Hey everyone so I’ve been running a 8 week test c, tren, primo. The guy I’m getting it from wants to switch me to test e, dbol, wins during this cycle and run it for a few extra weeks. Does this sound okay? I’ve never switched compounds mid cycle before
Why do you tell us about “the guy” ? Either you do what the guy says or you dont. No point of the guy if you dont listen to him tho.
1 Like
Based on the extensive information you provided, I’d say your guy probably ran out of shit and is trying to peddle you whatever he has in his stockpile.
6 Likes
Sounds okay to me, but I may not agree with the dosage. The combinations of AAS’s are reasonable. I do like changing steroids mid-cycle and I often did so by design. Usually my latter half cycle was at slightly higher dosage.
My contest cycles were 12 weeks long and my mid-cycle was at 6 weeks. My total AAS mgs/wk seldom exceeded 500mg/wk.
Switching form Test C to Test E will not matter, but won’t help you much IMO.
When you say “wins” do you mean winny (winstrol)? I would avoid dbol and winstrol at the same time.
Your latter half of the cycle will likely not be as strong as the beginning half (depending on dosages). Usually people that switch it up, like the latter half to be stronger.
Okay awesome thanks everyone for responding and yes he did run out is reason for switching mid cycle. How does the dosage look to y’all?
Test e 250
Wins 100
Dbl 50
X week
This is about my 5th cycle and I’ve ran way higher dosages before but I’m trusting this guy lol
Are all these mgs/week?
Or are any of them mgs/day?
Is the Winstrol injectable? And thus dosage per week?
IMO, you don’t need that much dianabol per day. 20 to 30mg/day should be sufficient.
I think it’s a bad idea FWIW at least from the Primo aspect. That was the expensive compound and ideally is run for an extended period to milk the most out it. It’s a long acting ester / compound. The rest I could give a crap about especially if you were running Tren ace the first half instead of E.
They are all weekly and all injectable
Those would be what I would consider good
I just read through it again and wonder…
So if THE GUY ran out of stuff and wants you to buy different stuff… what is this topic good for? Like… what if everyone says you need to stay on same compounds. What then?
It looks to me you only have THE GUY and whatever he has you will have to use, right?
I think your sleuthing is spot on. Plus running test C and Tren for eight weeks isnt ideal… it’s too short even if that was the original plan. For primo… what a sin.
I have other connections I just have used his gear for the longest so I’m comfortable with it. The other companies I don’t know or trust to well so if I can stick with him I will
1 Like
I must be clueless about the nuances of the different steroids. I could never afford enough Primbolan to make it worthwhile, so I never used it. We thought it was only good for a hard diet deficit like peaking for a contest.
I changed mid-cycle to give my body a different steroid to attempt to down regulate. (or increased dosage)
Depending on the ester length and compound they have different ideal time lengths for running them. For example, bailing on Primo after 8 weeks is akin to jumping off the train 2/3 into your destinatIon. Sure you’ve gotten somewhere but not where you could have gone had you stayed the course.
To clarify when I say ideal… I mean for most and average responses. There is no one size fits all but most of us stall at some point at the same regimen. Let’s discuss one of the most common compounds Test C. Running it for eight weeks will yield gains but most can continue to make progress for at least 10-12 weeks. There is your sweet spot.
I just don’t get it. All the esters have their own half-life. To total the available steroid in your system, you algebraically add the the half-life curves for the Y-axis. The X-axis is time. If the Primo has a long half-life it will be in your system a longer time. Once you add the new steroids, the total amount in your system can be algebraically added likewise.
To me it is simply stacking steroids. They all work to varying degrees of effectiveness to help build muscle.
Agreed
I don’t know how to explain it any better without spending significant time on the subject. Let me ask you a question… by your understanding would you recommend taking one single 10mg dbol pill. I mean why not? By your logic it’s in your system for its specified half life or would this be an ineffective use of the product?
And as a reminder I never said it wouldn’t work, I stated …
Hopefully, I can learn something about Primobolan answering your question. Below are some of the “truths” that I have come to believe about AAS’s over the 3 decades that I took them:
- All anabolic steroids help to build muscle tissue, some better than others.
- Muscle growth is directly related to the amount of time the steroid is in your system and at what concentration.
- All steroids have a half-life decay curve once entering the body. That knowledge allows the person to decide at what frequency they will take the steroid to make the curve of available steroid as close to steady (flat) as is reasonable.
- Stacking steroids of different length of half-life decay curves aids in flattening the total steroid curve.
- Over time the steroid cell binding sites harden to accepting steroids. Then you can change the steroid or increase the dosage to attempt to lengthen the cycle. But there will always be a time at which diminishing returns takes hold.
- Excessive use of steroids is dangerous, be it either too heavy dosage or too lengthy cycle. This I look at from a risk:benefit assessment, knowing all use of steroids comes with a health risk.
Now to answer your question about the benefits of a single 10mg pill of Dianabol. The time of influence is too short to have a significant benefit to adding muscle, but it did help to add some, albeit very little. From my experience I noticed the benefits of 10mg of Dianabol per day in about 10 days after starting. My first cycles were 4 weeks. And yes, I missed the benefit of not lengthening the cycle to 8 weeks (which I think is optimal.)
Can you educate me as to what is so different about Primobolan that “requires” a lengthy cycle to reach its optimal benefit? When I was competing there was Primobolan acetate and Primobolan depot. Both were hard to get and very expensive to buy enough to build much muscle. Supposedly, Primobolan acetate is what the Pros were using for contest conditioning. I could have bought a few Primobolan depot vials, but heard it was vastly inferior to the acetate. We had heard acetate didn’t build much muscle, but allowed the competitor to retain muscle in a hard calorie deficit.
Sure I’ll do it when I’m back in front of a computer and not on tablet. I don’t find a lot of Primo Ace being used or sold as much as Depot so I made an assumption on that. Kind of drives me bonkers when people list compounds without esters or list dosages in volumes instead of mg.
1 Like