Help Understanding Test Sustanon

Pharma / TRT
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I’ve been pretty open about my PED use so trust me when I say that I am asking for a friend.

I have a buddy that is about 35, maybe 5’9" was 161 pounds, a madman in the gym. I thought he was maybe 12% BF, pretty ripped. Two tours of Afghanistan.

He had a trainer, guy is jacked (the trainer), and is on PED’s. My buddy wanted to get on, we ended up having a conversation. His trainer suggested he do some DBols, so I schooled him as best I could - don’t do orals, do a straight up Test cycle, 500 mg a week, two injections, no AI unless you get sides, then nolva, and do a 40/40/20/20 PCT.

Twelve weeks later he’s 180 pounds, lifts went up, he got a little fluffy, mainly water, but had a great cycle.

Now his trainer wants him to do another cycle and is suggesting Test Sustanon, Deca, and Dbol and I am sick about how fucked up it is, but I am not familiar enough with Sustanon right now to present my objections properly.

My point is that you gained 19 pounds, lifts went up, got jacked on 500 mg of Test C for one cylcle - it worked great, no sides. Why would you change?

But his trainer, likely a dealer with a big inventory of Sust, is telling something else.

So, my request is for more information on Test Sustanon since I don’t understand it well - it seems like a blend of esters.

I’m not a fan of Deca, not a fan of orals.

Give me some ammo to convince this guy to not do this cycle please.

Edited to tag @iron_yuppie @flipcollar @hankthetank89

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I am on sustanon trt about 3 months now. Taking every 5 days 125 mg. I believe it is the best testesterone compound.

I don’t have ups and downs I think it provides steady amount of test into blood.

Haven’t done blood yet while on this new protocol but I will post hopefully when done

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Sus is a blend of four test esters, Testosterone Propionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate, Testosterone Isocaproate and Testosterone Decanoate. If Iron Yuppie we’re still around he would tell you he hates it. So do I. If you do end up having E2 issues it makes management more difficult. Plus you really need to pin around the shortest ester which means more sticking yourself without the full advantage of a completely short ester. Point being if running a shorter cycle use Test Prop… longer use Test C or E. Sus…. Not preferable for me but it will eventually reach steady state and it work. It just kind of fails at its intended purposes.

Not a study but good read to explain-

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Thanks for weighing in - you voiced my concerns that were coalescing but I could not actually put into words.

His trainer/coach, let’s call him Dick. Dick explained Sust to him as a blend of esters, which is true. Of course, my boy does not understand esters yet. Let’s call him Boy.

Dick tells Boy that Sustanon prevents the peaks and troughs of Test C because it has a blend that levels out test levels on a daily basis.

Of course, since I have been on HRT for years, have done my research, spoke to my own HRT doc about this, I know that we peak and trough every day when our HPTA is working properly. My HRT Doc explained to me that every 7 days creates a similar peak and trough that our body is used to, so it mimics the peaks and troughs and our body is used to that.

I have blasted, and I have cruised, so I kind of get it.

But the argument that Dick gave Boy that Sust levels it out did not resonate with me.

And for Dick to suggest Boy go on a Sust, Deca, DBol, and Winstrol for a second cycle just seemed extreme, especially considering how much success Boy had in his first cycle of just 500 mg of Test C.

Despite my five years of HRT, and a brief cycle with a stack of Tren and mast, never more than 500 mg a week, I feel it would be irresponsible for my Boy to go on a Sust/Deca/DBol/Winstrol cycle.

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I’m a fan of taking a reserved approach as well so IMO you may now add (1) additional compound. If you are not risk adverse with orals than say try Test/dbol. If you want to run the risk of ED and are ok with it say Test/Nandrolone. But one at a time so you can identify what’s problematic if severe s ide effects arise. There is also no harm in running test solo or increasing dose a bit for the first couple cycles.

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I am not a fan of orals because I am an alcoholic, in recovery. Trying to give my liver a break.

I think if you do not abuse substances, have a healthy liver, adding DBol is brilliant - I used them like a pre a post workout.

He has no concern with fertility, and I think blast and cruise might be okay with him.

He is a trippy dude, a stone cold killer. “Jimmy, we were in Kabul, rolled into this house with bad guys and popped five dudes. I love the sound of a round hitting those fucks. We searched the house, found a cave, bunch of porn. But that sound, when my round hits them in the chest, Jimmy, that is the fucking best.”

