3c1ipse[/quote]

It depends which country and state you’re living in I suppose. Some have them and some don’t. They are programs intended to stop the spread of infectious diseases through sharing/reusing needles, by providing a place where injectors (of all types) can obtain an unlimited supply of clean, sterile syringes, filters and injecting equipment. Thus reducing the likelihood of sharing. It’s most commonly used by heroin and speed addicts, but some steroid users pay them a visit too.

In Australia it’s a free anonymous public service. Just walk in, walk out with the equipment. Then bring back your used ones (in proper sealed canisters), and place the canisters into a large bin for safe disposal.

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btw daveybaby I think you have to fix up your quotes and replies. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
3c1ipse wrote:
This may be obvious to some of you guys… but what’s a needle exchange :S?

3c1ipse

It depends which country and state you’re living in I suppose. Some have them and some don’t. They are programs intended to stop the spread of infectious diseases through sharing/reusing needles, by providing a place where injectors (of all types) can obtain an unlimited supply of clean, sterile syringes, filters and injecting equipment. Thus reducing the likelihood of sharing. It’s most commonly used by heroin and speed addicts, but some steroid users pay them a visit too.

In Australia it’s a free anonymous public service. Just walk in, walk out with the equipment. Then bring back your used ones (in proper sealed canisters), and place the canisters into a large bin for safe disposal.[/quote]

Anyone else think it might be worth putting a thread that allows everyone to post needle exchange locations & any details? Sure there are a heap of people paying for them when they don’t need to (let alone just throwing their darts in the trash). It would be nice to have as easy access to this sort of info as the info on steroid profiles etc.

I’m no leader, it’s just a thought…

The Bastardboy

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in Australia it should be simple and easy enough to find and use the needle exchanges.

for those that prefer not to go there are online places like labratz that provide them to your doorstep

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OK members…

as you may or may not remember I had quite a few questions relating to first cycle and after getting a bunch of help from members the T-Nation members I decided to go away and see what i could organise.

I last left with queries re: PCT as greatest concern was due to reduced ability to access compounds. In my dream scenario I have since managed to find a medico willing to prescribe Nolva (unfortunately only at full price) and have now attained 60X 20mg tabs.

I have also collected just over 40darts, a box of alcohol swabs and safe disposal bin from needle exchange program.

The Test-E is on call and could be in my possession in 20min but figured why keep in house until necessary.

So here are my next questions people-

Doc was not willing to write a repeat prescription but is happy to prescribe more nolva (works with a lot of BB’ers and very open to nolva use) as long as I get blood work done there (sounds reasonable to me). Now I got the prescription by just saying I had gyno, so if I just leave it a month or two, then go back and get blood work done and say the symptoms are still there, I should be able to get another sixty 20mg tabs.

Seeing as I haven’t touched any AAS it should be a perfectly good blood profile…but does that mean he wouldn’t prescribe or you could still have gyno after blood levels return to normal? (he would test liver function, LH and FSH levels if i recall correctly).

Basically if i leave it 2months, can i go back & use the same line to get more?

Second question -

As previously discussed I am looking at running around 400mg/week Test-E cycle for 10weeks. Now given the Test-E I am buying is 75mg/ml including the ester, I think it works out at 54mg/ml test… so when people suggest 400mg are they using recommendation including ester or not?

I was looking at two 3ml shots per week which would be either 450mg with ester or 324mg without ester…so which is correct dosage?

Also, given I may only have 60 or 120 Nolva tabs… and that is ALL for PCT , what are thoughts on usage.

I clearly remember people saying that I should wait at LEAST two weeks to see if any sides arise before starting nolva and IF there were some, then 20mg per day during cycle would be fine. I also recall 4week PCt with two weeks at 40mg/day and 2weeks 20mg per day.

Any proposed PCT cycles considering I have access to 60 OR 120 tabs would be much appreciated.

I know this is a lot of questioning, but those who helped with my original post will be well aware I take this very seriously and want to do everything I can to maximise gains and minimise risks. I will not start until I have everything laid out in front of me and I am fully prepared.

Thanks,

The Bastardboy

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Hey Bastard, I see you’ve resurrected this old thread.

Okay, the only thing I can suggest if you have trouble getting a repeat prescription is to either obtain more Nolva from a local ‘non-pharmaceutical’ source (if you follow my drift), or get some PaperNolva.

I’m not sure about the other questions so I’ll leave it to the other guys to give their input.

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Apologies to all as I have accidentally re-posted this old thread. If you have any insight into the latest query, please feel free to post under thread

‘Help with switch to dark side Part II’

Thank you, and apologies again for my computer incompetence

The Bastardboy