Yeah, he is in daily society, juicing, and quite possibly one of my best friends. Weird.

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Good reason sir. I’m not a fan either due to some other meds taxing my liver. But I used to love some dbol and even tbol. Never tried the real harsh orals but my days of this are mostly over. I just like discusssing as a hobby now.

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Lol, me too - I’m fitty eight, cruising on 125mg a week and cool, living through the Boy, which is a poor nomenclature for him.

He works for me, is an animal. Great guy. I’m not a fan of his plan, want to convince him to stand down and just do another cycle of 500mg of test and nothing else.

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Sust is fucking dumb. It has short esters, so you need to pin it frequently to limit the fluctuations. It has long esters, so you have to wait for those to clear if you are going to PCT.

Dick is probably just trying to push what he has. If you pin Test C/E more frequently, you get smoother peaks and valleys. Go to a site like steroidplanner<.com> and graph out Sustanon every 3.5 days and look at the ridiculously high peaks and valleys. Then look at cyp/enth every 3.5 days and see the smoother peaks and valleys. Then look at cyp/enth E3D, EOD, or every ED. If you are going to pin more frequently for smoother peaks and valleys anyway, and it sounds like he’s going to PCT, why not run something without the longer esters?

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Wait. What’s up with @iron_yuppie ? Didn’t know he left

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I’m no sure he left per say he just hasn’t logged in for a month now. Hope he returns!

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Preaching to the choir bruh.

Boy has his head spinning, wants to get jacked, not listening to me, listening to a dealer I think.

I told him, just do 500mg, nothing else, then keep nolva on hand, and he was like “ya, ya, ya.”

I was telling him do nolva 40/40/20/20 and today I find out he’s doing Arimidex for PCT.

I just walked away.

Now he wants to do Sust/Deca/Winstrol.

Fuck me.

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IMO, the sole purpose for Sustanon was to allow a testosterone therapy that required less frequent pinning. The four different decay half-life esters flattens the curve over approximately a two week period. If you are reasonably proficient with analytic geometry and you know the exact half-lives of all four esters and the strength of each, by adding the curves you could construct the total available testosterone through the two week period.

If you are trying to optimize available testosterone, just pick an ester and pin often enough to flatten the available testosterone curve. The shorter the ester half-life the more frequent the pinning.

Stacking another steroid also aids in flattening the available steroid curve. Daily orals (twice daily) is a very effective method of flattening the curve.

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This would be my argument. You run this until it doesn’t work anymore

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You are probably dealing with a man with good genetics to excel in bodybuilding.

Your buddy has a trainer who looks like he knows what he’s doing. It doesn’t make any difference whether he does or not. Your buddy’s eyes are telling him that the trainer does know.

Your buddy is fearless. Risk means next to nothing to him. Good luck getting him to consider your safety concerns.

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Thanks man.

I am in no way, shape, or form proficient in geometry, much less analytic geometry - is that even a thing?

I can tell what my commission would be if I was getting 5% of gross profit, my gross was 37% and my sale was $2,637, but I can’t draw a triangle. I have three graduate degrees, never took a math class in college.

This was my thought. My HRT doc told me peaks and troughs were good, it mimics the body’s natural production. I’ve been fine pinning Test C E7D - not sure making it flatter than that is worth pinning more often. Not sure the value of the blend that includes prop other than flattening a two week curve by including longer esters.

I’m a keep it simple stupid kind of cat. Sust seems to be a brand. I’m just a fan of Cyp I guess - time tested.

Thanks for the reply, very helpful.

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Based on your description of him, I’d wager a guess that Tren will come up soon

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I’m curious, why do people still desire Sustanon? It sounds like a mixed bag of sides with less consistent effectiveness.

If heard a number of people say “it is the strongest form of test” without any real explanation, and it always sounds like pure bro science. Especially considering it isn’t one ester.

Am i missing something, or am i right on the mark and its the bros touting sust that are missing something?

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My guess is that Sustanon was the strongest testosterone per ml at the time it hit the bodybuilding scene. If you hated pinning maybe it makes some sense for pinning every other week.

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We have had that conversation.

I added Tren to a stack a few years back, total of 500mg a week of Cyp, Mast, and Tren. It was not enjoyable. Luckily it was Tren A so I got off it in a week.